Conference Realignment thread

[RamSack]

On 2/8/2024 at 3:00 PM, alum93 said:

How do you get more exclusion from a 12 team playoff, 1 of which at a minimum will be a G5 team, versus a 4 team playoff with no G5 teams?  

It’s way too complicated to explain to people who went to an inferior school. You should’ve went to WSU… signed Idiot-ozz

[Headbutt]

On 2/8/2024 at 9:29 AM, Chalsean said:

Well if you don't want to bring Seattle and Pullman only has 30k at best, then you don't bring much to the media table for MWC.

Also keep politics on the other board please, not everyone wants to talk politics every nano-second of their life.

Please do not discourage Ozzy from posting.  Entertainment dollars are at a premium right now, and he definitely comes on the cheap.

More Ozzy!!

More beer!!

[EvilPoke]

Athletic story - basically confirms that W/OSU is looking for a P-4 spot first, but the reverse merger is the likely resolution.

https://theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/

[utenation]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:06 PM, Pelado said:

The restraining order is still in effect?

Yes.
 

I got in trouble for pleading over and over to local lawmakers that a 40 foot high wall must be built between Provo and SL county with armed guards at the toll gate. 
 

The issue was I-15 getting slowed down to a stop affecting out of state commerce and getting to the West Coast. 
 

I did get 30 million signatures though. So not a total loss. 

[Kirbycreekpoke]

On 2/9/2024 at 10:01 AM, utenation said:

Yes.
 

I got in trouble for pleading over and over to local lawmakers that a 40 foot high wall must be built between Provo and SL county with armed guards at the toll gate. 
 

The issue was I-15 getting slowed down to a stop affecting out of state commerce and getting to the West Coast. 
 

I did get 30 million signatures though. So not a total loss. 

There is no way to stop the “white shirted name taggers” they are called the Borg for a reason. 

[Billings]

On 2/9/2024 at 5:36 AM, EvilPoke said:

Athletic story - basically confirms that W/OSU is looking for a P-4 spot first, but the reverse merger is the likely resolution.

https://theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/

Bummer Paywall.  Makes sense though.  They are using the leverage as a P5 voting member to try to force an invite to a P4.  They are blocking the CFP move to go to the 5+7 model

[RSF]

The contract, executed on Dec. 1, says that from the moment of its effective date, the schools will “negotiate in good faith the consummation, as promptly as reasonably practicable, of a definitive transaction pursuant to which all MWC Member Institutions join Pac-12 as Pac-12 member institutions with no MWC Exit Fee payable by any MWC Member Institution to MWC. The invitations, if made, would be effective as of the 2025-2026 NCAA season or the 2026-2027 NCAA season.”

[818SUDSFan]

On 2/9/2024 at 10:15 AM, Billings said:

Bummer Paywall.  Makes sense though.  They are using the leverage as a P5 voting member to try to force an invite to a P4.  They are blocking the CFP move to go to the 5+7 model

Well, I subscribe and the thing I found significant was this: Oregon State's AD finally admitted that the twins' goal is to be offered membership in a P4 conference (read Big 12) or, if that doesn't happen, to re-form the Pac-12, and if neither of those is feasible, to consider some kind of merger with the MWC.

There must be at least 50 comments to the article and since I have no life, I read them all. About a dozen of the commenters seem to think that if the twins play their cards right, they could have enough money to basically buy their way into the B12. Numbers bore me so I didn't bother assessing the logic of those comments and I'll leave it to utenation, NorCal, etc. to opine whether the twins could actually make the B12 an offer that conference couldn't refuse.

[Billings]

On 2/9/2024 at 10:48 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

Well, I subscribe and the thing I found significant was this: Oregon State's AD finally admitted that the twins' goal is to be offered membership in a P4 conference (read Big 12) or, if that doesn't happen, to re-form the Pac-12, and if neither of those is feasible, to consider some kind of merger with the MWC.

There must be at least 50 comments to the article and since I have no life, I read them all. About a dozen of the commenters seem to think that if the twins play their cards right, they could have enough money to basically buy their way into the B12. Numbers bore me so I didn't bother assessing the logic of those comments and I'll leave it to utenation, NorCal, etc. to opine whether the twins could actually make the B12 an offer that conference couldn't refuse.

HOW OSU and WSU are using the leverage on the CFP vote to go to a 5+7 model

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/behind-the-pac-2s-attempt-to-leverage-the-college-football-playoff-amid-final-expansion-negotiations/

[utgrizfan]

On 2/9/2024 at 11:48 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

Well, I subscribe and the thing I found significant was this: Oregon State's AD finally admitted that the twins' goal is to be offered membership in a P4 conference (read Big 12) or, if that doesn't happen, to re-form the Pac-12, and if neither of those is feasible, to consider some kind of merger with the MWC.

There must be at least 50 comments to the article and since I have no life, I read them all. About a dozen of the commenters seem to think that if the twins play their cards right, they could have enough money to basically buy their way into the B12. Numbers bore me so I didn't bother assessing the logic of those comments and I'll leave it to utenation, NorCal, etc. to opine whether the twins could actually make the B12 an offer that conference couldn't refuse.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing both in the Big12 and I think from the CFB Playoff payments they will be receiving they could use that to get into a P2 Conference (SEC and Big10 arent options). Looks like the Power Conferences each made over 79 million according to this in 2023:

https://businessofcollegesports.com/college-football-playoff-payouts/

And from what I understand they will still be receiving a Power level payout for the next 2 Seasons, if true that's a decent chunk of change + the credits and assets they'd bring as well. If they joined the Big12 (probably ideal over the ACC mess) could have a solid 3 Pod format for scheduling:

WEST: Wazzu, OSU, Utah, BYU, Arizona, ASU

CENTRAL: Colorado, Kansas, KSU, ISU, Okie State, TTU

EAST: TCU, Baylor, Houston, UCF, Cincy, WVU

Could follow a 5-2-1 format where they play their Pod teams every season and then a rotating 2-1 game setup from the other Pods every other season. 

