Conference Realignment thread

[fanhood]

On 9/22/2023 at 11:49 AM, fanhood said:

@clydebeav welcome to the Mountain West/New Pac 12, where we all despise each other. It is great, frankly. It is exactly how conferences are supposed to be. We'll find reasons to hate your program soon enough. 

 

@clydebeav what is the scuttlebutt over in Beaver land? What do they think is going to happen next in  regards to the new Pacific athletic conference?

[fanhood]

On 9/23/2023 at 2:12 AM, ShoichiKUN808 said:

Bowl game, takes none-to-minimal media revenue share (because of the school's unique tv arrangement with Spectrum), provides travel subs, 'Week 0' (allowing 13th game or extra bye week) option to schools that play in the islands that season, and has long histories with most of the members in the conference.

The school does have involvement with Football-related conference decisions.

I lived on the Islands during the Colt era. The old Aloha Stadium was rocking.  It was one of the best times of my life. As such, I’ll always have affinity for UH.

With that, I only would want Hawaii to stay in the conference if the new PAC could add Gonzaga for all other sports. Also, UH would need to fill the Midnight to 0100 time slot for every home game, giving Fox or CBS more content.

If the above is not possible, I would prefer having UTSA.

 

Also, UH is one of the few programs I can make independence work. If I were them, I would want to control my schedule for all 13 games, social media does ensuring a winning season, and a bowl game most years.

[Headbutt]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:08 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Well, Hawaii are an anchor school for a theoretical pods of 3 along with SJSU and SDSU, Well, dadgum it we better keep them around in case we go to that stupid pod system, that's what counts.      have military significance,  Are we fixin' to attack the B12?  Count me in, I've got my own guns and everything.    and are necessary if Army+Navy are to give pause   Pause to what.  Are you thinking that Army and Navy will refuse to join a conference unless we can double their travel time???

 

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 9/23/2023 at 10:00 PM, fanhood said:

I lived on the Islands during the Colt era. The old Aloha Stadium was rocking.  It was one of the best times of my life. As such, I’ll always have affinity for UH.

With that, I only would want Hawaii to stay in the conference if the new PAC could add Gonzaga for all other sports. Also, UH would need to fill the Midnight to 0100 time slot for every home game, giving Fox or CBS more content.

If the above is not possible, I would prefer having UTSA.

 

Also, UH is one of the few programs I can make independence work. If I were them, I would want to control my schedule for all 13 games, social media does ensuring a winning season, and a bowl game most years.

Independence would kill UH football.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 9:16 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

How many MWC teams actually took advantage of the 13th game in 2022? One? Two? At what point will the state of Hawaii begin to support their state university? They certainly haven't done much of that of over the past couple decades. And when will Aloha Stadium be rebuilt, 2030? Will Hawaii continue to play in a glorified DIII stadium until then?

BTW, I have no idea who this other guy you think I am is. I just joined this forum because it's pretty obvious the Pac-2 will have some sort of relationship with the MWC going forward. 

And I've followed the MWC for more than two decades, and the WAC before that. My wife is a Wyo grad who played in the marching band, we visit Wyoming for a week or two at least once every summer, a kid of a very close family friend played at Wyo, and we just got our Albany County property tax bill in the mail yesterday. 

 

On 9/23/2023 at 9:54 PM, OzzyOzz said:

You must be the frog guy then...

 

This is awesome.  A new rivalry in our would-be conf that may rival the Border War. 

Welcome aboard boys...

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 10:08 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Well, Hawaii are an anchor school for a theoretical pods of 3 along with SJSU and SDSU, have military significance, and are necessary if Army+Navy are to give pause 

 

Huh???

So we want Hawai’i in case the Mtn West declares war on China?

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/24/2023 at 1:48 AM, Headbutt said:

 

 

My thoughts exactly.  These connections @OzzyOzz make zero sense to me.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:11 AM, renoskier said:

wrong, it's a relatively large market and a good recruiting ground.

as a football only member the travel is negligible and completely overshadowed by the positive scheduling possibilities.

 

Is there really a “positive scheduling” aspect.  I’m guessing it’s been over a decade since CSU has opted to use the 13th-game when available.

Who is adding the 13th game?

