Conference Realignment thread

[renoskier]

On 11/28/2023 at 9:14 AM, OzzyOzz said:

All this opposition for wsu+OSU to be ineligible for the playoffs, even by non playoff eligible teams, is all well and good and fine and dandy but it has 1.5 years now to be decided in the courts. Direct exclusion if imposed and found to be unlawful will come with heavy penalties. Let a judge decide.

If that is the decision, then the NFL needs to be contacted by the MWC like right now. Give them all they want. 

And it's simply self disrespecting and quite embarrassing for those people who don't have their own spine to stick up for their own programs and not figures on a screen and facts on a field...

So stupid. They shouldn't be allowed to make bad faith remarks, or should be flagged...

It's ridiculous, everytime I come to this forum, it's a bunch of children that are making noise. They don't read the news or whatever, I tell them, they change it..I correct it. So just stop. 

I have yet to receive a penny for my efforts and I've helped. You all get paid to not help. You get paid to waste time. 

Fired. 

You will want to be in the playoffs because you aren't spineless cowards.

 

you okay?

[wolf from 73]

Not a good look for Glow or the league Presidents. We have no obligation to the 2 and the soon demise of the Pac-12. Our league schedule is disrupted and has to be reworked to the benefit of the 2. We get the same or less money than we would get had we scheduled any other P-5 game plus a hand hake agreement. They get time to collect all the money and assets of the Pac-12 to rebuild their league as they please including destabilizing other leagues in the process. Looks like one big fail for the MWC and its leadership.

[wolf from 73]

They have no intentions to join or merge with the MWC if they did there would be some sort of legal agreement to that effect. The fact that they were shopping other conference for a scheduling agreement shows their intent and that is to rebuild the Pac-12 by poaching schools from other leagues once they receive all the P-5 and Rose Bowl distribution after 2 years. This agreement will help them along at minimal cost.

[tahoe84]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:32 PM, wolf from 73 said:

Not a good look for Glow or the league Presidents. We have no obligation to the 2 and the soon demise of the Pac-12. Our league schedule is disrupted and has to be reworked to the benefit of the 2. We get the same or less money than we would get had we scheduled any other P-5 game plus a hand hake agreement. They get time to collect all the money and assets of the Pac-12 to rebuild their league as they please including destabilizing other leagues in the process. Looks like one big fail for the MWC and its leadership.

Spot on. There is no need to throw them in a life line that they'll likely try to use to strangle us with later!

[utenation]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:58 PM, wolf from 73 said:

They have no intentions to join or merge with the MWC if they did there would be some sort of legal agreement to that effect. The fact that they were shopping other conference for a scheduling agreement shows their intent and that is to rebuild the Pac-12 by poaching schools from other leagues once they receive all the P-5 and Rose Bowl distribution after 2 years. This agreement will help them along at minimal cost.

Yep. You guys just got bent over a barrel. 

This is why everything about realignment sucks to me. 

[jdgaucho]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:10 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

So what happens with the Olympic Sports?

 

TBD. 

[HR_Poke]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:32 PM, wolf from 73 said:

Not a good look for Glow or the league Presidents. We have no obligation to the 2 and the soon demise of the Pac-12. Our league schedule is disrupted and has to be reworked to the benefit of the 2. We get the same or less money than we would get had we scheduled any other P-5 game plus a hand hake agreement. They get time to collect all the money and assets of the Pac-12 to rebuild their league as they please including destabilizing other leagues in the process. Looks like one big fail for the MWC and its leadership.

Why would they drop all the protection provisions mentioned earlier? They weren't negotiating from a position of strength to force them to drop them.

[An Admirer from the East]

Gloria was feeling heat from within, guaranteed! The top tier of the MWC, six or 7 most likely to be invited to the PAC by a raid, BSU, Fresno, UNLV et al could have done indv scheduling alliances apart from the conference. They'd cancel a non-conf game(s) to schedule with OSU and/or WSU. Im sure she factored that in. How would it look if she was undercut by some of her own university members? She basically kicked the can down the field for a year or two and kept her league looking united for now.

[jdgaucho]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:25 PM, An Admirer from the East said:

Gloria was feeling heat from within, guaranteed! The top tier of the MWC, six or 7 most likely to be invited to the PAC by a raid, BSU, Fresno, UNLV et al could have done indv scheduling alliances apart from the conference. They'd cancel a non-conf game(s) to schedule with OSU and/or WSU. Im sure she factored that in. How would it look if she was undercut by some of her own university members? She basically kicked the can down the field for a year or two and kept her league looking united for now.

 

Sounds about right.  Tough balancing act.

[wolf from 73]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:09 PM, tahoe84 said:

Spot on. There is no need to throw them in a life line that they'll likely try to use to strangle us with later!

If what is being reported is true then we gained nothing to rework our schedule. Its insane because time was on our side and if we would have waited just a little longer we probably would have gotten what was best for our conference. Now we will have to play this game again in 2 years when they are in a stronger position and could blind-side us.