[Billings]

On 2/9/2024 at 11:20 AM, utgrizfan said:

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing both in the Big12 and I think from the CFB Playoff payments they will be receiving they could use that to get into a P Conference. Looks like the Power Conferences each made over 79 million according to this in 2023:

https://businessofcollegesports.com/college-football-playoff-payouts/

And from what I understand they will still be receiving a Power level payout for the next 2 Seasons, if true that's a decent chunk of change + the credits and assets they'd bring as well. If they joined the Big12 (probably ideal over the ACC mess) could have a solid 3 Pod format for scheduling:

WEST: Wazzu, OSU, Utah, BYU, Arizona, ASU

CENTRAL: Colorado, Kansas, KSU, ISU, Okie State, TTU

EAST: TCU, Baylor, Houston, UCF, Cincy, WVU

Could follow a 5-2-1 format where they play their Pod teams every season and then a rotating 2-1 game setup from the other Pods every other season. 

Each school in the PAC received about $5 million in CFP payout money.  That is what OSU and WSU are trying to preserve with their vote leverage.  

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:16 PM, renoskier said:

yeah, the B12 reaped the benefits but the P12 demise was entirely self-inflicted

 

 

More like,  SDSU was the poison pill. When the Pac Schools realized a vote for the TV Deal included an SDSU add, they bolted.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:41 PM, utenation said:

Like you said. If the power 2 were interested in any of the B12 leftovers, we would be talking about an entirely different movie script right now. 
 

The Pac had 4 teams taken, the B12 had 2. That says something. 

The Big12 has been bleeding its best properties for decades. The AAC/Pac grab was a decent lifeboat.

I've got to wonder, if they are having buyers remorse on the quick buy of the AAC trio ? WVU benefited with Cincy nearby. That's all 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:42 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

Approaching 45 years of being playmates with all the Front Rangers says you fit with the Mountain schools well 

Athletically, yes.

Culturally, no.

And every Aztec fan and AD employee despises the altitude roadies. Hence, their AD spending on high altitude performance research.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:13 PM, AztecSU said:

Now that the MW is a power conference in basketball, who are we likely adding in the future?

OSU/WSU/ZAGS/GAELS/DONS? Or do we avoid small private schools altogether? 

 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:13 PM, AztecSU said:

Now that the MW is a power conference in basketball, who are we likely adding in the future?

OSU/WSU/ZAGS/GAELS/DONS? Or do we avoid small private schools altogether? 

 

Don't be to quick to look down your Power Conference nose.

It's like Christmas presents under the tree. The Conference looks awesome midseason just like the presents under the tree do. Come Christmas Day (Tourney Time) and its usually knitted scarves and sock. One and done.

It's time for these Basketball squads to start notching some Tourney wins and racking up the Credits !

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:29 PM, utenation said:

Look. I get that some Utah fans are just fine moving to a conference spread out across the nation but I know many that aren’t. Utah was clearly for keeping the P12 together as an Admin. 
 

It’s not all going to be bad but many of us appreciated what we had for over a decade. 
 

I’m not going to argue your preferences. We each have our own likes and dislikes. 

Not to mention there are a load of Utah Grads on the West Coast. Not having an annual roadie in the PNW, Bay Area, or El Lay makes it tougher to connect to those fans and fund raise as well. Having an Event like a Football/Basketball game in their Town raises engagement.

Roadies to Ames, Waco, or Wheeling will negatively impact those connections.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:57 PM, AztecSU said:

What I'm going to say is very unpopular but I would like to add Gonzaga and GCU in Olys and UTEP in all Sports. I assume OSU/WSU will be joining for all sports at some point. 

Isn't this what killed the WAC ?

To many geographically spread out Schools with more small fanbases.

Albeit GCU is a good option 

[jdgaucho]

Speaking of which, @Spaztecs

SDSU men's soccer is rejoining the WAC as an affiliate. Not much of a surprise.

https://goaztecs.com/news/2024/2/9/mens-soccer-to-join-wac-as-affiliate-member.aspx

[AztecSU]

On 2/9/2024 at 11:56 AM, Spaztecs said:

Isn't this what killed the WAC ?

To many geographically spread out Schools with more small fanbases.

Albeit GCU is a good option 

It's not 1996 and it never will be again. Look at what's happening. Even the SBC is thriving at 14 schools. 15 schools in FB, with the additions of WSU/OSU/UTEP fits within our existing footprint for the most part. And UTEP is UNM's only natural rival besides NMSU, and they have the sun bowl. Gonzaga and GCU may be a stretch, but they fit into the conference footprint for the most part and have great BB programs with a lot of passion. 15 FB schools and 16 Oly schools would be fine. The real question is would anyone pay for it and the answer it pretty clearly a no. 

FB - WSU/OSU, SJSU/FSU, NEV/UNLV, WYO/CSU, USU/BSU, UNM/UTEP, UH/SDSU, AFA

BB - North(WSU/OSU/BSU/USU/CSU/WYO/AFA/ZAGS) South(SJSU/FSU/SDSU/NEV/UNLV/GCU/UNM/UTEP)