Conference Realignment thread

[Someone Else]

33 minutes ago, Brew_Poke said:

SDSU is so thirsty they'd go for less money than they make here. It's a clown show.

Why do you think it would be less money?  Couldn't it be more based on the schools that end up in the conference?

[Fowl]

On 11/15/2023 at 8:21 PM, Headbutt said:

Hmmm?  A chance to replace Portland State with OSU?  Now why in the hell would any team do that?  Working out some sort of schedule alliance isn't all in the Pac2's favor.

This is a massive departure from tradition.  SDSU for well over a decade from Sterk and now Wicker has had a hard policy of scheduling OOC as 1 FCS (usually the first game), 1 G5 H/H, and 2 P5's H/H.  Not only historically but also into future schedules.  2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029 are all set that way as is 2031.

We always have an FCS game - usually to begin the season.  To first cancel the FCS game and then do so knowing there's going to be a whole new staff coming in is really shocking to me and well out of Wicker's M.O.  Particularly since Wicker has been adamant about having that specific OOC set up so that SDSU has six home games one year and then seven the next year because of the revenue the stadium generates which is more substantial than a buy game with a blue blood.  That's all due to scheduling FCS schools every year.  Without an FCS game, SDSU never gets seven home games in a season.

[Headbutt]

On 11/15/2023 at 10:36 PM, Fowl said:

This is a massive departure from tradition.  SDSU for well over a decade from Sterk and now Wicker has had a hard policy of scheduling OOC as 1 FCS (usually the first game), 1 G5 H/H, and 2 P5's H/H.  Not only historically but also into future schedules.  2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029 are all set that way as is 2031.

We always have an FCS game - usually to begin the season.  To first cancel the FCS game and then do so knowing there's going to be a whole new staff coming in is really shocking to me and well out of Wicker's M.O.  Particularly since Wicker has been adamant about having that specific OOC set up so that SDSU has six home games one year and then seven the next year because of the revenue the stadium generates which is more substantial than a buy game with a blue blood.  That's all due to scheduling FCS schools every year.  Without an FCS game, SDSU never gets seven home games in a season.

Ummm, you replaced your home game against an FCS with a home game against OSU.  I'm not seeing where the stadium revenue takes a hit.

[Fowl]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:39 PM, Headbutt said:

Ummm, you replaced your home game against an FCS with a home game against OSU.  I'm not seeing where the stadium revenue takes a hit.

It's likely to be a H/H unless SDSU is paying OSU to come for a one and done or OSU is already hard up enough that they are giving up getting paid for a one and done just to get opponents which could be conceivable.  However, the language that Wicker has used to describe the situation made me feel like it was a H/H.  Who knows though it could be a one and done.

[Headbutt]

On 11/15/2023 at 10:44 PM, Fowl said:

It's likely to be a H/H unless SDSU is paying OSU to come for a one and done or OSU is already hard up enough that they are giving up getting paid for a one and done just to get opponents which could be conceivable.  However, the language that Wicker has used to describe the situation made me feel like it was a H/H.  Who knows though it could be a one and done.

Probably a H/H.  I'm not seeing the problem.

[OzzyOzz]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:12 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Much as some fans of MWC schools will argue to the contrary, if OSU/WSU emerge victorious over the P-10 in court, they have very little to lose by being a P-2 in 2024-2025. What will be very interesting will be whether in the coming months Nevarez as MWC commissioner (at least temporarily) will be able to persuade all her 12 bosses to put together an offer to OSU/WSU that will dissuade the two from trying to steal 6-9 current MWC members.

Although I don't see anybody discussing it right now, it's not inconceivable that a deal could be worked out to allow 6 MWC schools to leave while making it financially favorable for the other 6 to let them go.

I mean, everyone's preferences are being shaped by ongoing events. 

It's those who can actually decide things that need to. 

