Conference Realignment thread

[OzzyOzz]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:14 AM, NorCalCoug said:

Not sure, but this gif comes to mind reading some of his/her posts….

This is how WSUs whole game went yesterday, how they recovered the ball to win the game too...

Your magic tricks don't work, what was that side punt wizardry?...take your memes and put them in the L column where they belong..

[CPslograd]

I have noticed a trend of Wyoming fans not valuing Hawaii as a MWC member.  It is a little funny when they mention the travel issues.  Honolulu from Nevada or California is not a tough flight.  I think it's easier travel there than to Logan or Laramie.

Hawaii has good football tradition and a long history with the PST teams of the conference.  

I agree that they do need to get serious about their stadium situation.

[Beaver-Poke]

So far, you haven't educated me on anything.

If the 13th-game option is so great, why doesn't anyone use it? 

Oregon State's stadium was not "remodeled." It was systematically torn down, and completely replaced. Every vestige of old Parker Stadium is now gone. Nothing remains. 

USC, Cal and Stanford have all significantly renovated their stadiums within the past decade or so. The Rams built SoFi Stadium, the Warriors have a new arena in SF, Staples Center and the Galen Center have been built in LA and Pauley Pavilion has been totally redone. Major improvements at Dodger Stadium. Seems to me you can get things done in California.

Ah yes, the Hawaii Bowl. That game every Christmas played at an empty stadium. 

Clemson is 2-3 since DJU left/was replaced. Perhaps he wasn't the problem. And what is happening at Oregon State has no bearing whatsoever on whether Hawaii merits inclusion in the new Pac-13. So far, I'm not hearing many good reasons and drawing 9K and 10K to home games isn't going to change very many minds.  

PS: Every single MWC team can charter into Laramie in about half the time it takes them to get to Honolulu from anywhere on the mainland, and then be at the stadium in 20 minutes. And you're not hours behind the rest of the country when you get there, so after the game the teams get home at a decent hour instead of 6 or 7 the next morning.  

[Ram1554]

On 9/24/2023 at 10:29 AM, CPslograd said:

I agree that they do need to get serious about their stadium situation.

Both Hawaii AND San Jose need to get serious about finishing their stadiums sooner rather than later. Multiple sub-20k stadiums are not a good look for a conference, especially if it isn’t the case the construction is ongoing to fix the problems. 

Also, it seems like Mackey could use some work. I believe Nevada is one of only 3 FBS football stadiums with a track around the field. 

[RSF]

On 9/24/2023 at 11:52 AM, WarriorTyme said:

I see you stretched it back to 23 years, instead of a couple decades 20 years, well played! 

 

 

 

Seems only fair, since you referred to a single Top 25 appearance in 20 years as 'multiple'.

 

 

Btw...Oregon State is not in Pullman.  Seeing as how Pullman is in Washington.

[SteedLaw]

On 9/24/2023 at 11:29 AM, CPslograd said:

I have noticed a trend of Wyoming fans not valuing Hawaii as a MWC member.  It is a little funny when they mention the travel issues.  Honolulu from Nevada or California is not a tough flight.  I think it's easier travel there than to Logan or Laramie.

Hawaii has good football tradition and a long history with the PST teams of the conference.  

I agree that they do need to get serious about their stadium situation.

Curious, what is difficult about Logan? Because it is an hour drive by bus from SLC airport?

It is approximately the same drive to go North to Logan as it is to go South to Provo. Not a far or difficult trip either way. 

Besides, increasingly more teams are just do the whole direct charter to Logan thing. The airport in Logan is 5 minutes from Maverick Stadium. 

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/24/2023 at 12:50 PM, RSF said:

Seems only fair, since you referred to a single Top 25 appearance in 20 years as 'multiple'.

 

 

Btw...Oregon State is not in Pullman.  Seeing as how Pullman is in Washington.

Touche my good friend, this particular Beaver Poke elitist OSU fan Resideses in Corvalis! Quite right!

 

I forgive you for your blasphemy Mr. Jesus, you probably need to look back at 2006, 2007 and 2010. Multiple times in 20 years.

 

[RSF]

On 9/24/2023 at 2:12 PM, WarriorTyme said:

Touche my good friend, this particular Beaver Poke elitist OSU fan Resideses in Corvalis! Quite right!

