Conference Realignment thread

[OzzyOzz]

On 11/28/2023 at 7:52 AM, RSF said:

Except the AAC and MWC....

 

 

OTOH...that just indicates that NDSU would bring the value of a new MWC deal down.

if wsu doesn't retain playoffs eligibility they need to contact

@Seahawks

@Broncos

and

@Raiders

and tell them they will funnel recruits up quicker than the rest and skirt the cfb rules because they aren't included there. what are they going to do? kick them out?

 

 

[jewelz4562000]

Dellenger just added more details. Said it will be announced next week. 14 mill to MW. No contract to merge although there is expected intent of merger.  One year deal.

[utenation]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:44 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

The current AAC media deal with ESPN pays out $83.3 million per year.  It was signed in 2020 and originally set to expire in 2032.  When the AAC lost three of its most valuable members to the Big 12 and backfilled with six less valuable new members, ESPN didn't reduce the annual payout amount, but did make the AAC agree to push the expiration date out to 2034.  In effect, ESPN will get more content for a longer period of time without having to give the AAC a pay raise, while Aresco can claim with a semi-straight face that the AAC didn't take a pay cut.

Of course receiving the same annual payout with more members in the conference is a pay cut on a per-school basis.  Assuming Wichita State and Navy taken together receive the equivalent of one full share, the previous annual distribution was $6.94 million per school ($83.3 million split 12 ways) whereas the current distribution is $5.95 million per school ($83.3 million split 14 ways).  However as most folks know, the AAC isn't making equal distributions; instead the holdover schools have been spared from being given a haircut while the six newbies are getting less than equal shares.

Thank you.

[ripple effect]

On 11/28/2023 at 10:24 AM, jewelz4562000 said:

Dellenger just added more details. Said it will be announced next week. 14 mill to MW. No contract to merge although there is expected intent of merger.  One year deal.

Details.  Lots to chew on here...

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-oregon-state-washington-state-finalizing-scheduling-alliance-with-mountain-west-conference-180632163.html

Some snippets...

The remaining two members of the Pac-12 and the Mountain West are finalizing the long-talked about partnership with an announcement planned in the coming days. The agreement, for now just one season, is expected to include a fee of about $14 million paid to the Mountain West.

The alliance is built around what’s termed a “7+1” format where Mountain West teams play seven conference games — not eight — plus one game against either Washington State or Oregon State. There is an option to extend the deal to the 2025 season as well.

As for broadcasting rights, Mountain West home games against OSU and WSU will be televised in regular fashion by MWC TV partners Fox and CBS Sports Network. The league will keep the additional media rights revenue from those games to be distributed across the conference.

Oregon State and Washington State are likely to negotiate separate broadcasting agreements with those networks and potentially others to televise their own home games. The Pac-12’s TV deal with ESPN and Fox ends after this academic year.

For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. The two entities continue to explore a similar scheduling agreement for men’s and women’s basketball, though an agreement is likely weeks away. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports.

 

[azgreg]

 

[tahoe84]

I'm not sure I'm a fan of throwing the twins a life line like this. There better be protective and punitive clauses in any contract. I'm fine with no language about a merger, but they certainly can't poach any teams after we saved their a$$es.

[jewelz4562000]

Wish it at least had some say 28 mill or something if they don't merge. Pac has no leverage. WTF where they gonna do merge with Big Sky.  Should take adavantage

[OzzyOzz]

On 11/28/2023 at 10:24 AM, jewelz4562000 said:

Dellenger just added more details. Said it will be announced next week. 14 mill to MW. No contract to merge although there is expected intent of merger.  One year deal.

I mean their money is fine, that isn't my concern. It's that g5 P4 distinction..

And the wider social implications..

And as far as the safety of the game, that has always been a concern and it should be addressed. Perhaps later..

The other sports are interesting too, but it's not my concern either. Just do what was justified.

I'm glad there is an announcement that there will be an announcement..it's the cfb board and the ncaa announcements that matter to wsu/osu because the realigned pac is ostensibly in place already..

And who knows what total payouts will be..tv rights and NCAA credits and cfb sponsorships..the bottom line is either in the red or in the green..athletics is supposedly budgeted through the fed gvmnt somewhere so, you know..that's somewhere..

