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On 11/15/2023 at 8:40 AM, SangerBulldog said:

This would actually be a fun conference. Some solid cities, basketball and football teams year in and year out. 

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I'm thinking a name change and you've expanded your market. Sounds like fun, can wait for the movie adaptation. 

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Out of my mind for the Lobos!!

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Oregon State's AD has repeatedly said he favors regional competition. According to Canzano today, OSU and WSU are in talks with the MWC for some sort of scheduling alliance in 2024-25. Probably a precursor to some sort of reverse merger in 2025-26.

Stanford has FU money. Cal athletics is millions and millions and millions in the red. Cal's funding model is unsustainable if it's getting 30 cents on the media-rights dollar and also spending 3-4 times the amount in travel expenses.  

And even if Stanford has FU money, every cent of donor money spent on funding annual operations instead of investment in facilities, etc., is poorly spent.

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On 11/15/2023 at 2:10 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Oregon State's AD has repeatedly said he favors regional competition. According to Canzano today, OSU and WSU are in talks with the MWC for some sort of scheduling alliance in 2024-25. Probably a precursor to some sort of reverse merger in 2025-26.

Stanford has FU money. Cal athletics is millions and millions and millions in the red. Cal's funding model is unsustainable if it's getting 30 cents on the media-rights dollar and also spending 3-4 times the amount in travel expenses.  

And even if Stanford has FU money, every cent of donor money spent on funding annual operations instead of investment in facilities, etc., is poorly spent.

Canzano "The “Pac-2” is in ongoing discussions with the Mountain West Conference about a scheduling partnership, I’m told. The potential one-year agreement would add inventory and value to the MWC’s current television deal. One involved party said to expect news later this week or early next week."

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On 11/15/2023 at 11:48 AM, An Admirer from the East said:

Canzano "The “Pac-2” is in ongoing discussions with the Mountain West Conference about a scheduling partnership, I’m told. The potential one-year agreement would add inventory and value to the MWC’s current television deal. One involved party said to expect news later this week or early next week."

The Catch seems to be the conditions or price the MWC is attaching to that agreement

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On 11/15/2023 at 8:31 AM, Someone Else said:

I get what the judge said, I just don't understand it unless he/she would have said the same thing if only 2 teams had left... if so, I follow the reasoning. 

Beyond that, all liabilities should be paid off before any of them get any money... so I am not sure who you mean as they in the 'they'll lose on the one too."   

Heatbutt is 100% correct. I've said it many times on other boards and a few times on this one. The 10 are lucky in my book to have a voice at all on future dealings with leftover money after the 23/24 payout to all schools.  The 2 have voting power, so I'm not sure how you would really prove unfair treatment in court when there is no specific dollar amount attached to that.  Then is the appeal right? Not sure how all that will work on retaining voting rights.

Bottom line, after the owed distributions, the 10 schools need to check out of the P12 hotel in all capacities and move on. Most of the 10 will be just fine with their new revenue shares going forward in their new conferences.  

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On 11/15/2023 at 11:59 AM, Billings said:

The Catch seems to be the conditions or price the MWC is attaching to that agreement

These discussions have been going on for some time and then the Pac-2 went to the Sun Belt and possibly others. What has changed is the money. The MWC has to stick to a full-merger after that or no deal. They will use this 1 year deal to plot a course to try and cherry-pic the MWC once the money issue is resolved. Don't do it for any amount of money they offer because in the end it will destabilize the conference. Stick together and we all come out ahead.

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On 11/14/2023 at 7:15 PM, utenation said:

@Did I hear a WOOSH?, here's some final food for thought today on FS1 TV ratings. I looked at all the other P5 games on FS1 this year, excluding all G5 matchups and taking every TV slot window into consideration for a baseline average.

The rest of the P5 games averaged about 800K viewers per game. With your average of 380K per game, it appears your FS1 excuse doesn't hold water.

 

Sorry to break the news Lil' buddy. 

 

 

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FS1 doesn’t average 800k viewers a game, you’re full of crap.

Secondly you can’t compare different time slots (even on the same network) as if they’re created equal for viewership. That’s dishonest.  You twisted my words (no surprise), I said when compared to the same time slot previously, so you’re being dishonest again.

 So, again, you’re still dishonestly full of crap.