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:25 AM, OzzyOzz said:

Mmm..Hawaii does belong somewhere, there is a higher % of people actively participating in sports&athletics there than elsewhere..and the University itself is really nice. They have an extremely underrated law school, in international affairs a law degree from Hawaii puts you in such a unique position (military law, maritime law, usa-asian international relations..it can be leveraged just as advantageously as an ivy league qualification by the right person). They have nice and clean facilities and their scientific research efforts are unique to them because of their geography. It is a university that can never die.

They also were one of the "safest campuses in America" when I was there, and that's a shout out to not just them lol but 99.99999% mostly them lol..actually maybe 105% them lol hqha

I'm not so nice about other aspects of their university however but overall their value is more solid than most any university in America for reasons that people don't really ever consider. I'd recommend that university over many for sure..

 

YUP…Hawai’i checks all the boxes for conference expansion:

* Strong youth soccer pgms

* A “nice” university 

* "Under-rated" academic pgms

* Campus safety

 

This just in, a law degree from Hawai’i is never mentioned in the same breath as an Ivy JD.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/23/2023 at 1:18 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Speaking of another good university, the University is Wyoming would be a dream university for me to have gone to. The geology program there must be something else..

The Universities that don't make sense to me are the City universities. I mean, aren't their charters supposed to be more considerate of their specific localities? They don't have much of a role to play in State politics, none at the federal level, and aren't city jurisdictions mostly concentrated on proper traffic code enforcement? I mean, what business does San Diego have playing the WHOLE state of Washington. The whole state? I mean Pullman is tough enough for many, add in East and West and along the Gorge? 1 San Diego? 

I mean, San Diego should be concerned about Seattle University and Portland State...but idk idk

Don't get me wrong..the first universities were in effect city council universities...there's no shame in it. It's a good thing. I just don't see what their value is in state and federal affairs if not just to train a workforce and provide social commentary, which is what city colleges are meant for..

Commentary and institutional criticism are very critical functions in society. It is an admirable role they play. 

 

I haven’t been on this thread for a while.  Can somebody explain to me what goes on with this post & this poster?

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/21/2023 at 2:59 PM, HR_Poke said:

So you are hanging your superiority hat on a supposed invitation as a desparation backfiller for a dissolving conference?

 

Not entirely.  He also thinks SDSU is hot shit because they where duped into accepting a bid from an East Coast based conf that lost 1/2-their-members & it’s name, before they played their 1st-game there.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 9/21/2023 at 4:56 PM, wolfpack1 said:

No actually OS Beaver last I saw was running with if they did deregulation what schools would be in the level with WSU and OSU and which MWC would be left out

 

What’s being deregulated?  

How many & which rules are you getting rid of?

 

 

[NorCalCoug]

On 9/24/2023 at 12:56 AM, Red Ted Redemption said:

Do we know how much the wcc schools are making with this deal 

 

https://wccsports.com/news/2023/8/14/general-west-coast-conference-expands-espn-relationship-with-multi-year-digital-media-rights-agreement.aspx

Prevailing thought amongst BYU and other WCC fans is somewhere between $500K - $1M.  But no one knows for sure.

[Spot50B]

On 9/23/2023 at 10:54 PM, OzzyOzz said:

You must be the frog guy then...

Yep. Time for a VPN check...

[NorCalCoug]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:37 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

I haven’t been on this thread for a while.  Can somebody explain to me what goes on with this post & this poster?

 

Not sure, but this gif comes to mind reading some of his/her posts….

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/23/2023 at 11:16 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

How many MWC teams actually took advantage of the 13th game in 2022? One? Two? At what point will the state of Hawaii begin to support their state university? They certainly haven't done much of that of over the past couple decades. And when will Aloha Stadium be rebuilt, 2030? Will Hawaii continue to play in a glorified DIII stadium until then?

BTW, I have no idea who this other guy you think I am is. I just joined this forum because it's pretty obvious the Pac-2 will have some sort of relationship with the MWC going forward. 

And I've followed the MWC for more than two decades, and the WAC before that. My wife is a Wyo grad who played in the marching band, we visit Wyoming for a week or two at least once every summer, a kid of a very close family friend played at Wyo, and we just got our Albany County property tax bill in the mail yesterday. 

You came in hot to the MWC board about Hawaii, now it's your turn to do your own homework about Hawaii. 