 

I forgive you for your blasphemy Mr. Jesus, you probably need to look back at 2006, 2007 and 2010. Multiple times in 20 years.

 

2006 and 2010 Hawaii finished both years unranked.

 

 

 

 

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/24/2023 at 12:37 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

So far, you haven't educated me on anything.

If the 13th-game option is so great, why doesn't anyone use it? 

Oregon State's stadium was not "remodeled." It was systematically torn down, and completely replaced. Every vestige of old Parker Stadium is now gone. Nothing remains. 

USC, Cal and Stanford have all significantly renovated their stadiums within the past decade or so. The Rams built SoFi Stadium, the Warriors have a new arena in SF, Staples Center and the Galen Center have been built in LA and Pauley Pavilion has been totally redone. Major improvements at Dodger Stadium. Seems to me you can get things done in California.

Ah yes, the Hawaii Bowl. That game every Christmas played at an empty stadium. 

Clemson is 2-3 since DJU left/was replaced. Perhaps he wasn't the problem. And what is happening at Oregon State has no bearing whatsoever on whether Hawaii merits inclusion in the new Pac-13. So far, I'm not hearing many good reasons and drawing 9K and 10K to home games isn't going to change very many minds.  

PS: Every single MWC team can charter into Laramie in about half the time it takes them to get to Honolulu from anywhere on the mainland, and then be at the stadium in 20 minutes. And you're not hours behind the rest of the country when you get there, so after the game the teams get home at a decent hour instead of 6 or 7 the next morning.  

Listen Beaver,

Hawaii loves us some Wyoming Football, we have been playing for the paniolo trophy since back to old WAC days. Don't bring in Wyoming into this! 

I gave you a nice write up and if you don't get it, it not my fault? I'm sorry but I can't fix stupid? 

 

 

[SteedLaw]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:30 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

YUP…Hawai’i checks all the boxes for conference expansion:

* Strong youth soccer pgms

* A “nice” university 

* "Under-rated" academic pgms

* Campus safety

 

This just in, a law degree from Hawai’i is never mentioned in the same breath as an Ivy JD.

 

Hawaii is both a flagship and a public land-grant; they are Carnegie R1 with a large endowment. 

They also have one of the larger international followings in FBS and even have a bit of a following in Polynesia, Australia, and even Japan.

There are few schools that would even be interested to join the MWC that could pull viewers internationally like Hawaii.

As sports fans, we often forget it is not all about fans and ratings either; it is often about marketing for new research dollars and students globally. Hawaii helps the whole conference there. 

And, raise your hand if your football stadium is within a few minutes driving distance of one of the best beaches on the planet.  Travel to Hawaii is hard on SA and expensive, but it is also seen most often as a bit of a perk for staff and administrators too.
 

Just sayin…they are staying. 

[Ram1554]

On 9/24/2023 at 12:17 PM, RSF said:

2006 and 2010 Hawaii finished both years unranked.

 

 

 

 

FWIW, it looks like they did finish top 25 in the 2010 BCS standings.

Either way, Hawaii won a lot of games in that era, and it made sense to add them as an affiliate to the MWC back then. However, it has been a challenge for UH since they've joined for football, and the current stadium situation is just not up to par. I have a feeling that something has to give because it doesn’t feel like our current arrangement is working out for either side. Perhaps it’s the travel subs, idk. 

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/24/2023 at 2:17 PM, RSF said:

2006 and 2010 Hawaii finished both years unranked.

 

 

 

 

Mr. Jesus, I said ranked multiple times, not finished ranked multiple times. Hawaii has been ranked in 2006, 2007 & 2010. Did you move the goal post on me?

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:25 AM, OzzyOzz said:

Mmm..Hawaii does belong somewhere, there is a higher % of people actively participating in sports&athletics there than elsewhere..and the University itself is really nice. They have an extremely underrated law school, in international affairs a law degree from Hawaii puts you in such a unique position (military law, maritime law, usa-asian international relations..it can be leveraged just as advantageously as an ivy league qualification by the right person). They have nice and clean facilities and their scientific research efforts are unique to them because of their geography. It is a university that can never die.

They also were one of the "safest campuses in America" when I was there, and that's a shout out to not just them lol but 99.99999% mostly them lol..actually maybe 105% them lol hqha

I'm not so nice about other aspects of their university however but overall their value is more solid than most any university in America for reasons that people don't really ever consider. I'd recommend that university over many for sure..