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On 11/15/2023 at 3:02 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

FS1 doesn’t average 800k viewers a game, you’re full of crap.

Secondly you can’t compare different time slots (even on the same network) as if they’re created equal for viewership. That’s dishonest.  You twisted my words (no surprise), I said when compared to the same time slot previously, so you’re being dishonest again.

 So, again, you’re still dishonestly full of crap.

You need to read closer. I looked at all games this year for P5 teams and took out G5 matchups.  Obviously the overall average is lower when G5 games are included. 

 

And last I checked, at least according to you, UCF has on big boy pants now in the B12. But as your numbers suggest, you are still AAC trash in the ratings. 

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On 11/15/2023 at 5:11 PM, utenation said:

You need to read closer. I looked at all games this year for P5 teams and took out G5 matchups.  Obviously the overall average is lower when G5 games are included. 

 

And last I checked, at least according to you, UCF has on big boy pants now in the B12. But as your numbers suggest, you are still AAC trash in the ratings. 

So stats with zero relevance, got it.  You really aren’t good at this.  Meaningless to engage with you, really.

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On 11/14/2023 at 6:44 PM, utgrizfan said:

It would have to be a case of certain schools not wanting to be associated with others within the Conference which is what would cause the split. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there some complaints from western schools traveling to the Mountain TZ teams?

Just the one school (they know who they are!)

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On 11/15/2023 at 3:12 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

So meaningless stats with no relevance, got it.  

So comparing P5 teams to other P5 teams is a meaningless stat? I realize you don't like the outcome of the numbers this year but it looks like your school needs to get their act together in almost every metric of P5 ball.

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I volunteer the Lobos as "Tribute" to put W/OSU on our schedule at the expense of playing the current MW teams. 

It improves the schedule of a potential conf champ by having us off the schedule damages the stength of a potential rival for a playoff spot. We could leverage this to get a better deal for the conference if W/OSU don't want this to happen.

Nevada, will you join us in this quest for conference superiority? 

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Out of my mind for the Lobos!!

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On 11/15/2023 at 12:36 PM, utenation said:

Heatbutt is 100% correct. I've said it many times on other boards and a few times on this one. The 10 are lucky in my book to have a voice at all on future dealings with leftover money after the 23/24 payout to all schools.  The 2 have voting power, so I'm not sure how you would really prove unfair treatment in court when there is no specific dollar amount attached to that.  Then is the appeal right? Not sure how all that will work on retaining voting rights.

Bottom line, after the owed distributions, the 10 schools need to check out of the P12 hotel in all capacities and move on. Most of the 10 will be just fine with their new revenue shares going forward in their new conferences.  

except maybe Cal and Arizona.     ouch

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On 11/15/2023 at 7:47 AM, alum93 said:

tldr but ok for an appeal I guess, public vs private notice etc etc

On 11/15/2023 at 10:17 AM, Crsmitty04 said:

I fully agree. I think that coast to coast travel a lot of the power schools agreed to will prove untenable in the years to come.

I think the MWC's regionality (is that a word?) could be a strength if the core sticks together in the next decade.

The feasibility of non air travel, if it can be packaged to be conducive to the student athlete (or athlete student) or athlete, as per the appeal...its language, the needed clarification regardless..appropriate means to notice, it has been getting done...and, their family..

As in, yes, regionality and incentives towards the student athlete and their families most especially, when it comes to travelling, non air as much as feasible, to beat them on costs...

That's the discussion..the money. And payouts. And how that changes communities, especially in the appeal..

If non air travel isn't feasible then that needs to be established too. Did they budget for it?

 

On 11/15/2023 at 11:48 AM, An Admirer from the East said:

Canzano "The “Pac-2” is in ongoing discussions with the Mountain West Conference about a scheduling partnership, I’m told. The potential one-year agreement would add inventory and value to the MWC’s current television deal. One involved party said to expect news later this week or early next week."

This should be put up before the full board so as to not be in breach of the "notice to leave" clause or just to make sure those conflicts of interests are avoided by the new pacwhatever going forward...

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And 2ndly, that 5+7 model, not sure how the cfb and the NCAA and the non tv folks go about deciding things but isn't the language firm regardless..

they can change it, but that's their internal process and that hasn't even entered the public system..

but idk about all the specifics at this point..

apparently people can just say things without any checks and balances, or so they want.

im just waiting too at this point lol

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