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On 2/13/2024 at 2:00 PM, RSF said:

Wonder how complicated the process of handing him a box and taking away his ID is...

To extrapolate from the article, during the final year of Larry Scott's contract, the Pac-12 basically paid him 55% more than the SEC is paying Greg Sankey this year. It is also well known that Scott's leased digs in a SF highrise were considerably more expensive than Sankey's SEC office. It's nothing short of shocking how incompetently the Pac presidents and chancellors managed the conference once they hired Scott.

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On 2/12/2024 at 10:54 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

Every time this topic comes up I find myself desperately wishing that Hawaii could find some way to be invited into the MWC as a full member.

While the Big West is the best option for most of our non-football sports, my favorite sport is basketball and I would love to see Hawaii playing top-level competition again.  I know we haven't done anything over the past half-dozen years to show we deserve it, but I was attending games in the Stan Sheriff Center back when our home conference schedule featured former WAC opponents like New Mexico, San Diego State, Fresno State, Nevada and UNLV, and crowds of 8,000 to 10,000 for big games were the norm.  Moreover thanks to our strength of schedule and ability to recruit higher-level talent, we were able to line up non-conference home games with teams like Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State and North Carolina, and not only compete with them but sometimes beat them.  It was an amazing big-time college basketball experience and it's a shame we couldn't hold onto it.

Oh well, who knows, maybe we'll have a coaching change after this season and start winning some Big West championships, and that will open the door to a potential reunion with our old WAC rivals.

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Was the higher quality recruiting and scheduling moreso because of being in the WAC, or because of Riley Wallace? Or - option #3 - could also be because it was a different time.

 Jerry Pimm's first year at UCSB ('83-'84) Houston with Hakeem Olajuwon came to the Thunderdome. Over the next decade power schools like Ohio State, NC State, Oregon State, Texas, Kansas State and Colorado gave us home games and we won a fair share of those.  

In the 2000s with Bob Williams we hosted Stanford, USC and BYU a couple times. North Carolina, Oregon State and Cal once. 

Joe Pasternack?  Uhhh, let's not go there with the scheduling. His recruiting is nice though.

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On 2/13/2024 at 6:46 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

Was the higher quality recruiting and scheduling moreso because of being in the WAC, or because of Riley Wallace? Or - option #3 - could also be because it was a different time.

 Jerry Pimm's first year at UCSB ('83-'84) Houston with Hakeem Olajuwon came to the Thunderdome. Over the next decade power schools like Ohio State, NC State, Oregon State, Texas, Kansas State and Colorado gave us home games and we won a fair share of those.  

In the 2000s with Bob Williams we hosted Stanford, USC and BYU a couple times. North Carolina, Oregon State and Cal once. 

Joe Pasternack?  Uhhh, let's not go there with the scheduling. His recruiting is nice though.

 

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On 2/13/2024 at 7:39 PM, RSF said:

A few things stand out to me:

-WSU and OSU want to continue to receive the Power level 5-6 Million per school even after the current Contract is up in 2 years, in addition to Voting rights.

-The request would be considered null and void if they get into a Power Conference.

-Doesn't look like a for sure thing it will pass as the PAC2 could still torpedo it if they don't get what they want, at the same time admit they can't overplay their hand.

Taking this into account even I'm beginning to doubt a bit if the PAC2 will end up in the MWC, they seem hellbent on avoiding that fate.

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On 2/12/2024 at 3:44 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

If it's any consolation to you, I also like indulging in a bit of nostalgia. And likewise, the glory days in the old Big West - which included several members who now call the MWC home - are also dead and gone.  We're never getting UNLV back. 

Be careful what you wish for. Over the last 20 years, the Debs have been playing at a BW level.

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On 2/13/2024 at 7:01 AM, NorCalCoug said:

SDSU no doubt had a dream run last year. But my question for you is, were you in a coma the last 10+ years? The Mountain West conference has not even remotely performed like a power conference in the postseason.  One dream season and run for SDSU does not change the overall picture here for the MWC as a whole.  If all it took was one team then the WCC has been a power conference for 10 years as Gonzaga has matched and even sustained far more success than SDSU.

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On 2/14/2024 at 3:07 AM, utgrizfan said:

A few things stand out to me:

-WSU and OSU want to continue to receive the Power level 5-6 Million per school even after the current Contract is up in 2 years, in addition to Voting rights.

-The request would be considered null and void if they get into a Power Conference.

-Doesn't look like a for sure thing it will pass as the PAC2 could still torpedo it if they don't get what they want, at the same time admit they can't overplay their hand.

Taking this into account even I'm beginning to doubt a bit if the PAC2 will end up in the MWC, they seem hellbent on avoiding that fate.

What do you expect them to request? For the sake of their survival they have to ask for that.  They won’t get it of course, and there’s enough votes for the change in format regardless of the old PAC, the board has delayed the vote as a courtesy for them to iron out their finances but the time has come to finish it.

