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On 11/15/2023 at 3:32 PM, utenation said:

Did you mean Cal and Stanford? To the ACC?

Nope.

 

Arizona screwed up the university budget and are short $250 million.  There will be deep cuts across the board.  Academic and Athletics.  Huge mess.  They want to give the FB coach a raise but in the environment they face it is a tough sell.

 

https://fox2now.com/sports/sports-illustrated/3fb14bcc/university-of-arizona-considers-cutting-sports-teams-amid-240m-shortage/

 

From the article.  "Johann Rafelski, a physics professor at the school, urged Robbins to consider selling the athletics department to an outside vendor, which Robbins noted that he has considered in the past. Doing so, Rafelski added, could help the athletic department turn a profit."

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On 11/15/2023 at 4:37 PM, Billings said:

Nope.

 

Arizona screwed up the university budget and are short $250 million.  There will be deep cuts across the board.  Academic and Athletics.  Huge mess.  They want to give the FB coach a raise but in the environment they face it is a tough sell.

 

https://fox2now.com/sports/sports-illustrated/3fb14bcc/university-of-arizona-considers-cutting-sports-teams-amid-240m-shortage/

 

From the article.  "Johann Rafelski, a physics professor at the school, urged Robbins to consider selling the athletics department to an outside vendor, which Robbins noted that he has considered in the past. Doing so, Rafelski added, could help the athletic department turn a profit."

Yikes. I didn’t know this.  That’s terrible. My post was referring to revenue shares from the respective conferences. 
 

This one will leave a mark. 

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On 11/14/2023 at 11:26 PM, Someone Else said:

I probably shouldn't ask this question because I didn't read exactly what the judge said but it seems to me that if the judge said OSU/WSU are the only voting members then they should be able to decide what to do with the money.... it would be the same as if only two schools left... if the P10 had stayed intact then USC & UCLA would have left any money they had coming to them behind... they wouldn't have had to be treated "fairly" since they left, right?

So why do OSU & WSU have to treat the 10 who left fairly... I don't get the reasoning.

The money should be left with the conference and whomever is in the conference should be able to control the money.

In other words, the departing Schools get the money they earned for 2023-2024. TV, Bowl Revenue, MM credits owed for that year. Any monies owed the PAC after their departure, (MM credit payments), belong to the surviving members. 

His judgement was to prevent OSU-Wazzu from stiff arming the departing members for 2023-2024 revenues.

 

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On 11/15/2023 at 2:16 PM, lobo-tomy said:

I volunteer the Lobos as "Tribute" to put W/OSU on our schedule at the expense of playing the current MW teams. 

It improves the schedule of a potential conf champ by having us off the schedule damages the stength of a potential rival for a playoff spot. We could leverage this to get a better deal for the conference if W/OSU don't want this to happen.

UNR, will you join us in this quest for conference superiority? 

PHUCK NO!!

we are NEVADA :pitchforks:

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On 11/15/2023 at 12:59 PM, Billings said:

The Catch seems to be the conditions or price the MWC is attaching to that agreement

Or, it might just be negotiations with FOX/CBS on how much value these games would add to the conference, with the conference passing on some of that to the twins for MWC home games (and payouts from the Pac2 to MWC teams for their home games).  Yeah, I think it's all about the $$, but I think less so about future dollars or specific performance.

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On 11/14/2023 at 11:01 AM, utenation said:

@NorCalCoug and @Pelado,

 

This isn't a shot at BYU, but Sitake almost sounds like he has given up this year. In his post game, he said he doesn't think the players believe in the system anymore.  Not a good message to send to Camp BYU but if it's true, it's true I guess.

"A new, even more troubling issue may have emerged late Saturday in the postgame news conference, with head coach Kalani Sitake responding to a question about what has happened to a defense that played reasonably well in a 35-6 loss to No. 7 Texas (9-1) on Oct. 28 by saying “my first response to that is probably guys not believing in the system and not believing in what we are doing.”

 

https://www.deseret.com/2023/11/12/23951719/byu-cougars-football-kalani-sitake-jay-hill-aaron-roderick-oklahoma-jake-retzlaff-belief-system

 

The local BYU mob is up in arms with this season. Cougarboard is in full meltdown. IMO, many of those fans expect T25 seasons every year, which based on results the last decade isn't realistic.  I think your fanbase doesn't realize this is a process to jump to P5.  Jay Hill is a smart man and knows what he's doing. Of course there are issues with coaching, talent and depth but year 1 isn't the time to blow up the farm. Gotta get the recruiting improved for sure. 

Things are a dumpster fire in Provo.  Talking truth isn’t taking a shot.  BYU’s been here before though.  They’ll figure it out.  My bigger concern is Sitake not living up to the recruiting hype he brought with him to BYU.  They have to figure that out first and foremost.  I know they recently hired a ton of recruiting staff and have put a lot more resources into it so hoping it pays dividends.  
 

