Conference Realignment thread

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:46 AM, Motown Monty said:

The reason Utah gets to play West Virginia and Cinci now, is because on the appeal scale, Utah was evaluated and deemed to be the equivalent of West Virginia and Cinci and the rest of the BIG12.   Utah is currently not a peer to the schools in Seattle, Oregon and LA. 

Maybe some day schools like West Virginia, Cinci and Utah will have appeal to the Big Ten or SEC, but that time is not now.

First off. I never said Utah has any appeal for the SEC or the B10.  If the 10 schools would have taken a good offer from ESPN, we wouldn't be using Utah in the same post and West Virginia and Cincy.

[Motown Monty]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:49 AM, utenation said:

First off. I never said Utah has any appeal for the SEC or the B10.  If the 10 schools would have taken a good offer from ESPN, we wouldn't be using Utah in the same post and West Virginia and Cincy.

It is just odd that Utah fans are bagging on West Virginia and Cinci and the BIG12, and acting like they are above them.

I have seen it a lot over the past year, but you guys are the equivalents.   the market said Utah = Cinci and West Virginia

I think Utah is a good school and would prefer a new PAC10 with SDSU for selfish reasons

[MissionTrails]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:51 AM, Motown Monty said:

It is just odd that Utah fans are bagging on West Virginia and Cinci and the BIG12, and acting like they are above them.

I have seen it a lot over the past year, but you guys are the equivalents.   the market said Utah = Cinci and West Virginia

I think Utah is a good school and would prefer a new PAC10 with SDSU for selfish reasons

I think distance is part of the reason for the bagging.

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:51 AM, Motown Monty said:

It is just odd that Utah fans are bagging on West Virginia and Cinci and the BIG12, and acting like they are above them.

If you don't understand the difference between P12 geography, culture and academic profiles compared to some of the back woods, moonshine, cowtown locations in the B12, I can't help you. 

Utah raised their academic profile greatly while in the P12 based on association.  Nothing against the sport's programs in the B12, but there's not a lot in common compared to where we left.  It is what it is but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

If the B12 was a good fit for Utah, we would have joined the B12 a few years ago.

 

[MissionTrails]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:38 AM, RSF said:

It is the point.  This is the world we live in.  Its the Golden Rule - those with the gold, make the rules.

That's not a good point at all. In fact, your response makes my point.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:48 AM, Motown Monty said:

I still don't know why they didn't do this for like $25-30m per year TV deal in a new PAC10

SDSU

SMU

Rice

Those are your reasons. Potential TV partners laughed at these three.

[Motown Monty]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:01 AM, utenation said:

If you don't understand the difference between P12 geography, culture and academic profiles compared to some of the back woods, moonshine, cowtown locations in the B12, I can't help you. 

Utah raised their academic profile greatly while in the P12 based on association.  Nothing against the sport's programs in the B12, but there's not a lot in common compared to where we left.  It is what it is but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

If the B12 was a good fit for Utah, we would have joined the B12 a few years ago.

 

 

I understand your disappointment, but a school like Utah wasn't deemed to be an athletic or institutional peer to UCLA, USC, Washington and Oregon.   So those schools left to a more prestigious group for more money.   Same with Texas and Oklahoma leaving to the SEC.

in that sense, Utah is deemed to be a peer to the "backwoods" left behinds of the BIG12.  

i think a new PAC10 might be created in 2-4 years though and you could be back in a conference with Washington St and Oregon St, and maybe a SoCal (SDSU).   That would be nice destinations again.

 

but i get your frustration

SDSU is a bad geographic fit for the MWC.  We have no cultural resemblance to "cow town" (as you put it) schools like USU and Wyoming.  So I get what you are saying.

 

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:51 AM, Motown Monty said:

It is just odd that Utah fans are bagging on West Virginia and Cinci and the BIG12, and acting like they are above them.

I have seen it a lot over the past year, but you guys are the equivalents.   the market said Utah = Cinci and West Virginia

I think Utah is a good school and would prefer a new PAC10 with SDSU for selfish reasons

Outside of U$C, i think the Pac wanted to stay together. Their sense of being more valuable than the New12 is what doomed them.

[Spaztecs]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:13 AM, Motown Monty said:

 

I understand your disappointment, but a school like Utah wasn't deemed to be an athletic or institutional peer to UCLA, USC, Washington and Oregon.   So those schools left to a more prestigious group for more money.   Same with Texas and Oklahoma leaving to the SEC.

in that sense, Utah is deemed to be a peer to the "backwoods" left behinds of the BIG12.  

i think a new PAC10 might be created in 2-4 years though and you could be back in a conference with Washington St and Oregon St, and maybe a SoCal (SDSU).   That would be nice destinations again.

 

but i get your frustration

SDSU is a bad geographic fit for the MWC.  We have no cultural resemblance to "cow town" (as you put it) schools like USU and Wyoming.  So I get what you are saying.