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On 2/14/2024 at 10:42 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

You just did.

What wrong w/the BIG West Board, that has you lurking here?

 

 

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On 2/14/2024 at 2:55 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

What do you expect them to request? For the sake of their survival they have to ask for that.  They won’t get it of course, and there’s enough votes for the change in format regardless of the old PAC, the board has delayed the vote as a courtesy for them to iron out their finances but the time has come to finish it.

For 2024 (and 2025, I think), they need unanimity.  So if the PAC votes against it, that's enough to prevent the 5/7 from happening.

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On 2/14/2024 at 2:27 PM, Pelado said:

For 2024 (and 2025, I think), they need unanimity.  So if the PAC votes against it, that's enough to prevent the 5/7 from happening.

If it’s true for ‘24 then it must be for ‘25 since they’re in the same bargaining agreement.  Honestly I’d rather see two more years of 6+6 than the leftover 2 get money they don’t earn.  

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On 2/14/2024 at 8:42 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

You just did.

What wrong w/the BIG West Board, that has you lurking here?

 

I'm sure almost nobody here cares, but FWIW, the BWC board administrator insists on having six separate forums to cover men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, volleyball, soccer, and other sports.  It no doubt helps him keep things neatly organized, but IMHO it prevents the emergence of a genuinely engaged and active fan community.  There just aren't enough BWC fans reading and posting in each separate forum to make them worth visiting regularly.

We're fortunate that here on the MWC board everything is in one place and anyone with an interest in the conference can easily read about, post about, and interact on a variety of topics.  The Hawaii board is the same way and that place is hopping most of the year.

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On 2/14/2024 at 12:03 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

If it’s true for ‘24 then it must be for ‘25 since they’re in the same bargaining agreement.  Honestly I’d rather see two more years of 6+6 than the leftover 2 get money they don’t earn.  

Why would the PAC 2 not get the money if they stay 6+6.  

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On 2/14/2024 at 4:29 PM, Billings said:

Why would the PAC 2 not get the money if they stay 6+6.  

Because at 6+6 the top 6 conference champions wouldn’t include a two team PAC, therefore they wouldn’t get money.  More importantly it would ensure 2 g5 conferences a seat in the first (and second) expanded playoffs which is going to go a long way in determining who can dominate the access spot moving forward, much like what the aac did in the 4-team era.  These next two years are very important for traditional g5 conferences, having two spots is a major advantage for them.

Why pay the two team pac money they don’t earn and cut out a g5 and potential for parity at the same time?

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On 2/14/2024 at 10:26 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Because at 6+6 the top 6 conference champions wouldn’t include a two team PAC, therefore they wouldn’t get money.  More importantly it would ensure 2 g5 conferences a seat in the first (and second) expanded playoffs which is going to go a long way in determining who can dominate the access spot moving forward, much like what the aac did in the 4-team era.  These next two years are very important for traditional g5 conferences, having two spots is a major advantage for them.

Why pay the two team pac money they don’t earn and cut out a g5 and potential for parity at the same time?

The 6+6 wouldn't exclude the two team Pac.  The first six bids go to the highest ranked conference champions.  If OSU wins the Pac2 and is higher ranked than four other conference champions, they are in.  If they go 5+7 and OSU wins the MWC (for example) and is one of the 5 highest ranked conference champions, they are also in.  All the current format guarantees is a specific payout for each of the P5 conferences.  Why would USC, et. al. bailing disqualify the remaining Pac teams from receiving a previously contracted payout?

BTW.  In the 6+6 or 5+7 the G5 is ensured only one spot in the playoffs.  That part will not change.

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On 2/15/2024 at 1:01 AM, Headbutt said:

The 6+6 wouldn't exclude the two team Pac.  The first six bids go to the highest ranked conference champions.  If OSU wins the Pac2 and is higher ranked than four other conference champions, they are in.  If they go 5+7 and OSU wins the MWC (for example) and is one of the 5 highest ranked conference champions, they are also in.  All the current format guarantees is a specific payout for each of the P5 conferences.  Why would USC, et. al. bailing disqualify the remaining Pac teams from receiving a previously contracted payout?

BTW.  In the 6+6 or 5+7 the G5 is ensured only one spot in the playoffs.  That part will not change.

The two team pac will not qualify for the playoffs except for an at large bid.  Even if the NCAA recognized them as being eligible (they don’t) the playoff committee will not allow that to happen.  It’s not happening to them whether it’s 5+7 or 6+6.  They are essentially asking for a subsidy in exchange for allowing another power conference to get an at large bid.  Since the other power conferences already want that, there’s no reason to cut the leftover 2 in.  They’re trying to maximize leverage in a situation where all they have is squeezing the current deal, which expires after next season.  

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