Conference Realignment thread

[utgrizfan]

More scuttlebutt on the claims OSU is supposedly refusing a scheduling alliance. Basically claims they have "5 Power Opponents, 6 G5 and 1 FCS team." 

I know they have Boise, Purdue and Idaho State scheduled, the only way I could see them getting more Power schools would be if they reach out to the 4 Corners, in state teams, Calford and USCLA as they all have shifting schedules. Overall though I find it doubtful.

https://twitter.com/TheDigitalDam/status/1725192633352667235?t=00xghWWVhtQWxyr7I434lw&s=19

Also some interesting comments from OSU faithful on one of their forums:

https://bennyshouse.com/thread/25325/more-unsubstantiated-rumors?page=1

 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 11/14/2023 at 4:18 PM, utenation said:

OU 2.17 mill

Kansas 1.45

OSU 1.21

K State 531K

WVU 409K

Cincy 264K

Baylor 340K

Kent State 317K

Boise 306K

 

Some of these games aren't like the others. I'm going with OU, Kansas and OSU fans carrying your ratings in 3 games. What are we left with? Terrible numbers across the board and a true reflection of your normal eyeballs.

This represents a clear dichotomy in espn/abc vs fs1/2.  Given the bad time slots overall I’ll take an 890k/game average this year so far.  Last year in the AAC we averaged 690k, year before with more weeknight prime time ESPN games we averaged 1.1m/game.  Your approach is too simplistic.  

We’re doing fine either way, it will be interesting to see what you pull next year when you’re given the fs2 10am mtn time treatment.  Obviously you’re enjoying the low content availability/high visibility channels and times while you can get them, good for you! You’re still a regional team that’s benefiting from no competition and good visibility, like we did in the AAC basically but with better opponents that brought your average up.  No hate here, just get ready for that to change for you.  

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 4:51 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

This represents a clear dichotomy in espn/abc vs fs1/2.  Given the bad time slots overall I’ll take an 890k/game average this year so far.  Last year in the AAC we averaged 690k, year before with more weeknight prime time ESPN games we averaged 1.1m/game.  Your approach is too simplistic.  

We’re doing fine either way, it will be interesting to see what you pull next year when you’re given the fs2 10am mtn time treatment.  Obviously you’re enjoying the low content availability/high visibility channels and times while you can get them, good for you! You’re still a regional team that’s benefiting from no competition and good visibility, like we did in the AAC basically but with better opponents that brought your average up.  No hate here, just get ready for that to change for you.  

So your average is 890k? Is that UCF/woosh math? 
 

lol at you trying to cherry pick games in 2022 to bring up your stinky numbers. 
 

Lil’ buddy, you need to stop on this one. You lost 4 rounds ago with this embarrassing debate. 
 

Just remember, Utah would NEVER schedule you by choice and go to your shitbox stadium. 
 

 

[BSUTOP25]

On 11/17/2023 at 7:58 AM, utenation said:

So your average is 890k? Is that UCF/woosh math? 
 

lol at you trying to cherry pick games in 2022 to bring up your stinky numbers. 
 

Lil’ buddy, you need to stop on this one. You lost 4 rounds ago with this embarrassing debate. 
 

Just remember Utah would NEVER schedule you by choice and go to your shitbox stadium. 
 

 

 

UCF does get a ton of coverage on “East Coast” SportsCenter however. 

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 8:00 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

UCF does get a ton of coverage on “East Coast” SportsCenter however. 

Oh yeah, I remember that. Didn’t UCF have a contract with ESPN for SportsCenter coverage? 
 

Including hiring UCF interns and grads. When Miami, Florida State and Florida got wind of it, they went right to the governor to complain. All he said was let the big dog eat. 

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 8:00 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

UCF does get a ton of coverage on “East Coast” SportsCenter however. 

The reason UCF gets so much ESPN coverage on the East Coast is because apparently they fight off massive West Coast Bias. 
 

Last year UCF’s offense was finally “turned loose” and they turned into Alabama and Michigan. I’m shocked they didn’t turn the offense loose much sooner. Saving the best for last I guess. 
 

On 10/15/2022 at 8:21 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

PAC is still benefiting from preseason west coast bias, which will always make you look better in the first half of the season.  It fades annually like clockwork for the PAC.  But seriously, good luck against USC future conference mate. The Massey composite trends are tightening between the PAC and ACC for fourth/fifth place. And 3/4 of the new adds are top 25 caliber teams.  The other would be the best basketball school in the PAC.  

By the way, don’t think UCF is meh anymore.  I’m stunned myself but now that our offense has been let loose we’re one of only three schools in the country with both a top 15 defense and offense (Alabama and Michigan).  

And our Space Game uni’s are the best this year.

 

[Chalsean]

On 11/17/2023 at 12:46 AM, utgrizfan said:

More scuttlebutt on the claims OSU is supposedly refusing a scheduling alliance. Basically claims they have "5 Power Opponents, 6 G5 and 1 FCS team." 