 

Perhaps with the Mountain Schools. not much the Western Schools.

SDSU, athletically and budget wise do fit in the MW. Even during the flirtation with the Pac, I always felt this is where they belong. Culturally, they fit with the Pacific Schools.

The MW is literally two cultures within one Conference.

[renoskier]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:32 AM, RSF said:

The money wasnt there, and certainly wont be in the future(which was the issue at hand).  And Yormark played the P12 like a fiddle.  Suck it up and deal with it.  And if beauty were a consideration, Alabama would be D2.

trolling much?

other than sitting back doing nothing (the B12's most valuable teams had already been poached) Yormark didn't "do" anything

the B1G wasn't coming for any of the B12 leftovers and 30 million a year was never going to keep UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington around 

[RSF]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:47 PM, renoskier said:

trolling much?

other than sitting back doing nothing (the B12's most valuable teams had already been poached) Yormark didn't "do" anything

the B1G wasn't coming for any of the B12 leftovers and 30 million a year was never going to keep UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington around 

Other than jumping ahead of the P12 in line for TV deals, and constantly stirring the pot about the west coast, yeah he was just twiddling his thumbs.  OU and UW waited a year to pull the fire alarm.  They would have stayed for 30.

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:13 AM, Motown Monty said:

 

I understand your disappointment, but a school like Utah wasn't deemed to be an athletic or institutional peer to UCLA, USC, Washington and Oregon.   So those schools left to a more prestigious group for more money.   Same with Texas and Oklahoma leaving to the SEC.

in that sense, Utah is deemed to be a peer to the "backwoods" left behinds of the BIG12.  

i think a new PAC10 might be created in 2-4 years though and you could be back in a conference with Washington St and Oregon St, and maybe a SoCal (SDSU).   That would be nice destinations again.

 

but i get your frustration

SDSU is a bad geographic fit for the MWC.  We have no cultural resemblance to "cow town" (as you put it) schools like USU and Wyoming.  So I get what you are saying.

 

You keep missing the point. I never said Utah rivals any of the schools you mentioned on overall profile including market value. Utah football has been the most consistent product in the P12 the last 4-5 years btw.  
 

The remaining 10 would have been a good conference. That’s my point. 
 

I’m also not disputing where we are today. 

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:49 AM, RSF said:

Other than jumping ahead of the P12 in line for TV deals, and constantly stirring the pot about the west coast, yeah he was just twiddling his thumbs.  OU and UW waited a year to pull the fire alarm.  They would have stayed for 30.

So if ESPN offered the P10 $30 mill and the B12 deal is the same, what did jumping in line first have to do with anything? 

Luck isn’t brilliance. 

[masterfrog]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:01 PM, utenation said:

 

If the B12 was a good fit for Utah, we would have joined the B12 a few years ago.

 

I guess it was a good fit last year. 

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:03 PM, masterfrog said:

I guess it was a good fit last year. 

Again. Utah could have joined the B12 before the AAC turds and BYU. 
 

It seems more like an Alamo situation rather than an interested party. It’s not a good fit, it’s P4 survival. 

[masterfrog]

On 2/7/2024 at 1:05 PM, utenation said:

Again. Utah could have joined the B12 before the AAC turds and BYU. 
 

It seems more like an Alamo situation rather than an interested party. It’s not a good fit, it’s P4 survival. 

I could see that. I think it is a great fit for the Arizona schools who are a much better cultural fit with the Big 12.

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:47 AM, renoskier said:

trolling much?

other than sitting back doing nothing (the B12's most valuable teams had already been poached) Yormark didn't "do" anything

the B1G wasn't coming for any of the B12 leftovers and 30 million a year was never going to keep UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington around 

Yep. I’m not sure why B12 fans keep trying to take credit for the P12 falling apart and getting 4 schools. 

[renoskier]

On 2/7/2024 at 11:12 AM, utenation said:

Yep. I’m not sure why B12 fans keep trying to take credit for the P12 falling apart and getting 4 schools. 

yeah, the B12 reaped the benefits but the P12 demise was entirely self-inflicted

 

[utenation]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:16 PM, renoskier said:

yeah, the B12 reaped the benefits but the P12 demise was entirely self-inflicted

 

Like you said. If the power 2 were interested in any of the B12 leftovers, we would be talking about an entirely different movie script right now. 
 

The Pac had 4 teams taken, the B12 had 2. That says something. 

[jdgaucho]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:22 AM, Spaztecs said:

Perhaps with the Mountain Schools. not much the Western Schools.

SDSU, athletically and budget wise do fit in the MW. Even during the flirtation with the Pac, I always felt this is where they belong. Culturally, they fit with the Pacific Schools.

The MW is literally two cultures within one Conference.

 

Approaching 45 years of being playmates with all the Front Rangers says you fit with the Mountain schools well