RSF Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 2/5/2024 at 5:44 PM, Spaztecs said: There's a lot of space between the Miss and the Rockies. 700 miles (Denver to Ames) aint much to a plane. That's roughly the width of the country between the Rockies and the Mississippi. Houston to Orlando is farther. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818SUDSFan Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 1:14 PM, RSF said: ND can't join the B10 as long as the ACC exists. And if the AAC does crater, my bet is ND's 1st call is to the Big East, not the Big 10. Maybe because I'm one of the few people on earth who doesn't either love or hate ND, the Irish to the Big East never occurred to me but it would make a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, utgrizfan said: The only geographical outliers in the Big12 seem to be UCF, Cincy and West Virginia. Everyone else seems to be close enough to a good number of other schools for it not to be a problem, invites to the BIG or SEC I think are the only threats for the Big12. In addition with the ACC instability/potential to break apart currently going on that will encourage schools to most likely stay. I definitely think the Big12 is a better Football Conference then the ACC moving forward and will be the one more likely Poaching from the ACC then the other way around. If we are strictly talking geography it seems like UCF, WV, and Cincy should be exchanged for UNM, CSU, & SDSU... no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamSack Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 6:08 PM, Someone Else said: If we are strictly talking geography it seems like UCF, WV, and Cincy should be exchanged for UNM, CSU, & SDSU... no? That would be a solid add in Basketball, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 6:08 PM, Someone Else said: If we are strictly talking geography it seems like UCF, WV, and Cincy should be exchanged for UNM, CSU, & SDSU... no? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver-Poke Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 3:18 PM, Spaztecs said: Not USC or Stanford. They pushed their rivalry games to a week earlier in order to get ND end of season. Stanford did not want to play the game on TG week. Cal eventually reciprocated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Chalsean said: No Seems pretty clear if you look at the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2024 at 6:46 PM, East Coast Aztec said: This image is the MWC As proven by Utah, BYU, and TCU. JFC, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/6/2024 at 1:42 PM, Brew_Poke said: As proven by Utah, BYU, and TCU. JFC, dude. Using a school that left to put its sports in WCC and hope it can make it Indy in football proves my point more than disproves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/6/2024 at 3:06 PM, East Coast Aztec said: Using a school that left to put its sports in WCC and hope it can make it Indy in football proves my point more than disproves it. #frontrangeforever #holdingthemdown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/5/2024 at 1:19 PM, RSF said: If they couldnt hold together in the 1st place because the money wasnt there, what makes you think RE-forming will be any more successful? Let's not confuse "the money wasn't there" with stupidity/greed of P10-12 Presidents. The money was there. If the 12 stayed together, I'm 99% sure the new P12 deal would be well north of $30 mill. At the end of the day, nothing we could scratch together would be on the level of the B10. And Oregon and UW weren't going to stick around for $30 mill per year. They will both get a nice payday once the B10 contract is there next round. I get a chuckle when I see folks make Yormark and the B12 out to be some brilliant genius in all this. Being there with lifeboats including having a corrupt "bonus" check for CU when the ship was sinking is just pure luck. Not all new B12 fans coming from the P12 are all that excited the conference is stretched across the country AKA "vastness", when there were beautiful Western destinations right in our back yard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 11:30 AM, utenation said: Let's not confuse "the money wasn't there" with stupidity/greed of P10-12 Presidents. The money was there. If the 12 stayed together, I'm 99% sure the new P12 deal would be well north of $30 mill. At the end of the day, nothing we could scratch together would be on the level of the B10. And Oregon and UW weren't going to stick around for $30 mill per year. They will both get a nice payday once the B10 contract is there next round. I get a chuckle when I see folks make Yormark and the B12 out to be some brilliant genius in all this. Being there with lifeboats including having a corrupt "bonus" check for CU when the ship was sinking is just pure luck. Not all new B12 fans coming from the P12 are all that excited the conference is stretched across the country AKA "vastness", when there were beautiful Western destinations right in our back yard. The money wasnt there, and certainly wont be in the future(which was the issue at hand). And Yormark played the P12 like a fiddle. Suck it up and deal with it. And if beauty were a consideration, Alabama would be D2. 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 10:32 AM, RSF said: The money wasnt there. And Yormark played the P12 like a fiddle. Deal with it. So let me double check.. If Utah took $30 million in the P12 and the same number in the B12, what's the difference? And now we get to go to West Virginia and Cincy instead of Seattle, Portland or LA. Take off your B12 goggles. The B12 is a yard sale conference with many terrible destinations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionTrails Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 9:32 AM, RSF said: The money wasnt there. And Yormark played the P12 like a fiddle. Deal with it. Whether he did or didn't isn't the point, in my opinion. The question should be whether what his conference, the Big10, and the SEC did was good for college athletics as a whole. I vote a resounding no. I think most people, outside of TV executives, would as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 11:35 AM, utenation said: So let me double check.. If Utah took $30 million in the P12 and the same number in the B12, what's the difference? And now we get to go to West Virginia and Cincy instead of Seattle, Portland or LA. Take off your B12 goggles. You werent getting 30 million by the end. Which is why schools started bailing. Quit whining. We're all in the same boat. You want to jump out and swim on your own, be my guest. The B12 threw you a life preserver. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 11:37 AM, MissionTrails said: Whether his did or didn't isn't the point, in my opinion. The question should be whether what his conference, the Big10, and the SEC did was good for college athletics as a whole. I vote a resounding no. I think most people, outside of TV executives, would as well. It is the point. This is the world we live in. Its the Golden Rule - those with the gold, make the rules. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 10:37 AM, RSF said: You werent getting 30 million by the end. Which is why schools started bailing. Quit whining. We're all in the same boat. You want to jump out and swim on your own, be my guest. The B12 threw you a life preserver. Ummm. There was an offer for $30 mill in 2022. We thought we could get $50. So is the the brilliance of Yormark or the P12 presidents being morons? Again. Take off the goggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Monty Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 9:35 AM, utenation said: So let me double check.. If Utah took $30 million in the P12 and the same number in the B12, what's the difference? And now we get to go to West Virginia and Cincy instead of Seattle, Portland or LA. Take off your B12 goggles. The B12 is a yard sale conference with many terrible destinations. The reason Utah gets to play West Virginia and Cinci now, is because on the appeal scale, Utah was evaluated and deemed to be the equivalent of West Virginia and Cinci and the rest of the BIG12. Utah is currently not a peer to the schools in Seattle, Oregon and LA. Maybe some day schools like West Virginia, Cinci and Utah will have appeal to the Big Ten or SEC, but that time is not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2024 at 10:37 AM, RSF said: Quit whining. We're all in the same boat. You want to jump out and swim on your own, be my guest. The B12 threw you a life preserver. I'll make you a deal. You quit pimping the fool's gold brilliance of the B12 and I'll quit whining. BTW, Utah could have joined the B12 at any time once Texas and OU announced they were leaving. The B12 is lucky to have us judging by the 4 turds the B12 added from the AAC and BYU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Monty Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 the next 2 years will be interesting the PAC2 are clearly holding out to see if they can reform the PAC into a new conference, depending on the future of the ACC I still don't know why they didn't do this for like $25-30m per year TV deal in a new PAC10 Stanford Cal Utah Oregon St Washington St AZ ASU SDSU SMU Rice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