 

 

[wolf from 73]

 

Sources: Oregon State, Washington State finalizing scheduling alliance with Mountain West Conference

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-oregon-state-washington-state-finalizing-scheduling-alliance-with-mountain-west-conference-180632163.html

[alum93]

Scheduling agreement in place for 2024.  No merger in short term.  About what was expected for now.  

[alum93]

On 11/28/2023 at 11:42 AM, OzzyOzz said:

I mean their money is fine, that isn't my concern. It's that g5 P4 distinction..

And the wider social implications..

And as far as the safety of the game, that has always been a concern and it should be addressed. Perhaps later..

The other sports are interesting too, but it's not my concern either. Just do what was justified.

I'm glad there is an announcement that there will be an announcement..it's the cfb board and the ncaa announcements that matter to wsu/osu because the realigned pac is ostensibly in place already..

 

 

Well,  the MWC is a G5 conference.  So....  

[HR_Poke]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:31 PM, ripple effect said:

Details.  Lots to chew on here...

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-oregon-state-washington-state-finalizing-scheduling-alliance-with-mountain-west-conference-180632163.html

Some snippets...

The remaining two members of the Pac-12 and the Mountain West are finalizing the long-talked about partnership with an announcement planned in the coming days. The agreement, for now just one season, is expected to include a fee of about $14 million paid to the Mountain West.

The alliance is built around what’s termed a “7+1” format where Mountain West teams play seven conference games — not eight — plus one game against either Washington State or Oregon State. There is an option to extend the deal to the 2025 season as well.

As for broadcasting rights, Mountain West home games against OSU and WSU will be televised in regular fashion by MWC TV partners Fox and CBS Sports Network. The league will keep the additional media rights revenue from those games to be distributed across the conference.

Oregon State and Washington State are likely to negotiate separate broadcasting agreements with those networks and potentially others to televise their own home games. The Pac-12’s TV deal with ESPN and Fox ends after this academic year.

For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. The two entities continue to explore a similar scheduling agreement for men’s and women’s basketball, though an agreement is likely weeks away. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports.

 

Looks like we caved.

[utenation]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:09 PM, HR_Poke said:

Looks like we caved.

14 million seems low to me.  

[HR_Poke]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:13 PM, utenation said:

14 million seems low to me.  

And no penalties for cherry picking teams

[818SUDSFan]

On 11/27/2023 at 3:06 PM, Nevada Convert said:

The playoff folks have already notified the twins PAC-8 wouldn’t be eligible for the playoffs. Not sure about 10, but probably so. But I think a PAC-10 is fools gold. You might get a few better schools back east, but the travel cost just canceled out that marginally extra TV money. 

The best model is the reverse merger WITH MANDATORY MINIMUMS. Make schools invest in athletics or get booted. It’s better to develop western schools with more money. We need better western schools and that’s how you do it. SJSU now pays Brennan $1.5 mil per year now which a decent amount above SDSU. That’s amazing for SJSU which was always the worst. 

With that caveat, I agree. However, good luck getting the requisite number of votes to implement something like that.

[utenation]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:16 PM, HR_Poke said:

And no penalties for cherry picking teams

If the 2 are going to have control over future assets, which seems like a healthy number, 1 million per MWC team is low ball. 
 

So with the no penalty for cherry picking and this: 

“While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger”

It doesn’t seem like very firm footing for the MWC. Intent and handshakes don’t mean shit in this business. 

 

[HR_Poke]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:37 PM, utenation said:

If the 2 are going to have control over future assets,  which seems like a healthy number, 1 million per MWC team is low ball. 
 

So with the no penalty for cherry picking and this: 

“While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger”

It doesn’t seem like very firm footing for the MWC. Intent and handshakes don’t mean shit in this business. 

 

Should have told them to pound sand and generate some indy schedules for the next 2 years. 

[tahoe84]

On 11/28/2023 at 11:43 AM, HR_Poke said:

Should have told them to pound sand and generate some indy schedules for the next 2 years. 

100%

[An Admirer from the East]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:16 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

With that caveat, I agree. However, good luck getting the requisite number of votes to implement something like that.

First of all, Im sure Gloria has the votes. Second, consider that the top tier of the MWC, six or 7 most likely to be invited to the PAC by a raid, BSU, Fresno, UNLV et al could have done indv scheduling alliances apart from the conference. Im sure that Gloria factored that in so she wasnt holding all the cards either!!! 

[Gonzagafan2021]

So what happens with the Olympic Sports?