SalinasSpartan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, wolf from 73 said: The College Playoff Committee made it clear that the Pac-2 or whatever they become will be considered a G-5. Exit fees for a new 10 team conference will be closer to 150-200 mill. A conference with 3 AAC and 5 MWC teams would not generate much more per team if at all than a 14 team Pac. Add to that cross country travel would make this a total financial looser for the 2 schools. Yea I was trying to frame it in a more generous way. But the AAC schools that left for the Big 12 paid about 18M each, which just so happens to be about what the MWC exit fee is if you give one year and one day (or more) notice. So if you use that figure, you are talking $180M in exit fees for 10 schools. And with the size of power conferences now, I don’t think there is any way the Pac could try and pitch itself as a “power conference” with less than 12 schools, so adding 10 schools is a minimum. For a conference that, objectively, will be noticeably inferior to the Pac-9 that, reportedly, was only offered about $23M/year. How does that $180M investment make sense? Especially when you consider that the AAC schools like Tulane and UTSA could leapfrog the Pac-2 and any MWC schools and become THE prime targets to join up with any ACC leftovers in the next realignment round. People may say, “o well just have the MWC/AAC schools pay some, like half”. Sure, the AAC schools might be interested. But the problem with that is the MWC schools that would be the backbone of this new Pac have some leverage. They know that if they don’t go along the plan falls apart, and the Pac-2 have to merge anyway and the MWC schools would still get a significant boost in TV money. So, what is the incentive for them to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 7:13 PM, wolf from 73 said: Even if the Pac-2 try to raid any other conference and pay exit fees where will the income for this new G5 conference come from. They will have to pay exit-fees and then guarantee income to substantially surpass what the school was leaving, then you have media rights and bowl tie-ins with nothing guaranteed that's a major risk for any school without deep pockets to gamble on. So why not seek the guarantee now? Approach the NCAA and the cfp and ask how this all changes P5/g5/playoff spots/money distribution for not just wsu/OSU and 6+potential others, but also...just all college athletics. Wsu/OSU should just cut out that cat and mouse game. Espn fox cbs NCAA CFB NCAA...let them answer those questions for those courts now... Why are they playing guessing games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolf from 73 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 10:56 PM, OzzyOzz said: So why not seek the guarantee now? Approach the NCAA and the cfp and ask how this all changes P5/g5/playoff spots/money distribution for not just wsu/OSU and 6+potential others, but also...just all college athletics. Wsu/OSU should just cut out that cat and mouse game. Espn fox cbs NCAA CFB NCAA...let them answer those questions for those courts now... Why are they playing guessing games I agree and that would get to a resolution much quicker with those answers. By the way Kirk Schultz is on that Playoff committee so he has some of those answers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 9:12 PM, wolf from 73 said: The College Playoff Committee made it clear that the Pac-2 or whatever they become will be considered a G-5. Exit fees for a new 10 team conference will be closer to 150-200 mill. A conference with 3 AAC and 5 MWC teams would not generate much more per team if at all than a 14 team Pac. Add to that cross country travel would make this a total financial looser for the 2 schools. Commonly considered G5? Or financially considered? I hope wsu/OSU seeks that clarification in writing because it is important if/when this goes to the supreme court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:26 PM, Someone Else said: I probably shouldn't ask this question because I didn't read exactly what the judge said but it seems to me that if the judge said OSU/WSU are the only voting members then they should be able to decide what to do with the money.... it would be the same as if only two schools left... if the P10 had stayed intact then USC & UCLA would have left any money they had coming to them behind... they wouldn't have had to be treated "fairly" since they left, right? So why do OSU & WSU have to treat the 10 who left fairly... I don't get the reasoning. The money should be left with the conference and whomever is in the conference should be able to control the money. Because the judge explicitly said so, and also said that the bylaws would be held intact. Only ruled that the 10 have no voting rights on the board. Folks are making up "what if" scenarios, as are the 10. Pay the departing 10 their share of the 23-24 payout and it's all over other than fighting over the liabilities. They'll lose on that one too. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Monty Show "Stanford and Cal acted hastily and would have been better off financially staying" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:25 PM, Billings said: Monty Show "Stanford and Cal acted hastily and would have been better off financially staying" Calford: Ego > $ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Headbutt said: Because the judge explicitly said so, and also said that the bylaws would be held intact. Only ruled that the 10 have no voting rights on the board. Folks are making up "what if" scenarios, as are the 10. Pay the departing 10 their share of the 23-24 payout and it's all over other than fighting over the liabilities. They'll lose on that one too. I get what the judge said, I just don't understand it unless he/she would have said the same thing if only 2 teams had left... if so, I follow the reasoning. Beyond that, all liabilities should be paid off before any of them get any money... so I am not sure who you mean as they in the 'they'll lose on the one too." