Conference Realignment thread

[wolfpack1]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:07 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

There are some delusional people on the OSU message board who still think the Big 12 is going to offer WSU and OSU after the football season. Delusional.

There are also some delusional people who think OSU and WSU can keep the Pac-12 going on their own for two years and then pick and choose who to add to reach the NCAA-mandate eight teams for an auto berth conference. Delusional as well.

Reverse merger, by Thanksgiving at the latest. The most sensible and realistic option, and you have the 5th best football league and a reasonable shot for a CFP invitation when it expands to 12 teams. 

The Big 12 thing isn't just on the message board, there are some people that feel if OSU/WSU wins their case and gets all the rights etc they could possibly buy their way into Big 12. 

Everything depends on the court case right now, until that moves forward nothing can really be done

[Billings]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:31 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

But I want GCU!  

DO IT

[wolfpack1]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:31 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

But I want GCU!  

I don't see them fitting in though

[jdgaucho]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:37 PM, wolfpack1 said:

Seattle was in the West Coast Conference at one time before going back to Division II, and they could bring on Seattle to get another school up in Washington to match with Gonzaga so that Gonzaga isn't that far out there. But with that past, Seattle probably would be on the list and Seattle's team has been trending upward a bit. 

Grand Canyon, they have had baggage which has went against them. 

 

I doubt any of these schools will care about GCU's status.  They fit in almost perfectly.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:54 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

I doubt any of these schools will care about GCU's status.  They fit in almost perfectly.

They do and will

[jdgaucho]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:58 PM, wolfpack1 said:

They do and will

 

We'll see...

[wolfpack1]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:59 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

We'll see...

That was one of the hangups before with Grand Canyon but honestly I would say Utah Valley St or Seattle would be at the top of the list

[CKS007]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:09 PM, SteedLaw said:

Again, maybe. But, I think you would be surprised at how much attention and interest UVU has garnered in Utah County and the larger Wasatch Front. I also would not underestimate the power of the several big billionaire donor families that have contributed to UVU in the recent past. For a non-research university degree mill, there is serious cash going into that school right now. 
 

I mean, even the LDS church has essentially contributed a $200MM plus temple located a block away from campus. And, that is in addition to the institute of religion they have also built on campus there.

Again, I don’t really care either way and I guess we will see.  I for one, however, would not be at all shocked if they got an invite. 

Where is this attention?  Other than a brief blip on the radar when the NIT run happened, I've noticed that UVU is usually ignored in the Utah sports media and market.  Utah Tech has received more press along the Wasatch Front after they became FCS and started scheduling BYU and other schools. 

I recall a year ago talking to a UVU student.  When I brough up sports, he shrugged and said, "we have teams?"  Most UVU students are kids who couldn't get into BYU and still hope to transfer over later.

If Utah Valley announced a football team, then I could see there being more interest from the general population.  When UVU was looking at getting out of the Great West (no auto bid to post season tournaments) and into the Big Sky, they were looking at adding a football team.  But now that it is no longer needed, they have no plan$ to do so.

[utgrizfan]

On 9/25/2023 at 10:41 PM, wolfpack1 said:

The Big 12 thing isn't just on the message board, there are some people that feel if OSU/WSU wins their case and gets all the rights etc they could possibly buy their way into Big 12. 

Everything depends on the court case right now, until that moves forward nothing can really be done

The more they keep going on about being P5 teams I think that is the most desired end goal for both. The most likely and one I'm thinking will happen however is still the full MWC merger.

[RSF]

On 9/25/2023 at 11:41 PM, wolfpack1 said:

The Big 12 thing isn't just on the message board, there are some people that feel if OSU/WSU wins their case and gets all the rights etc they could possibly buy their way into Big 12. 

 

Like who?

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2023 at 6:00 PM, RSF said:

Like who?

I don't know how reliable these guys are but from the College Football Playoff payouts alone OSU and Wazzu could cost ESPN 300 Million if they stand pat at 2 schools, and that alone might be enough to get them into the Big12. If you want to get people to move hit them in their wallet.

 

 

[RamSack]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:24 PM, utgrizfan said:

I don't know how reliable these guys are but from the College Football Playoff payouts alone OSU and Wazzu could cost ESPN 300 Million if they stand pat at 2 schools, and that alone might be enough to get them into the Big12. If you want to get people to move hit them in their wallet.

 

 

These guys are idiots.

[RamSack]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:24 PM, utgrizfan said:

I don't know how reliable these guys are but from the College Football Playoff payouts alone OSU and Wazzu could cost ESPN 300 Million if they stand pat at 2 schools, and that alone might be enough to get them into the Big12. If you want to get people to move hit them in their wallet.

 

 

I'm not seeing how the Pac-12 is costing ESPN $300 million. Don't they have to pay it regardless of who is in the playoff?

