Conference Realignment thread

[Bruininthebay]

On 2/16/2024 at 10:59 AM, Motown Monty said:

TIER 1 (SEC and BIG TEN) SSS

Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington

TIER 2 (ACC -- Big 12) SS

Stanford, Cal, SMU, BYU, Colorado, ASU, Arizona, UCF, Houston, Utah, Cinc

TIER 3 (PAC 2.0)+ MWC $ 

Washington St., Oregon St. San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Hawai'i, Nevada, UNLV, Boise State, Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, 

Tier 4 - AAC , MAC, Sun Belt, CUSA -$  (Schools playing for the fifth conference champion auto qualifier once a decade)

 

Fixed it for you. I don't think UCLA has the kind of influence to keep SDSU out if U$C wanted the Aztecs in but I'm pretty sure that if U$C wanted the Aztecs UCLA couldn't stop it.

imho OSU and WSU have actual media value but it wasn't equal to a full share of Pac 12 revenue distribution.  The current MW has been on the increase over the past few media contracts so the combination with OSU and WSU will further distinguish the MW from tier 4 except east coast bias will cause the 'Group of 5' term to persist

[Motown Monty]

On 2/19/2024 at 10:22 AM, Bruininthebay said:

Fixed it for you. I don't think UCLA has the kind of influence to keep SDSU out if U$C wanted the Aztecs in but I'm pretty sure that if U$C wanted the Aztecs UCLA couldn't stop it.

imho OSU and WSU have actual media value but it wasn't equal to a full share of Pac 12 revenue distribution.  The current MW has been on the increase over the past few media contracts so the combination with OSU and WSU will further distinguish the MW from tier 4 except east coast bias will cause the 'Group of 5' term to persist

 

 you accidentally deleted part of what I said, and tried to make it solely about TV contract money.  that was not what I posted.

My ranking was not just about TV money (a wash) but also prestige (academic prestige, and top of the conference power programs).

 

Here is my first sentence:

" i was thinking about how the latest round of expansion really identified the actual value and prestige of certain P5 schools.  Here are the schools that reclassified to new conferences."

 

[Bruininthebay]

On 2/19/2024 at 10:14 AM, RSF said:

you seem to be the only one who doesn't think the clock is ticking on the ACC.  Stanford and Cal were desperate.

I think Florida State has no where to go but independence and that doesn't put a ticking clock on the ACC.  I seriously doubt Florida State wants to play in the Big 12, which would accept them and the games with Oklahoma State would be great. 

The SEC doesn't want Florida State so unless there is a combination of ten to twelve schools in the Big 12, ACC, AAC, Sun Belt, MAC and CUSA that is more valuable than the current ACC the whole thing doesn't work.  The SEC also doesn't want Clemson and at least Clemson knows this because their relationship with South Carolina is SO bad consistently.

I could see a combo of Florida State with Big 12 members Cinci, Houston, West Virginia and UCF along with Univ South Florida and Memphis plus Louisville and Pitt as about equal in overall media value but it would be a face saving move for the Seminoles while it would just be more geographically convenient for the other schools.

Cal has a lot of potential improvement now that pro sports are no longer based in the East Bay because it's so much more convenient to get off 80 in Berkeley than to drive to San Jose or into the City from Sacramento and the North Bay.  The ACC's quality basketball should particularly appeal in Northern California based on the history of east bay fans supporting really bad Warriors teams for decades.

[Bruininthebay]

On 2/19/2024 at 10:22 AM, Bruininthebay said:

  On 2/16/2024 at 10:59 AM, Motown Monty said:

TIER 1 (SEC and BIG TEN) SSS

Texas*, Oklahoma, USC*, UCLA*, Oregon*, Washington*

TIER 2 (ACC -- Big 12) SS

Stanford*, Cal*, Utah*, Colorado*, ASU*, Arizona*, UCF, Houston,  Cinci, SMU, BYU

TIER 3 (PAC 2.0)+ MWC $ 

Washington St., Oregon St. San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Hawai'i, Nevada, UNLV, Boise State, Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, 

Tier 4 - AAC , MAC, Sun Belt, CUSA -$  (Schools playing for the fifth conference champion auto qualifier once a decade)

except Army, Navy, Tulane* and Rice*

I put asterisks next to the AAU members.  Happy now?

[RSF]

On 2/19/2024 at 12:37 PM, Bruininthebay said:

I think Florida State has no where to go but independence and that doesn't put a ticking clock on the ACC.  I seriously doubt Florida State wants to play in the Big 12, which would accept them and the games with Oklahoma State would be great. 

The SEC doesn't want Florida State so unless there is a combination of ten to twelve schools in the Big 12, ACC, AAC, Sun Belt, MAC and CUSA that is more valuable than the current ACC the whole thing doesn't work.  The SEC also doesn't want Clemson and at least Clemson knows this because their relationship with South Carolina is SO bad consistently.

I could see a combo of Florida State with Big 12 members Cinci, Houston, West Virginia and UCF along with Univ South Florida plus Boston College, Louisville and Pitt as about equal in overall media value but it would be a face saving move for the Seminoles while it would just be more geographically convenient for the other schools.

Cal has a lot of potential improvement now that pro sports are no longer based in the East Bay because it's so much more convenient to get off 80 in Berkeley than to drive to San Jose or into the City from Sacramento and the North Bay.  The ACC's quality basketball should particularly appeal in Northern California based on the history of local fans supporting really bad Warriors teams for decades.