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Billings said: Monty Show "Stanford and Cal acted hastily and would have been better off financially staying" No, actually Stanford and Cal didn't want to get stuck with a bunch of G5 teams. It was their only move so they took it. Not good for their SAs but I don't think they care about that (at this point). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SangerBulldog Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 This would actually be a fun conference. Some solid cities, basketball and football teams year in and year out. 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:56 PM, OzzyOzz said: So why not seek the guarantee now? Approach the NCAA and the cfp and ask how this all changes P5/g5/playoff spots/money distribution for not just wsu/OSU and 6+potential others, but also...just all college athletics. Wsu/OSU should just cut out that cat and mouse game. Espn fox cbs NCAA CFB NCAA...let them answer those questions for those courts now... Why are they playing guessing games This is how it changes the college football model. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38865936/cfp-committee-present-5+7-model-board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, SangerBulldog said: This would actually be a fun conference. Some solid cities, basketball and football teams year in and year out. thats a lot of travel for not much $$ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SangerBulldog Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 7:47 AM, Someone Else said: thats a lot of travel for not much $$ That's true but they can go to 14. Maybe add Colorado State and another east coast team. Try to divide it up somehow with the least amount of travel for each division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamSack Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 8:40 AM, SangerBulldog said: This would actually be a fun conference. Some solid cities, basketball and football teams year in and year out. Boise wouldn’t be the only school in the mountain time zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, SangerBulldog said: That's true but they can go to 14. Maybe add Colorado State and another east coast team. Try to divide it up somehow with the least amount of travel for each division They could do all kinds of things but the challenge is how to make it work financially. I have no idea what is going to happen but I will say that the exit fees established by the MWC seem to be doing the job they were created to do... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueAg Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 10:26 PM, Someone Else said: I probably shouldn't ask this question because I didn't read exactly what the judge said but it seems to me that if the judge said OSU/WSU are the only voting members then they should be able to decide what to do with the money.... it would be the same as if only two schools left... if the P10 had stayed intact then USC & UCLA would have left any money they had coming to them behind... they wouldn't have had to be treated "fairly" since they left, right? So why do OSU & WSU have to treat the 10 who left fairly... I don't get the reasoning. The money should be left with the conference and whomever is in the conference should be able to control the money. Because the money was generated, in large part, by the 10 departing and therefore they should each have a right to their fair share despite not having a technical vote on the board anymore. Also, if OSU/WSU want to play that game where they state they own it all - should they not then also own all the PAC-12 debt and the pending media lawsuits coming against the conference too? On 11/14/2023 at 11:25 PM, Billings said: Monty Show "Stanford and Cal acted hastily and would have been better off financially staying" Haha...yeah, and Elon Musk would be better off financially if he would have ordered the combo meal instead of ordering each item individually. Does anyone think they give a rip about this? They were desperate to not be in the shoes that OSU/WSU find themselves and they have enough F-U money to not care what the cost was to find a way out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Since 88 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 10:08 PM, RamSack said: I read in the comments section of an article that George Kliavkoff wasn’t in the courtroom today. Not surprised at all. Colonel Klinkoff.. is being paid to stay away until his contract runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 8:40 AM, SangerBulldog said: This would actually be a fun conference. Some solid cities, basketball and football teams year in and year out. I think the major conferences are going to regret having so much travel. Our advantage (MWC+OSU/WSU) will be staying regional. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crsmitty04 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 12:56 PM, Chalsean said: I think the major conferences are going to regret having so much travel. Our advantage (MWC+OSU/WSU) will be staying regional. I fully agree. I think that coast to coast travel a lot of the power schools agreed to will prove untenable in the years to come. I think the MWC's regionality (is that a word?) could be a strength if the core sticks together in the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...