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On 9/22/2023 at 11:53 AM, masterfrog said:

Why is the Mountain West so interested in Washington State?  It fits the general profile, but what do they really bring to the conference?  It isn’t an easy place to get to. In fact, I saw during the Wisconsin game that the Badgers were the first Power 5 school to visit Pullman for a non conference game since 1998. That doesn’t scream big nonconference television matchups for the tv partners. 

As others have stated, they are both large public land-grant universities. They are both Carnegie R1 and are space grant. They greatly improve the academic and research profile of the conference. In athletics, they would have one of the larger spending budgets in the Conference. 

The MWC largely consists of large public research universities with large student bodies and large research affiliations. W/OSU check all the boxes pretty much perfectly. It is a good match for both sides. 

 

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On 9/21/2023 at 2:29 PM, Billings said:

Well back in the day of the Early WaC with ASU, AU, Wyo, Utah, CSU, NM, etc wyo played in the Sugar bowl and was ranked as high as 5th if I remember correctly.  SO yea the Early WAC was a power conference

WAC and ACC were also considered at the same level ('power conference') in the CFA era.

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On 9/21/2023 at 3:23 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Actually, it was a great answer since offers of promotion are based almost entirely on the perceived value of the offeree.

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You value is demonstrated by the conference you are in.  If you had received any "offer" (which you haven't), your administration would've fallen all over themselves to have accepted it.  You've received the same amount of offers as any one else here, zero.  Wake up, dude.

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On 9/22/2023 at 10:40 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Why in the world would you assume I’d talk like that if I were the commish? That’s silly. 

If you really think about it, I mean really think about it, the full reverse merger with the MWC or just joining the MWC are their only 2 best options, by far. Otherwise they are 100% screwed. 100%. 

They don’t just need schools, they need good schools, they need 10 to 12 schools to make the cfb playoff happy, and they need 10 to 12 good schools that are close enough geographically and make sense with geographical rivals and matchups people will watch on TV. 

If they went to get UNT, Rice, UTSA, South Florida, Memphis, FIU, etc, the twins would have to put their BB and Olympic Sports into an FCS conference because of the travel costs and time. And no MWC school is going to join that. It’s just undoable. And the AAC schools would have to worry about the twins jumping ship in the future with such a small conference. 

With the MWC schools, the twins get the best FB and BB, no Olympic sport issues, travel is reasonable, regional rivalries keep attendance strong, solid seat at the playoff, etc. It’s their only move. 

100% agree...reverse merger with the MWC schools is their only feasible action, so no need to lay down the ultimatum. Let them save face by pretending they have better options for a month or two, commiserate with them about how unfair it all is, then sign the deal making sure the details are as favorable as possible to the hammer-carrying MWC!  

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On 9/21/2023 at 11:14 PM, wolfpack1 said:

That is what I have been saying for a bit, people need to cool their jets. We need Step 1 to be finished before moving onto Step 2 then Step 3 and all that. And really we have to wait until the court rules again or some settlement between the schools is made. For all we know the judge is trying to get them to settle it among themselves in some form so they don't have to take a more active role in this which could also lead to appeals and more injunctions as well.

So after we get Navy and Tulane, do we take Memphis and Buffalo?

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Hello group, Beaver fan from beautiful Corvallis, hubby and SIL of Wyoming grads, huge Pokes fan, cabin owner in Centennial and Wyoming taxpayer here.

Watch the entire press conference. In numerous instances Barnes (OSU AD) specifically mentions the health and welfare of student athletes will be a primary concern going forward and then he links that directly with regional competition. Regional means only one thing, a future with the MWC schools.

IMHO, once the Pac-12's legal issues are resolved, and OSU and WSU retain the sole voting rights for all issues involving the future of the conference beyond 8/1/24, a reverse merger will be forthcoming, the MWC votes to dissolve, and no schools pay any sort of exit fees.  All 11 WMC schools (no Hawaii for football, they add nothing and are a money pit), continue under the Pac brand (more national recognition), starting in 2024-25 or 2025-26.

Some formula for the distribution of future Pac-12 funds from the NCAA and CFP throughout the league, and a new TV contract with significantly higher payouts and perhaps a streaming deal with Apple. Gloria Nevarez, who the Pac-12 ADs trust because she worked with the league for more than a decade, continues as commissioner.

This new league won't be the Pac-12. I accept that. It will be the best option available for all 13 schools, it will be the only real Western conference, and it will be what a conference is supposed to be - a group of similar academic universities from the same geographic area with like-minded interests. Once we start playing and competing for championships and establishing new rivalries, people will forget about the old Pac-12 pretty quickly.

PS: The OSU president is smart as a whip, she was most recently the dean of UCLA's engineering school. English is not her native language and that handicaps here in news conferences, etc. 

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On 9/22/2023 at 4:00 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Hello group, Beaver fan, hubby and SIL of Wyoming grads, huge Pokes fan, cabin owner in Centennial and Wyoming taxpayer here.

Watch the entire press conference. In numerous instances Barnes (OSU AD) specifically mentions the health and welfare of student athletes will be a primary concern going forward and then he links that directly with regional competition. Regional means only one thing, a future with the MWC schools.