But I will give you a hint about your Hawaii hasn't done much the past couple decades (20 years)? Multiple top 25 rankings, 2007 Sugar Bowl (Hawaii lost 41 -10 to Georgia which is actually better against an NFL talent loaded team with Super Bowl winning QB Mathew Stanford, RB Knowshon Moreno, AJ Green just mention a few. Then TCU that is worst blowout loss ever in BCS, playoff, NY6 or in the Natty did against an NFL talent team Georgia Team 66-7). MWC Championship game in 2019.

How many BCS games, Playoff, NY6 or Natty has OSU played in the past couple decades (20 years)? Thats right ZERO, NADA, NOTHING, NONE!!! There are more MWC/WAC teams that have played in BCS/NY6 games than OSU in the past couple decades.

Let's talk about the highly ranked OSU, How was the WSU/OSU game yesterday?

I watched the game, WSU put the beat down on OSU all game... for those that just checked the final score and didn't watch that game it was never close all game. WSU stopped being aggressive in the final 8 minutes of the 4th quarter by running the clock out and played prevent defense to let OSU back in the game. And OSU still lost! 

I had a feeling this years OSU team was overrated when they struggled against SDSU and WSU confirmed it.

 

 

[modestobulldog]

On 9/23/2023 at 1:18 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Speaking of another good university, the University is Wyoming would be a dream university for me to have gone to. The geology program there must be something else..

The Universities that don't make sense to me are the City universities. I mean, aren't their charters supposed to be more considerate of their specific localities? They don't have much of a role to play in State politics, none at the federal level, and aren't city jurisdictions mostly concentrated on proper traffic code enforcement? I mean, what business does San Diego have playing the WHOLE state of Washington. The whole state? I mean Pullman is tough enough for many, add in East and West and along the Gorge? 1 San Diego? 

I mean, San Diego should be concerned about Seattle University and Portland State...but idk idk

Don't get me wrong..the first universities were in effect city council universities...there's no shame in it. It's a good thing. I just don't see what their value is in state and federal affairs if not just to train a workforce and provide social commentary, which is what city colleges are meant for..

Commentary and institutional criticism are very critical functions in society. It is an admirable role they play. 

[Beaver-Poke]

On 9/24/2023 at 7:48 AM, WarriorTyme said:

You came in hot to the MWC board about Hawaii, now it's your turn to do your own homework about Hawaii. 

But I will give you a hint about your Hawaii hasn't done much the past couple decades (20 years)? Multiple top 25 rankings, 2007 Sugar Bowl (Hawaii lost 41 -10 to Georgia which is actually better against an NFL talent loaded team with Super Bowl winning QB Mathew Stanford, RB Knowshon Moreno, AJ Green just mention a few. Then TCU that is worst blowout loss ever in BCS, playoff, NY6 or in the Natty did against an NFL talent team Georgia Team 66-7). MWC Championship game in 2019.

How many BCS games, Playoff, NY6 or Natty has OSU played in the past couple decades (20 years)? Thats right ZERO, NADA, NOTHING, NONE!!! There are more MWC/WAC teams that have played in BCS/NY6 games than OSU in the past couple decades.

Let's talk about the highly ranked OSU, How was the WSU/OSU game yesterday?

I watched the game, WSU put the beat down on OSU all game... for those that just checked the final score and didn't watch that game it was never close all game. WSU stopped being aggressive in the final 8 minutes of the 4th quarter by running the clock out and played prevent defense to let OSU back in the game. And OSU still lost! 

I had a feeling this years OSU team was overrated when they struggled against SDSU and WSU confirmed it.

 

 

Again, please just answer the questions.

* How many MWC teams took advantage of the 13th-game option last year?

* When is the state of Hawaii going to start supporting its premier state university at an acceptable level?

* When is this new Aloha Stadium you talk about going to be completed? Has construction even started? 

Like Hawaii, OSU has been to one top-flight bowl game in the 20th century, the 2001 Fiesta Bowl. Unlike Hawaii, Oregon State won, by five touchdowns. 

Unlike Hawaii, OSU also has an outstanding stadium, not something straight out of Texas high school football.

 

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/24/2023 at 10:06 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

Again, please just answer the questions.

* How many MWC teams took advantage of the 13th-game option last year?

