Conference Realignment thread

[madmartigan]

On 2/7/2024 at 3:03 PM, AztecSU said:

What will the tiers in the nB12 look like? Here is my totally uneducated guess at the long term. 

1) UU/TCU/OkieSt/KSU

2) BYU/TTU/BAY/WVU

3) UA/ASU/ISU/KU

4) HOU/CIN/UCF/CU

NM

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:53 PM, AztecSU said:

I haven't been to Portland since summer of 2004. It was pretty nice back then, but even then, it attracted...how do I say this...Burning Man/Phish fan types. When things went south in the wake of the housing crash in 2007/8 I was not surprised to see Portland hit kinda hard by those looking for that kind of place. I feel bad for the lifers who are from there. 

I think you can find good and bad in most big-bigger cities. 
 

Hell, there’s a few spots in the SL Valley I would think twice about going there. 

[RebelAlliance]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:22 PM, utenation said:

Just curious. How exactly are Utah and Cincy even remotely on the same level? Are you sure adding Cincy wasn't just a desperate move to keep the B12 alive and they put a band-aid on a compound fracture?

Cincy finished dead last in football in 2023 and are helping hold down the bottom of the B12 in basketball this year. In 2023, they finished 65th in TV ratings in football having several G5 schools ahead of them in ratings. Utah more than doubled up on Cincy's ratings in 2023 with an average at best Utah football team last year. Cincy's football attendance is on par with Utah's in the WAC days. Not exactly hot numbers for a bigger market like Cincinnati.

I certainly don't think Utah is head and shoulders above an athletics department like WVU, but give me a break on comparing any of the 3 AAC turds added to the B12.

It's doesn't look like the B12 made a solid buy in Cincy at this point. 

 

The notion that Cincy would carry the Cincinnati market was ludicrous.  If they're good, they might squeak out a small plurality over Ohio State, Kentucky and Notre Dame (Cincinnati is heavily Catholic) in terms of viewers and fan support.  That being said, that support evaporates if they're not winning, and even if they are winning, it doesn't extend outside the metro area to the rest of Ohio in the least.  

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 3:37 PM, RebelAlliance said:

The notion that Cincy would carry the Cincinnati market was ludicrous.  If they're good, they might squeak out a small plurality over Ohio State, Kentucky and Notre Dame (Cincinnati is heavily Catholic) in terms of viewers and fan support.  That being said, that support evaporates if they're not winning, and even if they are winning, it doesn't extend outside the metro area to the rest of Ohio in the least.  

I won’t be going there for any games. I won’t ever set foot inside UCF’s stadium either.  Houston is also a trashy dump in my book.  Provo? Well, let’s just say I have no business ever being in that place for anything. 
 

[Motown Monty]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:42 PM, utenation said:

I won’t be going there for any games. I won’t ever set foot inside UCF’s stadium either.  Houston is also a trashy dump in my book.  Provo? Well, let’s just say I have no business ever being in that place for anything. 
 

just out of curiosity why are you shitting on Houston? 

I haven't been there (unless you count an airport stop).   But a friend went there last fall on an NFL trip at the Houston Texans stadium and told me he had a great trip, and got some BBQ at a place down there

I guess if you went on a road trip to Houston you could maybe do a college and NFL game, or catch an MLB game 

Also, Houston has a decent, newer stadium.   but I have never been there so genuinely curious if folks don't like it

 

[Motown Monty]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:03 PM, AztecSU said:

What will the tiers in the nB12 look like? Here is my totally uneducated guess at the long term. 

1) UU/TCU/OkieSt/KSU

2) BYU/TTU/BAY/WVU

3) UA/ASU/ISU/KU

4) HOU/CIN/UCF/CU

maybe move Baylor up to tier 1.  they have been very good at basketball and football.

Tier 2, 3 and 4 all seem about the same level of schools.   Kansas has sucked at football for a long time, but at least their are building a new football stadium. 

 

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 4:08 PM, Motown Monty said:

just out of curiosity why are you shitting on Houston? 

I haven't been there (unless you count an airport stop).   But a friend went there last fall on an NFL trip at the Houston Texans stadium and told me he had a great trip, and got some BBQ at a place down there

I guess if you went on a road trip to Houston you could maybe do a college and NFL game, or catch an MLB game 

Also, Houston has a decent, newer stadium.   but I have never been there so genuinely curious if folks don't like it

 

There’s been several posts on the City of Houston on the board and this thread. I’m sure some other posters will chime in with more details. Lol. Not my kinda place. I’ve been there for business a few times. I found it trashy. 
 

Preference is all.  

[robe]

On 2/7/2024 at 5:08 PM, Motown Monty said:

just out of curiosity why are you shitting on Houston? 

I haven't been there (unless you count an airport stop).   But a friend went there last fall on an NFL trip at the Houston Texans stadium and told me he had a great trip, and got some BBQ at a place down there

I guess if you went on a road trip to Houston you could maybe do a college and NFL game, or catch an MLB game 

Also, Houston has a decent, newer stadium.   but I have never been there so genuinely curious if folks don't like it

 

I have been to the stadium. It was 60% BYU fans in the Covid season. Nice stadium. 

