Conference Realignment thread

[NevadaFan]

On 1/18/2024 at 3:09 PM, RSF said:

Sucks for you then.  Hard to post an update that doesn't exist.

 

Have a nice day.

Wow. Get a life. Seriously.  

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:46 AM, RSF said:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

 

ACC filed an amended complaint against Florida State.  For those who think this is going to happen quickly, the word 'multiyear' has been thrown around a lot.  The battle over jurisdiction (ACC filed in NC, FSU in Fla) will probably go into the fall.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39331484/acc-court-filing-accuses-fsu-breach-contract-seeks-damages

https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/17/acc-claims-florida-state-should-be-excluded-from-conference-business-in-amended-lawsuit

 

This is the latest legal maneuvering in what projects to be a yearslong battle if both sides remain steadfast and the cases proceed to one or more trials. In anticipation of Florida State’s lawsuit that was filed Dec. 23, the ACC beat the school to the punch with its own suit that claimed the Seminoles were violating their obligation to abide by an agreement which tied ESPN media revenue to the league through 2036. FSU filed later that day, alleging restraint of trade, breach of contract and failure to perform by the ACC, citing a stagnant revenue stream and “draconian” penalties for withdrawing from the conference.

 

 

The ACC filed its suit in North Carolina, where the headquarters are located, and Florida State filed in Florida. Jurisdiction is considered a significant element of this legal tussle, legal experts familiar with the situation told Sports Illustrated Wednesday, with each side seeking a home-field advantage of sorts. One said the jockeying over jurisdiction could last another six to nine months.

The dispute could continue on two tracks in two states, or one court could ultimately defer to the other. In that respect, the ACC’s move to land the first punch could be a factor down the road. “It was important to file and serve first,” one lawyer said.

 

 

Yea this would obviously take many years to actually litigate. But there are many things that will happen along the way (issues relating to jurisdiction and discovery, for example) that affect which side has more leverage. It’s not like both sides are in a neutral position and just remain there until a trial happens.

[utenation]

On 1/18/2024 at 2:32 PM, Motown Monty said:

its kind of weird that 3 Big12 school fans are arguing with each other on the MWC Board -

3 conference rivals I guess soon enough

does the Big12 not have a fan site ?  I never looked

@RSF

@utenation

@Did I hear a WOOSH?

 

I think you need to go back to page 1 of this thread if you’re being serious and looking for context. I’ve been here since early 2005. Many posters here were in diapers back then. 
 

If you went back to page 1 you’d understand how this thread has gone in a million directions since 2021. 
 

This board is for everyone. You take the good with the bad. @Did I hear a WOOSH? doesn’t have a good reason to be here. UCF has never had anything do do with the MWC. He degrades this conference at any turn. I think this conference is great with good fans. I’m also a supporter of Western athletics. Utah is a legacy, founding member of the MWC.  I guess it might look different if you shit on the place you came from. But that’s not me. 
 

This board has a great ignore feature if your feathers get too ruffled with outside opinions and takes. Might be right up your alley. 

[utenation]

On 1/18/2024 at 2:55 PM, RSF said:

1 has no connection.

I think the biggest issue folks have here with @Did I hear a WOOSH? is his lack of control and common courtesy with his raging meth mouth issues. He scares children and this is a family board last time I checked.  Addiction is a serious problem and nothing to brag about. 
 

Maybe it’s more common in Florida with all the trailer parks and such? But meth mouth is not a joke around here. What a shame and  this fool has zero common sense. 
 

 

[RSF]

On 1/18/2024 at 5:27 PM, NevadaFan said:

Wow. Get a life. Seriously.  

I will give your suggestion the due consideration it so richly deserves.

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So anyways...

[Spaztecs]

On 1/18/2024 at 10:06 AM, Motown Monty said:

ESPN+ seems OK

I like it better than CBS Sports Network actually

Well, Espn+ does report viewership.

[renoskier]

On 1/18/2024 at 2:59 PM, Motown Monty said:

 All I know is when i look in here to get an update about the PAC12 and MWC merger, it is clogged by 3 Big12 fans in a pissing match

UCF - TCU - Utah

Congratulation - no one cares

do you even MWC Board?

[dAB]

On 1/18/2024 at 10:55 PM, utenation said:

I think the biggest issue folks have here with @Did I hear a WOOSH? is his lack of control and common courtesy with his raging meth mouth issues. He scares children and this is a family board last time I checked.  Addiction is a serious problem and nothing to brag about. 
 

Maybe it’s more common in Florida with all the trailer parks and such? But meth mouth is not a joke around here. What a shame and  this fool has zero common sense. 
 

 

I think it is all of those great surf locations in Orlando!!!

[utgrizfan]

More shenanigans out of the ACC, looks like UNC and NC-State could become a package deal for future realignment. This happens it apparently would ensure the SEC being the only landing spot for both (Big10 had 0 interest in NC-State according to other forums)

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-system-president-board-could-stop-unc-nc-state-from-changing-conferences/21244582/

[bigd]

On 1/20/2024 at 12:01 PM, utgrizfan said:

More shenanigans out of the ACC, looks like UNC and NC-State could become a package deal for future realignment. This happens it apparently would ensure the SEC being the only landing spot for both (Big10 had 0 interest in NC-State according to other forums)

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-system-president-board-could-stop-unc-nc-state-from-changing-conferences/21244582/

Hopefully that helps keep the ACC together. I would think taking both would even be a stretch for the SEC.