* When is the state of Hawaii going to start supporting its premier state university at an acceptable level?

* When is this new Aloha Stadium you talk about going to be completed? Has construction even started? 

Like Hawaii, OSU has been to one top-flight bowl game in the 20th century, the 2001 Fiesta Bowl. Unlike Hawaii, Oregon State won, by five touchdowns. 

Unlike Hawaii, OSU also has an outstanding stadium, not something straight out of Texas high school football.

 

I see you stretched it back to 23 years, instead of a couple decades 20 years, well played! 

Hawaii always supports it's premier University, if your talking about a new Stadium that is at the government level of bureaucracy. Same reason it hard to get thing built in California, that why Elon Musk moved to Texas and got his Giga Factory built in Austin at a record setting pace in 18 months. That would have taking him 5 years or more in Northern California. Hawaii has the same amount of blocking by activist & lobbyist to build anything, anywhere in Hawaii. It's not about the State or Fans not supporting it's premier University, you can't compare the activist & lobbyist blocking everything in Hawaii to most other states, except California. 

Plus, fact Oregon State remodeled it's Stadium not build a brand new stadium. That a huge difference. Aloha Stadium wasn't able to be renovated anymore it has to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. It takes way longer to tear down and rebuild from scratch, than to remodel within the already built stadium with minimal impact to the environment for permits and activist & lobbyist to intervene. It's easier to build on an empty lot than tear down and rebuild. Apples to Oranges scenario.

The TC Ching Field is not the best option, but on an Island with limited space, got to make lemons into lemonade. The attendance will go up as the team wins games, just like any other school. But to get back to the times when Hawaii was ranked it wasn't unusual for Aloha Stadium to have 35K to full house 50K attendance consistently. To return to those levels it has to be when the new Stadium is built, TC Ching field could be expanded to 20K but after that it's probably best to wait until the new stadium is built for safety reasons. 

As far as TV and Streaming eyeballs, Hawaii doesn't take a Revenue Share from the MWC for home games, Hawaii opted to keep it's own pay per view service for home games. Not many teams have the support of their entire State like Hawaii to pull off their own PPV for sports. 

I'm not going to look up every team that has played Hawaii will or has taken advantage of that 13th game in 2022. Because I know that some used the 13 game in 2022, some defer to use it in a future schedule. I can't predict the future when they will opt in to grab that bag of money for that 13th game. Some will use it on the 0 week game in a future schedule to give their team an extra bye week for on a 12-game season. Too many benefits of scheduling Hawaii with that 13 game or 0 week game to add and extra bye week or more live game reps for team building or extra pay day game. 

Hawaii also brings with it the Hawaii Bowl, yep a bowl game that comes with having Hawaii as a conference member. But the State of Hawaii doesn't support its Premier University at an acceptable level?! The State of Hawaii fans and Hawaii Government pays for teams to fly to Hawaii to play Football, but doesn't support Hawaii Premier University at an acceptable level?! 

If you're talking about money, State of Hawaii has supported it's Premier University for decades. If you talking about the attendance of game at the temporary TC Field then that has some limitations due to limited space being available on an Island and parking at TC Ching is a beast to find. Oregon State in Pullman is not exactly the most expensive place to live the COLA probably isn't anywhere near San Francisco, New York, Washington DC or Honolulu? 

This is a complex issue. And I gave you more than you deserved! I'm not wasting any more time educating you and if you want to look back to see how many teams used that 13 game in 2022 from previous seasons credit or just that season in some form or fashion. Knock yourself out, have fun that! 

The voters put OSU too high at 14th in the nation and now we know there were overrated. DJ U was overrated at Clemson and everyone knew it, that's why he sat in the portal so long, Alabama and so many other teams needed a QB and they passed on DJ U. There was even a time when it as DJ U to Hawaii, which none of us really wanted to pay the NIL for him. Thank goodness OSU paid to NLI him away from Hawaii, none of us wanted to overpay for an overrated QB. Hawaii used that money for pay for travel subs or other more fitting options. 

 

 

 

[OzzyOzz]

On 9/24/2023 at 6:37 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

I haven’t been on this thread for a while.  Can somebody explain to me what goes on with this post & this poster?

 

I, on the other hand, don't give AF to know who you are. Says something, doesn't it?