TrueAg Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:48 PM, utgrizfan said: The fact that they were reaching out to the Sun Belt all but garuntees that they are trying to build a "best of the rest" Conference as their Top Plan. I bet they also have approached CUSA, AAC and the MAC as well and offered them a $$ incentive to schedule them without the demands the MWC I'm sure has. I think it just means that they got told no by the MWC when asked the same question and they know they are short on time to make something happen for next season. A best of the rest? is there really a significant difference between the entire MWC and the 1 or 2 schools that you may want from either the AAC or Sun Belt + 9 from the MWC? I don't think the travel is worth it for any of the parties involved. Any slight difference in media payout would be absorbed by extra costs for travel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:02 PM, Headbutt said: Of course they are. I just filed my nails. Big deal. The appeals court can refuse to take it up. This whole thing is fascinating to me, and is fun to watch. I just would like to know if my hunches are worth a crap. So far I've done good, but I'm far, far from a legal expert. you file your nails? a "metro" living in Ocala...who woulda thunk? hey @SAMO...you know about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 https://www.on3.com/os/news/pac-12-preliminary-injunction-hearing-oregon-state-washington-state/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:53 PM, TrueAg said: I think it just means that they got told no by the MWC when asked the same question and they know they are short on time to make something happen for next season. A best of the rest? is there really a significant difference between the entire MWC and the 1 or 2 schools that you may want from either the AAC or Sun Belt + 9 from the MWC? I don't think the travel is worth it for any of the parties involved. Any slight difference in media payout would be absorbed by extra costs for travel. I meant it more as they are talking to other conferences purely to fill their schedules until they feel they're in a position to poach select MWC schools. Granted I don't see how they can do that but why else would they be exploring scheduling teams on the other side of the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Washington State, Oregon State land court victory against Pac-12 https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-state-oregon-state-land-court-victory-against-pac-12-013039157.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:48 PM, wolf from 73 said: Anything they do that is perceived as not equitable to the other 10 will wind up in court. Defeats the purpose of the ruling and it will be the first question answered by the 12.. Why is everyone stupid but you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:42 PM, wolf from 73 said: My guess is that at best the Pac-2 will get 100-150 mill of the 2023-2024 distribution and 60 mill in future credits depending on outstanding Pac-12 liabilities and school debt that probably total millions. Not a chance that the 2 will part with any of that to pay exit-fees for new additions. There will be plenty of costs associated with running a conference with 2 members especially this late in the season and no future media revenue. They aren't fortune 500 companies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMO Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:56 PM, renoskier said: you file your nails? a "metro" living in Ocala...who woulda thunk? hey @SAMO...you know about this 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:17 PM, SAMO said: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:48 PM, utgrizfan said: The fact that they were reaching out to the Sun Belt all but garuntees that they are trying to build a "best of the rest" Conference as their Top Plan. I bet they also have or will approach the CUSA, AAC and the MAC as well and offer them a $$ incentive to schedule them as they won't have the demands the MWC I'm sure has put in place. This is obvious. Less obvious is the fomo and it taking just 1 shoe to fall. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. A commitment 2 year down the line for a $0 exit fees and honestly mexico will pay for the wall itself. Leverage is poorly understood by many on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 7:23 PM, OzzyOzz said: This is obvious. Less obvious is the fomo and it taking just 1 shoe to fall. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. A commitment 2 year down the line for a $0 exit fees and honestly mexico will pay for the wall itself. Leverage is poorly understood by many on this subject. Hopefully Gloria has the Aztecs AD and President tied up, gagged and stuffed into a broom closet during all of this. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:12 PM, utgrizfan said: I meant it more as they are talking to other conferences purely to fill their schedules until they feel they're in a position to poach select MWC schools. Granted I don't see how they can do that but why else would they be exploring scheduling teams on the other side of the country? Just 1 MWC school is all that's necessary. The play is fomo. If the rest of the MWC is dumb enough to stand pat if 1 will defect, at $0 in 2 years, 17 in 1, 34 next, then, once whichever school is dumb enough to try to "hold the line", theyll find themselves holding the bag just like wsu/osu have. The smart play is to get a commitment from like Wyoming. The point is to make them all scramble. That's why the Sunbelt was approached lol If you think it's impossible to die on all your hills..well WSU/OSU thought the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 7:33 PM, OzzyOzz said: Just 1 MWC school is all that's necessary. The play is fomo. If the rest of the