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:38 PM, RamSack said:

I'm not seeing how the Pac-12 is costing ESPN $300 million. Don't they have to pay it regardless of who is in the playoff?

It's because how the current CFP contract is structured. The payouts will remain the same until the 2025-2026 season meaning the PAC will still be receiving the P5 CFP payout rate for 2 seasons and all that $$ will be going to only to Wazzu and Oregon State.

The only way they can change it (per the current contract) is if every single conference along with Notre Dame unanimously vote to change it and Oregon State and Wazzu would never agree to that. That means the PAC aka both schools are legally entitled to the estimated 300 million in estimated CFP money payouts for both seasons as they have a 2 year grace period to add schools. 

That's how ESPN would be paying just OSU and Wazzu an estimated 300 million for both the 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 season, I could definitely see them not wanting to do that.

[RamSack]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:43 PM, utgrizfan said:

It's because how the current CFP contract is structured. The payouts will remain the same until the 2025-2026 season meaning the PAC will still be receiving the P5 CFP payout rate for 2 seasons and all that $$ will be going to only to Wazzu and Oregon State.

The only way they can change it (per the current contract) is if every single conference along with Notre Dame unanimously vote to change it and Oregon State and Wazzu would never agree to that. That means the PAC aka both schools are legally entitled to the estimated 300 million in estimated CFP money payouts for both seasons as they have a 2 year grace period to add schools. 

That's how ESPN would be paying just OSU and Wazzu an estimated 300 million for both the 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 season, I could definitely see them not wanting to do that.

What’s the incentive for another conference to invite both schools then? 4 million dollars for 2 years? That only makes sense to the G5’s.

[Headbutt]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:43 PM, utgrizfan said:

It's because how the current CFP contract is structured. The payouts will remain the same until the 2025-2026 season meaning the PAC will still be receiving the P5 CFP payout rate for 2 seasons and all that $$ will be going to only to Wazzu and Oregon State.

The only way they can change it (per the current contract) is if every single conference along with Notre Dame unanimously vote to change it and Oregon State and Wazzu would never agree to that. That means the PAC aka both schools are legally entitled to the estimated 300 million in estimated CFP money payouts for both seasons as they have a 2 year grace period to add schools. 

That's how ESPN would be paying just OSU and Wazzu an estimated 300 million for both the 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 season, I could definitely see them not wanting to do that.

That $300 million is contracted to the CFB playoff.  Not sure why ESPN would be pissed about how it's divided up.  If there is evidence that ESPN is pissed about the division, that might warrant an investigation into how the whole Pac breakup went down behind the scenes.  I don't believe they're pissed.  Maybe hoping to get out of a payout, but they're smart enough to know that they're legally bound to it.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/26/2023 at 4:59 PM, utgrizfan said:

The more they keep going on about being P5 teams I think that is the most desired end goal for both. The most likely and one I'm thinking will happen however is still the full MWC merger.

Both WSU and OSU have made it clear over and over again their goal is to remain a P5 school and even a sliver of hope you know they will work that angle.

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:58 PM, RamSack said:

What’s the incentive for another conference to invite both schools then? 4 million dollars for 2 years? That only makes sense to the G5’s.

And @Headbutt

I think the angle people are speculating OSU and Wazzu are going for are demanding a full Big12 share from ESPN (20 Million per year) and being in a P5 Conference. With the constant talk from their ADs, coaches ex. claiming they're a P5 team or program there is some evidence there to support that train of thought.

240 million for both OSU+WAZZU for the 6 year contract to be added to the Big12 vs ESPN essentially paying them an estimated 600 million the next 2 years.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/26/2023 at 5:00 PM, RSF said:

Like who?

Ever since the SMU situation writers have also brought up could OSU and WSU somehow buy their way into another conference, has also been discussion on twitter about it as well. Not saying its reasonable talk but talk has been going on

[Headbutt]

On 9/26/2023 at 10:05 PM, utgrizfan said:

And @Headbutt

I think the angle people are speculating OSU and Wazzu are going for are demanding a full Big12 share from ESPN (20 Million per year) and being in a P5 Conference. With the constant talk from their ADs, coaches ex. claiming they're a P5 team or program there is some evidence there to support that train of thought.

240 million for both OSU+WAZZU for the 6 year contract to be added to the Big12 vs ESPN essentially paying them an estimated 600 million the next 2 years.

OK, I thought the speculation was different.  I thought it was about a playoff payout.  The speculation that ESPN might be pissed because they'd have to give OSU/WSU a full share to join the B12 is even dumber.  Any prior agreement that might cause the Big 12 to add those two and give them a full share would be on the books.  Would they be equally pissed if the B12 added two ACC schools?  Not likely, it's the cost of doing business that they agreed to.

It's all moot anyway.  The B12 has said they're not adding and the Pac2 have said they're not heading that far east.  Anything could happen, but that scenario is extremely unlikely.