[RSF]

On 2/7/2024 at 5:08 PM, Motown Monty said:

just out of curiosity why are you shitting on Houston? 

I haven't been there (unless you count an airport stop).   But a friend went there last fall on an NFL trip at the Houston Texans stadium and told me he had a great trip, and got some BBQ at a place down there

I guess if you went on a road trip to Houston you could maybe do a college and NFL game, or catch an MLB game 

Also, Houston has a decent, newer stadium.   but I have never been there so genuinely curious if folks don't like it

 

The city is a shithole in general.  And the BBQ in Houston is far down the list in Texas.  Cougar High's new stadium is better than the old one.  Which isnt saying much.  They built it on the cheap, and for a huge public school in a huge metro area, they cant fill the damn place.

 

Having said that, they've got things going on in basketballl, and they were still one of the best options at a time when the B12 needed to back fill.

[RebelAlliance]

On 2/7/2024 at 4:42 PM, utenation said:

I won’t be going there for any games. I won’t ever set foot inside UCF’s stadium either.  Houston is also a trashy dump in my book.  Provo? Well, let’s just say I have no business ever being in that place for anything. 
 

I'd go to Cincinnati over Houston.  Cincinnati is actually a great old city, and they've done a lot to revitalize older downtown neighborhoods.  I've been to Houston once, and it was just endless miles of soul-sucking sprawl.

[OzzyOzz]

Newsflash, Pullman doesn't want to be Seattle. 

It's a town that has 10, 000 people when school is out, 30, 000 people when it's not, and if you are not smart enough to contribute positively to the academics, they kick you out and you go back to your parents' house. 

2nd, WSUs ranking should improve because of the new med school.

The reason the med school is new is because of corruption in legislature, it literally took our dean dying for it to be passed...otherwise they would still be denying us that med school.

3rd, I'm not too sure what you mean it isn't academic..it's a powerhouse in its industries. Top vet med, top journalism, top pharmacy I think, who knows...engineering, coding, agriculture..idk, national recognition doesn't inform quality. 

Anyway, the amount of corruption in America is embarrassing. In this, in politics, in business..

Nikki Haley not even given a fair shake, off the ballot, the theatre of it is embarrassing..

It's why America is a losing culture. 

I don't really care what happens, I'm not working for what isn't morally ethical.

And finally, the reason they expanded college football was for more exclusion, not less. And I'm pretty sure when that decision was being made and WSU was consulted, it formed its official opinion with that assumption.

It was probably the wrong opinion to form, but it's still called being stabbed in the back. 

No two ways about it..

Keep your corruption, it will make you all weaker. I'd care but you all are obviously not on the moral side of this discussion so personally, I'm rooting for the "asteroid". 

You all don't deserve it, that's why you'll lose it in the end. 

It's like watching overly confident teens make poor and selfish decisions. I'd root for them, but sometimes they should be incarcerated. 

It will happen with this. 

Good wins out. 

Sorry America. 

[Chalsean]

On 2/8/2024 at 9:04 AM, OzzyOzz said:

Newsflash, Pullman doesn't want to be Seattle. 

It's a town that has 10, 000 people when school is out, 30, 000 people when it's not, and if you are not smart enough to contribute positively to the academics, they kick you out and you go back to your parents' house. 

2nd, WSUs ranking should improve because of the new med school.

The reason the med school is new is because of corruption in legislature, it literally took our dean dying for it to be passed...otherwise they would still be denying us that med school.

3rd, I'm not too sure what you mean it isn't academic..it's a powerhouse in its industries. Top vet med, top journalism, top pharmacy I think, who knows...engineering, coding, agriculture..idk, national recognition doesn't inform quality. 

 

Well if you don't want to bring Seattle and Pullman only has 30k at best, then you don't bring much to the media table for MWC.

Also keep politics on the other board please, not everyone wants to talk politics every nano-second of their life.

[OzzyOzz]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:29 AM, Chalsean said:

Well if you don't want to bring Seattle and Pullman only has 30k at best, then you don't bring much to the media table for MWC.

Also keep politics on the other board please, not everyone wants to talk politics every nano-second of their life.

Yeah anyway, I'm pretty sure once you graduate from WSU you pretty much instantly die. That's why that market is so small.

Not sure why I'm even responding to this tbh

[utenation]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:29 AM, RebelAlliance said:

I'd go to Cincinnati over Houston.  Cincinnati is actually a great old city, and they've done a lot to revitalize older downtown neighborhoods.  I've been to Houston once, and it was just endless miles of soul-sucking sprawl.

Yeah, I get it. I mentioned for games. As in I’m not going there for a quick weekend trip or plan a quick trip to the City. Especially to watch a program like Cincy.  That’s the main issue. 
 