MWC is dumb enough to stand pat if 1 will defect, at $0 in 2 years, 17 in 1, 34 next, then, once whichever school is dumb enough to try to "hold the line", theyll find themselves holding the bag just like wsu/osu have. The smart play is to get a commitment from like Wyoming. The point is to make them all scramble. That's why the Sunbelt was approached lol If you think it's impossible to die on a your hills..well WSU/OSU thought the same. Oh I think it's what they're attempting and frankly I think it's quite possible, just not the most likely scenario due to time not being on the PAC2s side. Hell I WANT the MWC to be partially poached for the selfish reason that Montana and MSU may get the callup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 7:33 PM, OzzyOzz said: Just 1 MWC school is all that's necessary. The play is fomo. If the rest of the MWC is dumb enough to stand pat if 1 will defect, at $0 in 2 years, 17 in 1, 34 next, then, once whichever school is dumb enough to try to "hold the line", theyll find themselves holding the bag just like wsu/osu have. The smart play is to get a commitment from like Wyoming. The point is to make them all scramble. That's why the Sunbelt was approached lol If you think it's impossible to die on a your hills..well WSU/OSU thought the same. A completely different dynamic here. First of all, the new Pac will be G5 no matter what. They can probably raid other conferences, but they won't get the best. TV money won't be there. Pac bowl tie-ins will be changing. There is not enough $$ going forward for them to wreck any other conference by picking off of the top. I doubt very much that MWC members are prepared to scramble to join the next big G5 and abandon stability. A couple maybe, but the Pac2 just don't carry that clout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:26 PM, utgrizfan said: Hopefully Gloria has the Aztecs AD and President tied up, gagged and stuffed into a broom closet during all of this. That's the obvious play. They should target the programs that might be left out if it the MWC is broken. Wyoming..CSU...pay for 1 or 2 of them, down the line even. If you guarantee an iffy program a spot, they'll jump at it because...they don't want to be left out. So they'll try to squeeze out the middle position programs by taking programs that are in a more precarious position and show them all that no, this thing is long gone. Ms. Nevarez has done most everything right and honestly at this point she should just hope for a full reverse merger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 7:39 PM, Headbutt said: A completely different dynamic here. First of all, the new Pac will be G5 no matter what. They can probably raid other conferences, but they won't get the best. TV money won't be there. Pac bowl tie-ins will be changing. There is not enough $$ going forward for them to wreck any other conference by picking off of the top. I doubt very much that MWC members are prepared to scramble to join the next big G5 and abandon stability. A couple maybe, but the Pac2 just don't carry that clout. It would have to be a case of certain schools not wanting to be associated with others within the Conference which is what would cause the split. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there some complaints from western schools traveling to the Mountain TZ teams? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 4:01 PM, Headbutt said: Some teams in this conference had no issue arranging their schedule to play BYU during what would normally be considered "conference season". AFA makes room for the other academies. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Only if the Conference allows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgaucho Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:44 PM, utgrizfan said: It would have to be a case of certain schools not wanting to be associated with others within the Conference which is what would cause the split. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there some complaints from western schools traveling to the Mountain TZ teams? Yes. There is a certain fanbase who tends to complain about altitude. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 6:44 PM, OzzyOzz said: That's the obvious play. They should target the programs that might be left out if it the MWC is broken. Wyoming..CSU...pay for 1 or 2 of them, down the line even. If you guarantee an iffy program a spot, they'll jump at it because...they don't want to be left out. So they'll try to squeeze out the middle position programs by taking programs that are in a more precarious position and show them all that no, this thing is long gone. Ms. Nevarez has done most everything right and honestly at this point she should just hope for a full reverse merger. If you’re going to invite the less desireable schools why not just merge both leagues. Seems to defeat the purpose… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 4:33 PM, OzzyOzz said: Just 1 MWC school is all that's necessary. The play is fomo. If the rest of the MWC is dumb enough to stand pat if 1 will defect, at $0 in 2 years, 17 in 1, 34 next, then, once whichever school is dumb enough to try to "hold the line", theyll find themselves holding the bag just like wsu/osu have. The smart play is to get a commitment from like Wyoming. The point is to make them all scramble. That's why the Sunbelt was approached lol If you think it's impossible to die on all your hills..well WSU/OSU thought the same. Don’t know where you’re getting the “$0 in 2 years” exit fee from. That’s not how the MWC exit fee works. It’s $17 million if the departing school gives more than one year’s notice. More than one year can mean two years, three years, or longer. Regardless of when it’s still $17 million to get out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...