BYU’s recruiting pool is what it is.  I’ve always said the BigXII wouldn’t make it substantially bigger.  I did think the BigXII would help BYU start landing more top level LDS talent, but that hasn’t happened either so far.  There was a decent bump the last class or two but nowhere near enough.  NIL has changed the game so who knows how much impact that has here too.

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On 11/15/2023 at 4:31 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Things are a dumpster fire in Provo.  Talking truth isn’t taking a shot.  BYU’s been here before though.  They’ll figure it out.  My bigger concern is Sitake not living up to the recruiting hype he brought with him to BYU.  They have to figure that out first and foremost.  I know they recently hired a ton of recruiting staff and have put a lot more resources into it so hoping it pays dividends.  
 

BYU’s recruiting pool is what it is.  I’ve always said the BigXII wouldn’t make it substantially bigger.  I did think the BigXII would help BYU start landing more top level LDS talent, but that hasn’t happened either so far.  There was a decent bump the last class or two but nowhere near enough.  NIL has changed the game so who knows how much impact that has here too.

Some schools and communities have been slower to adapt to NIL. However, I would think that BYU may actually be fairly competitive. Which programs have the most NIL potential in the new B12 in your opinion? 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/15/2023 at 6:01 PM, Fowl said:

Pretty sure SDSU just dropped their home game next season against Portland St and will announce they are replacing it with Oregon St shortly.  SDSU also is scheduled to play Wazzu OOC next year as well.

Smart move by all parties.

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2 hours ago, Fowl said:

Pretty sure SDSU just dropped their home game next season against Portland St and will announce they are replacing it with Oregon St shortly.  SDSU also is scheduled to play Wazzu OOC next year as well.

Do you know if it cost them any money to drop the game against Portland St.  And if so, I'll bet they made OSU foot the bill. (just a guess)

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On 11/14/2023 at 11:31 AM, Someone Else said:

So let's say OSU/WSU want to keep the P12 (or 10 or 8 ) going as opposed to just a straight merger with the MWC... what's stopping the schools OSU/WSU want to add from scheduling them next year to help them out of the jam they are in?

Conference schedules.

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On 11/15/2023 at 6:01 PM, Fowl said:

Pretty sure SDSU just dropped their home game next season against Portland St and will announce they are replacing it with Oregon St shortly.  SDSU also is scheduled to play Wazzu OOC next year as well.

Hmmm?  A chance to replace Portland State with OSU?  Now why in the hell would any team do that?  Working out some sort of schedule alliance isn't all in the Pac2's favor.

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On 11/15/2023 at 10:02 PM, Brew_Poke said:

Conference schedules.

No conferences have dates set yet except the B10. And we know, for instance, that the SEC has OOC games throughout their season, so it is doable.  The bigger issue is teams with availability.

It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level

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On 11/14/2023 at 1:12 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Much as some fans of MWC schools will argue to the contrary, if OSU/WSU emerge victorious over the P-10 in court, they have very little to lose by being a P-2 in 2024-2025. What will be very interesting will be whether in the coming months Nevarez as MWC commissioner (at least temporarily) will be able to persuade all her 12 bosses to put together an offer to OSU/WSU that will dissuade the two from trying to steal 6-9 current MWC members.

Although I don't see anybody discussing it right now, it's not inconceivable that a deal could be worked out to allow 6 MWC schools to leave while making it financially favorable for the other 6 to let them go.

But why though? It's just pride at this point, the enemy of good decision making.

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On 11/15/2023 at 9:35 PM, RSF said:

No conferences have dates set yet. And we know, for instance, that the SEC has OOC games throughout their season, so it is doable.  The bigger issue is teams with availability.

You think a lot of October and November slots will be available?

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On 11/14/2023 at 6:25 PM, utgrizfan said:

Yes sounds like a lot of bureaucracy, not surprising. Taking that into account that means OSU/Wazzu will get their normal CFP $$ share with the departing 10 in 2023, and then in 2024 they still will get the P5 share of CFP $$ (due to all Conferences + ND having to agree to change it and the PAC2 never will) So they still will be making a decent amount of cash.

Regardless, however, I find it hard to believe that they would be willing to pay exit fees for other schools if they only wanted to pick and choose, at that point they may bank on inviting 9 MWC members to vote to dissolve the Conference, or a full merger.

Bureaucracy?

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On 11/14/2023 at 12:24 PM, wolf from 73 said:

At the moment nobody knows the outcome of the litigation. It is conceivable after all the appeals are exhausted that the 2 may only receive a fraction of what they were hoping for or expecting. That alone would be to great of a gamble for any school to take.

Of course, they'll receive only a fraction. However, it will be a great majority of the money.

No offense meant since your error is shared by probably half the posters here but the correct spelling is toO.

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On 11/14/2023 at 12:31 PM, RSF said:

I'm no lawyer, and I didnt stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but a reading of the P12 bylaws seems pretty clear.  The departing members are entitled to their share of the 23-24 revenue distribution, and OSU/WSU is entitled to the rest of the assets and the right to control the board.

I literally did and I agree with you.

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