 

On 9/24/2023 at 6:30 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

YUP…Hawai’i checks all the boxes for conference expansion:

* Strong youth soccer pgms

* A “nice” university 

* "Under-rated" academic pgms

* Campus safety

 

This just in, a law degree from Hawai’i is never mentioned in the same breath as an Ivy JD.

 

On 9/24/2023 at 12:27 PM, SteedLaw said:

Hawaii is both a flagship and a public land-grant; they are Carnegie R1 with a large endowment. 

They also have one of the larger international followings in FBS and even have a bit of a following in Polynesia, Australia, and even Japan.

There are few schools that would even be interested to join the MWC that could pull viewers internationally like Hawaii.

As sports fans, we often forget it is not all about fans and ratings either; it is often about marketing for new research dollars and students globally. Hawaii helps the whole conference there. 

And, raise your hand if your football stadium is within a few minutes driving distance of one of the best beaches on the planet. 
 

Just sayin…they are staying. 

 

@SteedLaw - I agree on all your pts as far Hawai’i’s  strength of membership.

 

My post above were not an indictment of Hawai’i.  I was calling out the ridiculous nature of @OzzyOzz’s criteria.

 

[wolfpack1]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:56 PM, Red Ted Redemption said:

Do we know how much the wcc schools are making with this deal 

 

https://wccsports.com/news/2023/8/14/general-west-coast-conference-expands-espn-relationship-with-multi-year-digital-media-rights-agreement.aspx

I haven't seen anything, could be involved in the deal they already signed with ESPN a bit ago.

[HR_Poke]

On 9/24/2023 at 11:29 AM, CPslograd said:

I have noticed a trend of Wyoming fans not valuing Hawaii as a MWC member.  It is a little funny when they mention the travel issues.  Honolulu from Nevada or California is not a tough flight.  I think it's easier travel there than to Logan or Laramie.

Hawaii has good football tradition and a long history with the PST teams of the conference.  

I agree that they do need to get serious about their stadium situation.

It's easier to take a 6 hour flight than 2 hour flight and 2 hour bus ride?

[CPslograd]

On 9/24/2023 at 2:26 PM, HR_Poke said:

It's easier to take a 6 hour flight than 2 hour flight and 2 hour bus ride?

Sure, hop on a plane at FAT, get a fruity cocktail then take a nap, presto, you land and some cute girl puts a leia around your neck.  A shuttle takes you ten minutes to the hotel for the night.  Get up in the morning and go to the AZ memorial, then go to practice.  Play a game the next day.

Not that hard.

[HR_Poke]

On 9/24/2023 at 4:04 PM, CPslograd said:

Sure, hop on a plane at FAT, get a fruity cocktail then take a nap, presto, you land and some cute girl puts a leia around your neck.  A shuttle takes you ten minutes to the hotel for the night.  Get up in the morning and go to the AZ memorial, then go to practice.  Play a game the next day.

Not that hard.

4 hours of travel time is easier than 6.

[CPslograd]

On 9/24/2023 at 3:07 PM, HR_Poke said:

4 hours of travel time is easier than 6.

I’d rather drive 6 hours with no traffic than two in LA traffic, so it’s not that simple.

traveling into major airports close to hotels is a lot easier than two legged trips and dealing with weather.

[SAMO]

On 9/24/2023 at 3:31 PM, CPslograd said:

I’d rather drive 6 hours with no traffic than two in LA traffic, so it’s not that simple.

traveling into major airports close to hotels is a lot easier than two legged trips and dealing with weather.

Totally agree…Was just in LA…stayed on Sunset in WeHo at the Andaz/Riot Hyatt…and felt about like D-FENS from “falling down” after 3 days driving between there and DTLA…lol

NYC at least has a functional subway…lol 

I absolutely love LA…but holy shit the traffic is bad…lol

[HR_Poke]

On 9/24/2023 at 4:31 PM, CPslograd said:

I’d rather drive 6 hours with no traffic than two in LA traffic, so it’s not that simple.

traveling into major airports close to hotels is a lot easier than two legged trips and dealing with weather.

I disagree, hate being on planes that long. Way worse than driving.