I know they have Boise, Purdue and Idaho State scheduled, the only way I could see them getting more Power schools would be if they reach out to the 4 Corners, in state teams, Calford and USCLA as they all have shifting schedules. Overall though I find it doubtful.

https://twitter.com/TheDigitalDam/status/1725192633352667235?t=00xghWWVhtQWxyr7I434lw&s=19

Also some interesting comments from OSU faithful on one of their forums:

https://bennyshouse.com/thread/25325/more-unsubstantiated-rumors?page=1

 

Honestly more power to them if they can land somewhere better.  Don't fault them for trying.  MWC is stable..  it would be nice if they came/merged but our survival is hardly dependent upon it.

[BSUTOP25]

On 11/17/2023 at 8:42 AM, utenation said:

The reason UCF gets so much ESPN coverage on the East Coast is because apparently they fight off massive West Coast Bias. 
 

Last year UCF’s offense was finally “turned loose” and they turned into Alabama and Michigan. I’m shocked they didn’t turn the offense loose much sooner. Saving the best for last I guess. 
 

 

lol - back in like 2019, he was trying to claim that “East Coast” SportsCenter had some long rant about how Boise got a very generous spot that allowed them to beat someone. What Woosh didn’t realize is that I lived in Boston at the time and was watching the exact same SportsCenter segment. The ESPN crew didn’t even reference it. He flat out made that shit up.

[wolf from 73]

On 11/17/2023 at 7:56 AM, Chalsean said:

Honestly more power to them if they can land somewhere better.  Don't fault them for trying.  MWC is stable..  it would be nice if they came/merged but our survival is hardly dependent upon it.

I don't think that's true, it comes from a realtor that runs the Blitz. She claims to have insider info and probably does but that 6-G, 5-P and 1FCS fits with what is being reported about the MWC scheduling alliance with the Pac-2.  The 6-G being MWC games for each of the Pac-2. The news about the scheduling alliance comes from multiple outlets. 1 is Yahoo Sports Ross Dellenger and another that claims to have spoken to insiders is the AP Sports. The realtor also claims that OSU and WS might wait 2 years for the MWC exit fees to go away and we all know that is not the case.

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 9:54 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

lol - back in like 2019, he was trying to claim that “East Coast” SportsCenter had some long rant about how Boise got a very generous spot that allowed them to beat someone. What Woosh didn’t realize is that I lived in Boston at the time and was watching the exact same SportsCenter segment he was. The ESPN crew didn’t even reference it. He flat out made that shit up.

For sure, like I said, I remember that. You and halfman bulldozed him. 
 

@Did I hear a WOOSH?’s Wall of Shame is endless. 

[Billings]

On 11/16/2023 at 11:46 PM, utgrizfan said:

More scuttlebutt on the claims OSU is supposedly refusing a scheduling alliance. Basically claims they have "5 Power Opponents, 6 G5 and 1 FCS team." 

I know they have Boise, Purdue and Idaho State scheduled, the only way I could see them getting more Power schools would be if they reach out to the 4 Corners, in state teams, Calford and USCLA as they all have shifting schedules. Overall though I find it doubtful.

https://twitter.com/TheDigitalDam/status/1725192633352667235?t=00xghWWVhtQWxyr7I434lw&s=19

Also some interesting comments from OSU faithful on one of their forums:

https://bennyshouse.com/thread/25325/more-unsubstantiated-rumors?page=1

 

As Wolf mentioned, She is also the one who says the MWC exit fees go away and is totally wrong on that. She is also hanging on PAC keeping an autobid with only 2 teams.  I am dubious   Time will tell

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 4:51 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

 

We’re doing fine either way, it will be interesting to see what you pull next year when you’re given the fs2 10am mtn time treatment.  

Be careful trying to polish your turd numbers. Eventually all shit smears. 
 

My guess is, 80% of your games next year are on ESPN+ given your disastrous numbers this year. 
 

You have the mental range of a windshield wiper. 

[HR_Poke]

On 11/17/2023 at 12:46 AM, utgrizfan said:

More scuttlebutt on the claims OSU is supposedly refusing a scheduling alliance. Basically claims they have "5 Power Opponents, 6 G5 and 1 FCS team." 

I know they have Boise, Purdue and Idaho State scheduled, the only way I could see them getting more Power schools would be if they reach out to the 4 Corners, in state teams, Calford and USCLA as they all have shifting schedules. Overall though I find it doubtful.

https://twitter.com/TheDigitalDam/status/1725192633352667235?t=00xghWWVhtQWxyr7I434lw&s=19

Also some interesting comments from OSU faithful on one of their forums:

https://bennyshouse.com/thread/25325/more-unsubstantiated-rumors?page=1

 

Some arrogant beaver fans on there.  One good season in football and they act like they are Alabama

[RSF]

On 11/17/2023 at 11:51 AM, utenation said:

Be careful trying to polish your turd numbers. Eventually all shit smears. 
 

My guess is, 80% of your games next year are on ESPN+ given your disastrous numbers this year. 
 

You have the mental range of a windshield wiper. 

Should we tell him y'all played a 10am MT game this year (on the road vs Baylor)?  Of course, it was on ESPN.

