Conference Realignment thread

[jdgaucho]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:31 AM, utenation said:

To me, this sounds like a win for the MWC. Wondering what the "lucrative financial package to the MWC" will entail? For now, this is a football only agreement. 

"For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports."

 

Doesn't it make sense to have an alliance with the MWC in hoops too? The MWC is a good conference in hoops as well.  Are you going to go with the WCC? Other than Gonzaga and St Mary's, this conference is small time. 

 

Hoops will be a mishmash of regional scheduling. The exploration for other sports are likely the ones which won't have a Pac Mountain home. 

Beaver men's soccer to the Big West,  rowing and OSU rowing to the AAC, wrestling to the B1G, gymnastics to MPSF, something along those lines.

[soupslam1]

https://sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.html

[Spaztecs]

This is good news for all MW Schools. There are financial penalties if OS-WSU try to cherry pick MW Schools for the new Pac. It's an all or nothing deal on merger matters.

 

Four Schools, Boise, Fresno, Sparty, and SUDS will play both Pac Schools as they already have one game scheduled in the next two years.

SDSU has already cancelled/rescheduled their game against Portland State to add OSU to their schedule next year. They play Cal, OSU, and Wazzu OOC next year.

[SangerBulldog]

Honestly this is the best for both WS/OS and the MW. I really do hope there's a merger of some sorts and every single MW team will be part of it. Looks like there's a penalty of some sorts if the remaining pac teams don't take the whole MW if there's a merger in the future. 

[SangerBulldog]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:54 AM, Spaztecs said:

This is good news for all MW Schools. There are financial penalties if OS-WSU try to cherry pick MW Schools for the new Pac. It's an all or nothing deal on merger matters.

SDSU has already cancelled/rescheduled their game against Portland State to add OSU to their schedule next year. They play Cal, OSU, and Wazzu OOC next year.

Solid OOC schedule 

[utenation]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:44 AM, jdgaucho said:

 

Hoops will be a mishmash of regional scheduling.

Putting a 30 game hodge podge schedule together with different conferences seems dumb to me. It's only 2 years I guess.  But scheduling isn't easy last minute. 

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 11/16/2023 at 7:31 AM, utenation said:

To me, this sounds like a win for the MWC. Wondering what the "lucrative financial package to the MWC" will entail? For now, this is a football only agreement. 

"For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports."

 

Doesn't it make sense to have an alliance with the MWC in hoops too? The MWC is a good conference in hoops as well.  Are you going to go with the WCC? Other than Gonzaga and St Mary's, this conference is small time. 

The fact that OSU and WSU aren’t seeking affiliate memberships in the MWC for non-football sports makes no sense to me.  Why opt to split football and basketball affiliations?  I don’t see how that would benefit them financially or help them in their effort to keep the Pac alive.

Of course side agreements would make sense for niche sports the MWC doesn’t sponsor, but there are only a handful of those.

The only reason I can think of is that they might prefer the WCC for non-football sports because travel would be the cheapest in that conference.  OSU is a natural travel partner for Portland, and WSU is a natural travel partner for Gonzga, and all of their competitions would be in the Pacific time zone.  But it’s not a good long-term play unless the two schools are considering doing a reverse-merger of the Pac with the WCC instead of the MWC… which makes no sense because that would cause the Pac to lose its status as an FBS conference.

 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:55 AM, SangerBulldog said:

Solid OOC schedule 

SUDS will be 0-4 before the end of September 2024 with that schedule.

[utgrizfan]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:57 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

The fact that OSU and WSU aren’t seeking affiliate memberships in the MWC for non-football sports makes no sense to me.  Why opt for split affiliations?  I don’t see how that would benefit them financially or help them in their effort to keep the Pac alive.

This along with exploring other G5 Conferences its seeming more and more that they really don't want to merge with the entire MWC. Their only other options would be to buy their way into the Big12 or cherry pick teams from the MWC and other Conferences, both of which don't seem very feasible.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:35 PM, RSF said:

No conferences have dates set yet except the B10. And we know, for instance, that the SEC has OOC games throughout their season, so it is doable.  The bigger issue is teams with availability.

It's doable.

Thr MW schedule makers will earn some OT pay this spring.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:40 PM, Brew_Poke said:

You think a lot of October and November slots will be available?

The schedule makers will make it happen.

Many Schools will be playing Conference games in September.

[utgrizfan]

On 11/16/2023 at 11:03 AM, Spaztecs said:

The schedule makers will make it happen.

Many Schools will be playing Conference games in September.

According to the article there would only be 7 Conference games for MWC teams the next 2 years, meaning everyone will trade 1 for a game vs WSU or OSU, makes it much easier to schedule the games at any point during the year.

[SharkTanked]

On 11/16/2023 at 8:23 AM, SparkysDad said:

Punitive clauses for potential cherry-picking of MWC teams as well.

Weird. Seems that's already there in the form of exit fees.

[WAC_FAN]

Men's Basketball is a required sport to be a conference--you must sponsor it if you're going to be a D1 conference.  They may not get an auto-bid due to the number of teams, but it's like football to where they can't be just an affiliate member of another conference and not sponsor it.  They need a scheduling alliance.

[WAC_FAN]

On 11/16/2023 at 12:09 PM, SharkTanked said:

Weird. Seems that's already there in the form of exit fees.

This is for WSU and OSU not the MWC teams.  So WSU and OSU pay a fee in addition to the leaving MWC schools paying a fee.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:24 AM, jdgaucho said:

 

Yup.  So now that's seemingly settled, what happens with WOSU basketball?

The same.

The MW and Pac2 schedule makers will earn their money over the next two years. It's not hard for the MW to schedule the Pac2 into Jan and Feb slots.

[jdgaucho]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:56 AM, utenation said:

Putting a 30 game hodge podge schedule together with different conferences seems dumb to me. It's only 2 years I guess.  But scheduling isn't easy last minute. 

 

I'm only guessing at this point.  

[SharkTanked]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:10 AM, WAC_FAN said:

This is for WSU and OSU not the MWC teams.  So WSU and OSU pay a fee in addition to the leaving MWC schools paying a fee.

Still seems weird. Ostensibly, it seems WSU and OSU would be paying at least a portion of any MWC team's exit fee in the form of PAC assets. I guess it ensures the pound of flesh is delivered though.

[utgrizfan]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:58 AM, Spaztecs said:

SUDS will be 0-4 before the end of September 2024 with that schedule.

I'd say it depends on what coach you get along with the hype, the transfers, system and skill he brings. You could at least beat CAL

[godogsgo]

So basically giving away the milk without buying the cow…