I actually like the rust belt. I went to watch Utah beat Michigan at the Big House in 2014.  But that’s Michigan and an iconic stadium. 
 

I like Orlando too but I will never set foot in UCF’s stadium. It might collapse with all the rust and poor maintenance. And the team there isn’t worth my time. 

[renoskier]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:42 PM, utenation said:

I won’t be going there for any games. I won’t ever set foot inside UCF’s stadium either.  Houston is also a trashy dump in my book.  Provo? Well, let’s just say I have no business ever being in that place for anything. 
 

well...you still have Boulder  

[utenation]

On 2/8/2024 at 10:35 AM, renoskier said:

well...you still have Boulder  

Oh yeah. I love all of Colorado. At one point, I seriously thought about moving to the Denver metro.  I’ve spent a lot of time there for work. Lifestyle is perfect for me. Relaxed ideas on bars, drinking etc. Downtown with all the sports is sweet. 

DIA is a little out there though and getting to the backwoods isn’t as easy as SLC. Denver is a hair more expensive than SLC too. Denver is a bigger SLC without a lot of the bullshit laws and religious conservatives.

[Motown Monty]

Everyone is unsure where the ACC situation is about to go.

if Florida St. and Clemson leave to the SEC, and North Carolina and Ga Tech to the Big Ten, who could see dominoes

[alum93]

On 2/8/2024 at 9:04 AM, OzzyOzz said:

Newsflash, Pullman doesn't want to be Seattle. 

It's a town that has 10, 000 people when school is out, 30, 000 people when it's not, and if you are not smart enough to contribute positively to the academics, they kick you out and you go back to your parents' house. 

2nd, WSUs ranking should improve because of the new med school.

The reason the med school is new is because of corruption in legislature, it literally took our dean dying for it to be passed...otherwise they would still be denying us that med school.

3rd, I'm not too sure what you mean it isn't academic..it's a powerhouse in its industries. Top vet med, top journalism, top pharmacy I think, who knows...engineering, coding, agriculture..idk, national recognition doesn't inform quality. 

Anyway, the amount of corruption in America is embarrassing. In this, in politics, in business..

Nikki Haley not even given a fair shake, off the ballot, the theatre of it is embarrassing..

It's why America is a losing culture. 

I don't really care what happens, I'm not working for what isn't morally ethical.

And finally, the reason they expanded college football was for more exclusion, not less. And I'm pretty sure when that decision was being made and WSU was consulted, it formed its official opinion with that assumption.

It was probably the wrong opinion to form, but it's still called being stabbed in the back. 

No two ways about it..

Keep your corruption, it will make you all weaker. I'd care but you all are obviously not on the moral side of this discussion so personally, I'm rooting for the "asteroid". 

You all don't deserve it, that's why you'll lose it in the end. 

It's like watching overly confident teens make poor and selfish decisions. I'd root for them, but sometimes they should be incarcerated. 

It will happen with this. 

Good wins out. 

Sorry America. 

How do you get more exclusion from a 12 team playoff, 1 of which at a minimum will be a G5 team, versus a 4 team playoff with no G5 teams?  

[tspoke]

New article from the athletic about the contract between the MW and pac2. 

Quote

The contract, executed on Dec. 1, says that from the moment of its effective date, the schools will “negotiate in good faith the consummation, as promptly as reasonably practicable, of a definitive transaction pursuant to which all MWC Member Institutions join Pac-12 as Pac-12 member institutions with no MWC Exit Fee payable by any MWC Member Institution to MWC. The invitations, if made, would be effective as of the 2025-2026 NCAA season or the 2026-2027 NCAA season.”

What really protects the Mountain West is that the obligations of the contract survive for two years past the end date of the agreement, which is currently Aug. 1, 2025 but could be extended to 2026. OSU and WSU face penalties if they were to join a conference other than the Mountain West or a Power 4 league during that time.

Oregon State and Washington State would also owe significant withdrawal fees, on a sliding scale, if they were to invite some but not all Mountain West schools to the Pac-12. Adding one school would cost $10 million. Adding six schools would cost $67.5 million; 11 schools would cost $137.5 million, not including their exit fees for leaving the Mountain West.

But if the Pac-2 invites all 12 Mountain West schools to reverse-merge into a Pac-14? That would cost nothing. The conference had leverage and used it, in an attempt to protect all of its teams from being left behind.

“The survival and protection of the league was a priority,” Mountain West commissioner Gloria Nevarez told The Athletic. “… We wanted to make sure what happened to the Pac-12 didn’t happen to us.”

Earlier in this thread I discussed with someone these conditions and we heard they were going to be there from sources before it was announced but this confirms it. Pretty good deal. 

https://theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12?source=user-shared-article

[Pelado]

On 2/7/2024 at 3:42 PM, utenation said:

I won’t be going there for any games. I won’t ever set foot inside UCF’s stadium either.  Houston is also a trashy dump in my book.  Provo? Well, let’s just say I have no business ever being in that place for anything. 
 

The restraining order is still in effect?