[wolf from 73]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:25 PM, An Admirer from the East said:

Gloria was feeling heat from within, guaranteed! The top tier of the MWC, six or 7 most likely to be invited to the PAC by a raid, BSU, Fresno, UNLV et al could have done indv scheduling alliances apart from the conference. They'd cancel a non-conf game(s) to schedule with OSU and/or WSU. Im sure she factored that in. How would it look if she was undercut by some of her own university members? She basically kicked the can down the field for a year or two and kept her league looking united for now.

I doubt it went down like that most likely it was pressure from some presidents to play nice and cut them a break because they are in a tough place. Presidents are not generally hard ball players but this might come back to haunt the conference.

[An Admirer from the East]

On 11/28/2023 at 4:43 PM, wolf from 73 said:

If what is being reported is true then we gained nothing to rework our schedule. Its insane because time was on our side and if we would have waited just a little longer we probably would have gotten what was best for our conference. Now we will have to play this game again in 2 years when they are in a stronger position and could blind-side us.

what makes you think the conference is really united behind the curtain???? Maybe the top tier wants to leave CSU, UNM, USU, UH SJSU in the dust. Im telling you Gloria didnt have as much leverage as you think. She got a fig leaf agreement that we wont raid you down the road lol.  The upper and lower tiers of the conference can live with this.

[utgrizfan]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:16 PM, HR_Poke said:

And no penalties for cherry picking teams

Surprised the Mountain West didn't have the  clause put in to ensure Cherry Picking wouldn't/couldn't happen. However the Montana Fan in me hopes there is some Cherry picking to give us a shot to move up.

[An Admirer from the East]

On 11/28/2023 at 4:48 PM, wolf from 73 said:

I doubt it went down like that most likely it was pressure from some presidents to play nice and cut them a break because they are in a tough place. Presidents are not generally hard ball players but this might come back to haunt the conference.

Remember Marlene Tromp filed a suit when MWC tried to end their special deal. These prez are not playing nice behind the scenes as we've seen. Conf realignment is cutthroat. Eat or be eaten. Each institution or a few together (Airport mtg) do what's in their best interest. Before Oklahoma wouldnt go anywhere without OSU....really????? UO and OSU and UW and WSU are fighting each other like hell. Smell the coffee bro.

[wolf from 73]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:50 PM, An Admirer from the East said:

what makes you think the conference is really united behind the curtain???? Maybe the top tier wants to leave CSU, UNM, USU, UH SJSU in the dust. Im telling you Gloria didnt have as much leverage as you think. She got a fig leaf agreement that we wont raid you down the road lol.  The upper and lower tiers of the conference can live with this.

We know they are not united or we would have gotten everything we wanted. There probably are some school presidents that still dream of a best of the rest but had they shown their hand this early in the game those that think they would be left out would have demanded stiff penalties for the Pac-2 poaching any MWC teams. That's why I say we will have to play this game again in 2 years when the Pac-2 and those with BOR dreams will be in a stronger position.

[utgrizfan]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:58 PM, wolf from 73 said:

We know they are not united or we would have gotten everything we wanted. There probably are some school presidents that still dream of a best of the rest but had they shown their hand this early in the game those that think they would be left out would have demanded stiff penalties for the Pac-2 poaching any MWC teams. That's why I say we will have to play this game again in 2 yearw when the Pac-2 and those with BOR dreams will be in a stronger position.

I think this may open up potential AAC Texas schools being poach targets as well, the fact there is no Cherry Picking prevention and they have 2 years receiving good chunks of change seems like taking the best of the rest is on the table once again. And if they're hoping at all to get a media deal that would convince schools to leave, they would have to target markets.

[Headbutt]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:43 PM, wolf from 73 said:

If what is being reported is true then we gained nothing to rework our schedule. Its insane because time was on our side and if we would have waited just a little longer we probably would have gotten what was best for our conference. Now we will have to play this game again in 2 years when they are in a stronger position and could blind-side us.

Well, we each got an additional $1.27 million, assuming Hawaii wasn't included since they're on a different TV contract but will get paid anyway.  That's for a one year adjustment.  We can complain about it, but we can't call it "nothing".

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:58 PM, wolf from 73 said:

They have no intentions to join or merge with the MWC if they did there would be some sort of legal agreement to that effect. The fact that they were shopping other conference for a scheduling agreement shows their intent and that is to rebuild the Pac-12 by poaching schools from other leagues once they receive all the P-5 and Rose Bowl distribution after 2 years. This agreement will help them along at minimal cost.

There’s got to be more to this we don’t know.

[Headbutt]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:02 PM, utgrizfan said:

I think this may open up potential AAC Texas schools being poach targets as well, the fact there is no Cherry Picking prevention and they have 2 years receiving good chunks of change seems like taking the best of the rest is on the table once again. And if they're hoping at all to get a media deal that would convince schools to leave, they would have to target markets.

They got nothing up front out of this deal financially.  Unlikely they'll get paid by the home team when they play the MWC either.  The understanding is a home and home, therefore it is usual for the home team to take all the proceeds and the visiting team to do the same next year.  Either way, that will be worked out on a per school level.  The twins are not getting paid by the MWC TV partners directly in this deal.

[akbballfan]

On 11/28/2023 at 10:31 AM, azgreg said:

 

Chick in front of conference=deals like this.