I didnt say how long it will be ticking.  Personally, I think they'll end up having to wait out the ACC contract.  And when that happens, they won't need to go independent.  Yes, the SEC will want them.  And they'll want Clemson too.  The rules have changed - it used to be about the conference networks and having each state covered.  Now, it's about having all the big name schools.  And, FWIW, FSU wouldnt be suing if they didnt have some inkling that there's a landing spot for them.  That's how the game is played.  And quite frankly, that FSU combo is laughable.  They'd be better off keeping the ACC together.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 2/15/2024 at 8:13 PM, utenation said:

I was wrong

[Bruininthebay]

On 2/19/2024 at 10:50 AM, RSF said:

FSU wouldnt be suing if they didnt have some inkling that there's a landing spot for them

I've read the Florida State complaint against the ACC and while I'm not licensed in Florida, I can tell that is a complaint intended for an audience other than the other party and the court itself. 

Notre Dame's long term intentions are the one thing affecting the long term health of the ACC.  If the Irish decide to join the Big East in 2035ish things might get interesting but Florida State isn't able to make the SEC interested on their own.

There is speculation Clemson wants to join the SEC sure but South Carolina will prevent that from happening just like Florida will prevent Florida State from joining the SEC.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 2/16/2024 at 1:59 PM, Motown Monty said:

I was thinking about how the latest round of expansion really identified the actual value and prestige of certain P5 schools.  Here are the schools that reclassified to new conferences.

TIER 1 (SEC and BIG TEN)

Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington

 

TIER 2 (ACC -- similar to the BIG12, but higher academic status, and some elite schools)

Stanford, Cal, SMU

(some current schools in this conference making moves to move to Tier 1)

 

TIER 3 (BIG12 -- close parity, but no true elite schools)

UCF, Houston, Utah, Cinci, BYU, Colorado, ASU, Arizona

 

TIER 4 (PAC 2.0) / MWC (above the rest of the G5)

Washington St., Oregon St.

Switch tier 2 and 3 since academics don’t matter in the least and nobody wanted those schools you added to the acc.  Agree that 4 schools will move to tier 1 from OG acc eventually though.

[RSF]

On 2/19/2024 at 1:02 PM, Bruininthebay said:

I've read the Florida State complaint against the ACC and while I'm not licensed in Florida, I can tell that is a complaint intended for an audience other than the other party and the court itself. 

Notre Dame's long term intentions are the one thing affecting the long term health of the ACC.  If the Irish decide to join the Big East in 2035ish things might get interesting but Florida State isn't able to make the SEC interested on their own.

There is speculation Clemson wants to join the SEC sure but South Carolina will prevent that from happening just like Florida will prevent Florida State from joining the SEC.

That concept died when Texas joined the SEC.  Nobody's got veto power anymore (if they ever actually did).  And FSU wouldnt be the only school on the SEC's menu.

 

ND has nothing to do with this.  They will join the BE if/when the ACC craters.  Not the other way around.  This is about TV money and the GOR.  And ND is less concerned about that.

[masterfrog]

ACC gave up on the academic superiority when they took Louisville. 

[Gonzagafan2021]

On 2/19/2024 at 2:47 PM, masterfrog said:

ACC gave up on the academic superiority when they took Louisville. 

Yeah then they would've taken Uconn instead of Louisville.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 2/19/2024 at 2:47 PM, masterfrog said:

ACC gave up on the academic superiority when they took Louisville. 

As did big 10 when they took Nebraska.

[RSF]

On 2/19/2024 at 3:30 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

As did big 10 when they took Nebraska.

No.  Their academics didn't suddenly suck.  The AAU changed their metrics.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 2/19/2024 at 4:59 PM, RSF said:

No.  Their academics didn't suddenly suck.  The AAU changed their metrics.

Or..their academics always sucked if it didn’t involve agricultural research.. it’s easier to get in (and out of) there than it is TCU, which is really saying something.

[AztecAlien]

On 2/19/2024 at 12:47 PM, masterfrog said:

ACC gave up on the academic superiority when they took Louisville. 

But they have on campus brothels, which is nice. 

 

[RSF]

On 2/19/2024 at 5:38 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Or..their academics always sucked if it didn’t involve agricultural research.. it’s easier to get in (and out of) there than it is TCU, which is really saying something.

Ah academic smack from a school where you can get in if you can spell your name correctly on the application.

[Billings]

On 2/19/2024 at 3:38 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Or..their academics always sucked if it didn’t involve agricultural research.. it’s easier to get in (and out of) there than it is TCU, which is really saying something.

or a MED school.  One of the top med schools in the nation for primary care at UN..    nah you are way off

[Headbutt]

On 2/19/2024 at 3:30 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

As did big 10 when they took Nebraska.

Just when I thought wooshie couldn't get any dumber, then we see a whole new level.  It isn't bad enough that they gave him a full box of crayons for graduating from UCF, he had to go and eat the whole box at once.

[utgrizfan]

Looks like there is a chance that FSU plus a few more schools may be able to get out of the ACC before 2025. Article talks about how a settlement is most likely between the 2 parties as losing would be devastating to FSU (stuck in the ACC + Fines) or to the ACC (GOR broken, flood gates open).

https://www.on3.com/news/florida-state-acc-negotiation-to-set-up-next-round-of-realignment/

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 2/19/2024 at 8:41 PM, RSF said:

Ah academic smack from a school where you can get in if you can spell your name correctly on the application.

No research before posting, tcu move.