[utenation]

On 11/17/2023 at 10:56 AM, RSF said:

Should we tell him y'all played a 10am MT game this year (on the road vs Baylor)?  Of course, it was on ESPN.

The way Woosh makes it sound, UCF is 9-1 rather than 5-5 and at the bottom of the B12. 
 

It won’t be long now before UCF has their own exclusive TV contact with NBC, kicking Notre Dame to the curb. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 11/17/2023 at 9:27 AM, Billings said:

As Wolf mentioned, She is also the one who says the MWC exit fees go away and is totally wrong on that. She is also hanging on PAC keeping an autobid with only 2 teams.  I am dubious   Time will tell

With an expansion of playoff spots, a reduction of bids is defamatory to the legacy of at least I'd say the Pac 2 and I'd imagine to the legacy of any college that wants to participate in student athletics, which was the point of college football expansion.

If damages need to be sought, then that's where the money they keep on talking about will come from.

So, they may say as they wish but in 2 years there might be 16 bids up for discussion but in the twelve spots/bids cfb years, excluding programs from the get go is a non starter. 

It's the same question over and over again. Good faith and good will or ego and reputation. The sports are there to decide, so time will tell and chance and fate will resolve itself in wins and losses as usual.

I don't even know how many losses I can watch in a row..but that matter was settled. 

A reductionist model goes to about 64 pro affiliated programs. If WSU can't make that cut then that's that. I'd like their chances, obviously, but what do I know?

An expansionist model is already in the legal framework and can be argued in front of any court over the next 2 years. Those bids have already been written, and should be (expanded?) to include not just the remaining Pac 2 but the 6+ other programs that get the qualification back regardless in 2 years pending win/losses. To be decided by the exPac in apparently imposed good faith and good will..

Because they have proven themselves to be at a conflict of interests..

And in the meantime, they have to figure out their meantime. It's 2 years. 

It was always going to be 16 after 12. Sooner rather than later. Obviously.

They just don't know to what/when/where/how/who to announce their confused notions.

And it is not my place to provide less confusion..

Im unfortunately just watching today too lol

The real fallout is that about 60+ number and good programs that just won't make it because it is unfair. Sports, I mean..

[Chalsean]

On 11/17/2023 at 11:47 AM, OzzyOzz said:

With an expansion of playoff spots, a reduction of bids is defamatory to the legacy of at least I'd say the Pac 2 and I'd imagine to the legacy of any college that wants to participate in student athletics, which was the point of college football expansion.

If damages need to be sought, then that's where the money they keep on talking about will come from.

So, they may say as they wish but in 2 years there might be 16 bids up for discussion but in the twelve spots/bids cfb years, excluding programs from the get go is a non starter. 

It's the same question over and over again. Good faith and good will or ego and reputation. The sports are there to decide, so time will tell and chance and fate will resolve itself in wins and losses as usual.

I don't even know how many losses I can watch in a row..but that matter was settled. 

A reductionist model goes to about 64 pro affiliated programs. If WSU can't make that cut then that's that. I'd like their chances, obviously, but what do I know?

An expansionist model is already in the legal framework and can be argued in front of any court over the next 2 years. Those bids have already been written, and should be (expanded?) to include not just the remaining Pac 2 but the 6+ other programs that get the qualification back regardless in 2 years pending win/losses. To be decided by the exPac in apparently imposed good faith and good will..

Because they have proven themselves to be at a conflict of interests..

And in the meantime, they have to figure out their meantime. It's 2 years. 

It was always going to be 16 after 12. Sooner rather than later. Obviously.

They just don't know to what/when/where/how/who to announce their confused notions.

And it is not my place to provide less confusion..

Im unfortunately just watching today too lol

The real fallout is that about 60+ number and good programs that just won't make it because it is unfair. Sports, I mean..

[Spaztecs]

On 11/16/2023 at 4:16 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

I wonder what Hawaii's attitude towards WOSU is.  Because...

 

... OSU, for example, will need a new home for men's soccer.  The Big West or WCC would fit that bill.  

A scheduling alliance, if not outright addition for baseball, would be fruitful for all sides too.

 

Four MW Schools sponsor Mens Soccer. Air Force, San Jose, and Vegas play in the WAC. SDSU plays in the Pac. It makes sense for OSU and SDSU to move their soccer programs into the WAC.

 

At least until they can find some other Schools to play in the MW or get more MW Schools to sponsor Mens Soccer.

[jdgaucho]

On 11/17/2023 at 7:38 PM, Spaztecs said:

Four MW Schools sponsor Mens Soccer. Air Force, San Jose, and Vegas play in the WAC. SDSU plays in the Pac. It makes sense for OSU and SDSU to move their soccer programs into the WAC.

 

At least until they can find some other Schools to play in the MW or get more MW Schools to sponsor Mens Soccer.

 

Makes sense for SDSU.  I'd counter with OSU will want to cut down travel expenses.  Road games at Air Force, UR-RGV and Utah Valley and Utah Tech ain't going to help with that.

We'll see.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:09 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Where’s the money to pick schools from the MWC for a new PAC coming from?

It doesn't matter. The MW has insisted upon a large financial penalty if they cherry pick Schools.

That or no scheduling agreement.