[RSF]

On 1/20/2024 at 2:01 PM, utgrizfan said:

More shenanigans out of the ACC, looks like UNC and NC-State could become a package deal for future realignment. This happens it apparently would ensure the SEC being the only landing spot for both (Big10 had 0 interest in NC-State according to other forums)

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-system-president-board-could-stop-unc-nc-state-from-changing-conferences/21244582/

They won't stop them if each gets a slot in one of the 2.

[fanhood]

SDSU, UNLV, Boise, Fresno, etc, breaking away to join Washington State and Oregon State in some redesigned PAC, would be foolhardy at this point. 

The obvious decision here is for the entire MW to absorb OSU and WSU, under the Pac 12 banner, while trying to get Gonzaga to join. 

The above is a four to five bid league in basketball every year, and clearly the best of the rest football conference.

If Stanford or Cal, ever come back (they will not), you simply politely tell Hawaii to leave.

[utgrizfan]

On 1/21/2024 at 6:19 AM, fanhood said:

If Stanford or Cal, ever come back (they will not), you simply politely tell Hawaii to leave.

I pretty much agree with everything except this. If Stanford and CAL ever wanted back into the New PAC I'd tell them to pound sand, they were 2 of the bigger problem children that refused expansion options that contributed to the fall of the PAC.

Granted, this probably will never happen as their behavior already indicates they want nothing to do with any MWC institutions, outside of scheduling, where I would demand a decent payout every single time to play them.

[SteedLaw]

On 1/21/2024 at 6:19 AM, fanhood said:

SDSU, UNLV, Boise, Fresno, etc, breaking away to join Washington State and Oregon State in some redesigned PAC, would be foolhardy at this point. 

The obvious decision here is for the entire MW to absorb OSU and WSU, under the Pac 12 banner, while trying to get Gonzaga to join. 

The above is a four to five bid league in basketball every year, and clearly the best of the rest football conference.

If Stanford or Cal, ever come back (they will not), you simply politely tell Hawaii to leave.

Yep.

And if there was any doubt, this is Oregon State and Washington State we are talking about — i.e., public land-grant Carnegie R1 institutions with an established history of only wanting to compete athletically with schools having similar academic and research chops. 

But, according to a minor few on these forums, they are supposedly going to start a league with just SDSU, Fresno, UNLV and Boise State — leaving the likes of Colorado State, Utah State, and New Mexico?  
 

Um, yeah…put the bong down already. :p

 

[RSF]

On 1/21/2024 at 5:06 PM, SteedLaw said:

Yep.

And if there was any doubt, this is Oregon State and Washington State we are talking about — i.e., public land-grant Carnegie R1 institutions with an established history of only wanting to compete athletically with schools having similar academic and research chops. 

 

 

Bad news then...they were punching above their weight academically in the P12.  WSU and OSU were the only P12 schools not in the AAU.

[Headbutt]

On 1/21/2024 at 4:25 PM, RSF said:

Bad news then...they were punching above their weight academically in the P12.  WSU and OSU were the only P12 schools not in the AAU.

True.  But don't tell them that.  Perception can be reality, and I do get the sense that they feel they have vast academic (and athletic) superiority to the MWC.  Sadly, a lot of MWC fans buy into that as well.

[Beaver-Poke]

On 1/21/2024 at 3:25 PM, RSF said:

Bad news then...they were punching above their weight academically in the P12.  WSU and OSU were the only P12 schools not in the AAU.

I'd take Cal back. I'd tell Stanford to GFY, you elitist bastards. 

There is no explanation for Oregon being in the AAU, at least over Oregon State. OSU is older, bigger, has triple or quadruple the annual research grant awards/research budget and is a land-, sea-, space- and sun-grant school, one of only 2 or 3 in the entire country. 

[818SUDSFan]

On 1/21/2024 at 3:31 PM, Headbutt said:

True.  But don't tell them that.  Perception can be reality, and I do get the sense that they feel they have vast academic (and athletic) superiority to the MWC.  Sadly, a lot of MWC fans buy into that as well.

Vast? No. Superior? Yes. It's pretty much all about football and despite being located in small cities, both have consistently had markedly higher attendance than SJSU, USU, Nevada, and UNM. Granted, their attendance numbers will be reduced by having to join the MWC but they figure to still remain 5K per game ahead of those four MWC schools. Also, Oregon State's baseball program is significantly better than anybody in the MWC. As for academics, USNWR rates the two as behind AFA and SDSU but about even with CSU and Hawaii and significantly superior to the other eight MWC schools.

[jdgaucho]

On 1/21/2024 at 4:52 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

I'd take Cal back. I'd tell Stanford to GFY, you elitist bastards. 

There is no explanation for Oregon being in the AAU, at least over Oregon State. OSU is older, bigger, has triple or quadruple the annual research grant awards/research budget and is a land-, sea-, space- and sun-grant school, one of only 2 or 3 in the entire country. 

 

You'd take those inept Berkeley bums back? You have more sympathy than most.

[Billings]

On 1/21/2024 at 4:52 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

I'd take Cal back. I'd tell Stanford to GFY, you elitist bastards. 

There is no explanation for Oregon being in the AAU, at least over Oregon State. OSU is older, bigger, has triple or quadruple the annual research grant awards/research budget and is a land-, sea-, space- and sun-grant school, one of only 2 or 3 in the entire country. 

Historically Oregon had ties to the medical school that OSU did not.  Thus more research $$