Preferences aside, outcomes are what matters. 

idk but state grant universities up to the limit, plus those that make sense, as Wyoming Montana CSU SDSU Fresno Hawaii UNLV Reno+Pac 2 + (if they'd take money or if it isn't a conflict of interests as decided by the ex Pac) ... 1 semi permanent invitational bid to be reexamined in 2 years(?) if status is not preserved as per CFB/NCAA/tv/public  + 1 permanent invitational position (FB only) to continue the pacs mandate, as feasibly as possible..

If it is not a permanent situation then an NFL g league can be pursued by anyone at any time..and what matters is playoffs spots, national exposure, and national titles..

The theoretical programs still need non theoretical answers lol

And time is in the framework for that to be granted. idk how money and viewership and tv rights work..

And the invitational spot model can be scaled down to include all MWC schools+more-the academies unfortunately...

None of these are my decisions but outcomes of the process can be surmised if they want it to work..

Or if they care enough to make it work now. 

The feasibility study is probably boring lol

idk the pacific conference has long not been working, so they went east lol

the football on the field is messy too who knows lol, I'm just watching

How they rank conferences who knows for wsu it'd be Hawks broncos chiefs, Alaska, Canada, Hawaii, Cali and recruiting of course shifts all over the middle of the country too...

But there are more cfb spots in all this. Not less. I wonder what a court would say about all that?

Which bag are people holding anyway lol because some cfb programs are basically dying soon I mean the sport itself is a different conversation too, so I mean, the court had already set roles now and I honestly think that the fallout is basically over for the Pac2 now..pending you know, them..but next year the games will begin about all this elsewhere lol..

Already have in a way..

No clue where the discussion actually is though..

Do they want others to forget the appeals or not? Fair play is the problem I guess..

 

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:48 PM, Headbutt said:

Probably a H/H.  I'm not seeing the problem.

What I think he’s saying is they want to go to a 7 home game schedule. Schools that normally schedule FCS one & done’s also often schedule one & done pay day P5 games. Those two cancel out for 6 home games.

However, if you schedule an FCS game and 3 one & one’s every year, you’ll have 7 home games and get that extra revenue he was talking about. Dumping the FCS games fvcks up the chance for 7. 

[Brew_Poke]

On 11/15/2023 at 10:16 PM, Someone Else said:

Why do you think it would be less money?  Couldn't it be more based on the schools that end up in the conference?

Went over your head. Would.

[alum93]

On 11/15/2023 at 11:08 PM, OzzyOzz said:

I mean, everyone's preferences are being shaped by ongoing events. 

It's those who can actually decide things that need to. 

Preferences aside, outcomes are what matters. 

idk but state grant universities up to the limit, plus those that make sense, as Wyoming Montana CSU SDSU Fresno Hawaii UNLV Reno+Pac 2 + (if they'd take money or if it isn't a conflict of interests as decided by the ex Pac) ... 1 semi permanent invitational bid to be reexamined in 2 years(?) if status is not preserved as per CFB/NCAA/tv/public  + 1 permanent invitational position (FB only) to continue the pacs mandate, as feasibly as possible..

If it is not a permanent situation then an NFL g league can be pursued by anyone at any time..and what matters is playoffs spots, national exposure, and national titles..

The theoretical programs still need non theoretical answers lol

And time is in the framework for that to be granted. idk how money and viewership and tv rights work..

And the invitational spot model can be scaled down to include all MWC schools+more-the academies unfortunately...

None of these are my decisions but outcomes of the process can be surmised if they want it to work..

Or if they care enough to make it work now. 

The feasibility study is probably boring lol

idk the pacific conference has long not been working, so they went east lol

the football on the field is messy too who knows lol, I'm just watching

How they rank conferences who knows for wsu it'd be Hawks broncos chiefs, Alaska, Canada, Hawaii, Cali and recruiting of course shifts all over the middle of the country too...

But there are more cfb spots in all this. Not less. I wonder what a court would say about all that?

Which bag are people holding anyway lol because some cfb programs are basically dying soon I mean the sport itself is a different conversation too, so I mean, the court had already set roles now and I honestly think that the fallout is basically over for the Pac2 now..pending you know, them..but next year the games will begin about all this elsewhere lol..

Already have in a way..

No clue where the discussion actually is though..

Do they want others to forget the appeals or not? Fair play is the problem I guess..

 

Say what?

[Someone Else]

1 hour ago, Brew_Poke said:

Went over your head. Would.

Just trying to be balanced here.  

No one, including SDSU, would move for less money in the long term.

 

 

[Swedish]

Looks like it's going to be a 2 year scheduling agreement with OSU and WSU and an eventual merger after that according to Yahoo Sports.

[TheLostSock]

It's going to appeals but I'm glad, so far, OSU/WSU have won their legal case.

Any PAC 2 fans on here have any opinions on the pseudo merger? 

[SparkysDad]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:12 AM, Swedish said:

Looks like it's going to be a 2 year scheduling agreement with OSU and WSU and an eventual merger after that according to Yahoo Sports.

Punitive clauses for potential cherry-picking of MWC teams as well.

[jdgaucho]

On 11/16/2023 at 8:12 AM, Swedish said:

Looks like it's going to be a 2 year scheduling agreement with OSU and WSU and an eventual merger after that according to Yahoo Sports.

 

Yup.  So now that's seemingly settled, what happens with WOSU basketball?

[Swedish]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:23 AM, SparkysDad said:

Punitive clauses for potential cherry-picking of MWC teams as well.

What I don't understand is why not join the MW for Olympic sports right a way? The article made it seem like they will be looking at other conferences for their olympic sports. Weird.

[jdgaucho]

On 11/16/2023 at 8:26 AM, Swedish said:

What I don't understand is why not join the MW for Olympic sports right a way? The article made it seem like they will be looking at other conferences for their olympic sports. Weird.

 

There are several sports they sponsor that will need a new home as the new league won't have enough members for an auto bid.  WSU rowing and OSU rowing, wrestling, gymnastics and men's soccer. 

[wolf from 73]

 

Oregon State, Washington State moving forward with future plans after victory in court

 

Ross Dellenger

Senior College Football Reporter

Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 7:00 AM PST·6 min read

https://sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.html

[dshawfan]

On 11/15/2023 at 4:31 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Things are a dumpster fire in Provo.  Talking truth isn’t taking a shot.  BYU’s been here before though.  They’ll figure it out.  My bigger concern is Sitake not living up to the recruiting hype he brought with him to BYU.  They have to figure that out first and foremost.  I know they recently hired a ton of recruiting staff and have put a lot more resources into it so hoping it pays dividends.  
 

BYU’s recruiting pool is what it is.  I’ve always said the BigXII wouldn’t make it substantially bigger.  I did think the BigXII would help BYU start landing more top level LDS talent, but that hasn’t happened either so far.  There was a decent bump the last class or two but nowhere near enough.  NIL has changed the game so who knows how much impact that has here too.

The Church hasn't started an NIL fund like the PEF? 

[utenation]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:50 AM, wolf from 73 said:

 

Oregon State, Washington State moving forward with future plans after victory in court

 

Ross Dellenger

Senior College Football Reporter

Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 7:00 AM PST·6 min read

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.html

To me, this sounds like a win for the MWC. Wondering what the "lucrative financial package to the MWC" will entail? For now, this is a football only agreement. 

"For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports."

 

Doesn't it make sense to have an alliance with the MWC in hoops too? The MWC is a good conference in hoops as well.  Are you going to go with the WCC? Other than Gonzaga and St Mary's, this conference is small time. 

[utenation]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:19 AM, dshawfan said:

The Church hasn't started an NIL fund like the PEF? 

BYU has homer/grad Ryan Smith(Jazz owner) circle jerking the Cougars at every turn possible.  This man has more money than he knows what to do with. I'm not sure why he doesn't have some big time collective in place. He might have something going on that I don't know about.  

In Northern Utah County and Southern SL County, the area is known as the silicone slopes. Lots of money in this area to tap into and a lot of BYU homers. BYU should be able to be competitive in this arena IMO.