IMHO, once the Pac-12's legal issues are resolved, and OSU and WSU retain the sole voting rights for all issues involving the future of the conference beyond 8/1/24, a reverse merger will be forthcoming, the MWC votes to dissolve, and no schools pay any sort of exit fees.  All 11 WMC schools (no Hawaii for football, they add nothing and are a money pit), continue under the Pac brand (more national recognition), starting in 2024-25 or 2025-26.

Some formula for the distribution of future Pac-12 funds from the NCAA and CFP throughout the league, and a new TV contract with significantly higher payouts and perhaps a streaming deal with Apple. Gloria Nevarez, who the Pac-12 ADs trust because she worked with the league for more than a decade, continues as commissioner.

This new league won't be the Pac-12. I accept that. It will be the best option available for all 13 schools, it will be the only real Western conference, and it will be what a conference is supposed to be - a group of similar academic universities from the same geographic area with like-minded interests. Once we start playing and competing for championships and establishing new rivalries, people will forget about the old Pac-12 pretty quickly.

PS: The OSU president is smart as a whip, she was most recently the dean of UCLA's engineering school. English is not her native language and that handicaps here in news conferences, etc. 

Yep, totally agree with this. 

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On 9/22/2023 at 4:00 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Hello group, Beaver fan from beautiful Corvallis, hubby and SIL of Wyoming grads, huge Pokes fan, cabin owner in Centennial and Wyoming taxpayer here.

Watch the entire press conference. In numerous instances Barnes (OSU AD) specifically mentions the health and welfare of student athletes will be a primary concern going forward and then he links that directly with regional competition. Regional means only one thing, a future with the MWC schools.

IMHO, once the Pac-12's legal issues are resolved, and OSU and WSU retain the sole voting rights for all issues involving the future of the conference beyond 8/1/24, a reverse merger will be forthcoming, the MWC votes to dissolve, and no schools pay any sort of exit fees.  All 11 WMC schools (no Hawaii for football, they add nothing and are a money pit), continue under the Pac brand (more national recognition), starting in 2024-25 or 2025-26.

Some formula for the distribution of future Pac-12 funds from the NCAA and CFP throughout the league, and a new TV contract with significantly higher payouts and perhaps a streaming deal with Apple. Gloria Nevarez, who the Pac-12 ADs trust because she worked with the league for more than a decade, continues as commissioner.

This new league won't be the Pac-12. I accept that. It will be the best option available for all 13 schools, it will be the only real Western conference, and it will be what a conference is supposed to be - a group of similar academic universities from the same geographic area with like-minded interests. Once we start playing and competing for championships and establishing new rivalries, people will forget about the old Pac-12 pretty quickly.

PS: The OSU president is smart as a whip, she was most recently the dean of UCLA's engineering school. English is not her native language and that handicaps here in news conferences, etc. 

Nope.  Can't leave Hawaii out.  I get your point but it will have to be all or nothing.  These decisions will involve Gloria (the lady you want as commissioner) and she has the responsibility of representing the entire MWC.  She may agree with you, but she has a duty to fight any plan that leaves a MWC team out in the cold.  Even just one.  I think she opens herself up to legal issues if she becomes a commissioner of a conference that didn't take all of her teams.  She can be overriden by the rest of the teams of course, but she has to walk a fine line if that is how it goes down.

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On 9/22/2023 at 3:48 PM, Headbutt said:

Nope.  Can't leave Hawaii out.  I get your point but it will have to be all or nothing.  These decisions will involve Gloria (the lady you want as commissioner) and she has the responsibility of representing the entire MWC.  She may agree with you, but she has a duty to fight any plan that leaves a MWC team out in the cold.  Even just one.  I think she opens herself up to legal issues if she becomes a commissioner of a conference that didn't take all of her teams.  She can be overriden by the rest of the teams of course, but she has to walk a fine line if that is how it goes down.

Hawaii is a Big West Conference team. As an affiliate member in ONE sport, it has no voting rights in the MWC. It adds absolutely nothing for football, other than marginally aiding in scheduling. 

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On 9/22/2023 at 4:56 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Hawaii is a Big West Conference team. As an affiliate member in ONE sport, it has no voting rights in the MWC. It adds absolutely nothing for football, other than marginally aiding in scheduling. 

I'm not sure on the voting rights.  I do believe they have some say in FB matters.  Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong but I am saying that if she works to jettison Hawaii (or even doesn't work to avoid it) in order to better her position (or just the appearance of it) will be problematic.

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On 9/22/2023 at 12:56 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Hawaii is a Big West Conference team. As an affiliate member in ONE sport, it has no voting rights in the MWC. It adds absolutely nothing for football, other than marginally aiding in scheduling. 

Bowl game, takes none-to-minimal media revenue share (because of the school's unique tv arrangement with Spectrum), provides travel subs, 'Week 0' (allowing 13th game or extra bye week) option to schools that play in the islands that season, and has long histories with most of the members in the conference.

The school does have involvement with Football-related conference decisions.

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On 9/22/2023 at 12:58 PM, Brew_Poke said:

So after we get Navy and Tulane, do we take Memphis and Buffalo?

I have said in the past, Memphis would be the only intriguing school from AAC for me right now but the travel would be horrible and probably would need another school in that area to help.

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On 9/22/2023 at 4:07 PM, Headbutt said:

I'm not sure on the voting rights.  I do believe they have some say in FB matters.  Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong but I am saying that if she works to jettison Hawaii (or even doesn't work to avoid it) in order to better her position (or just the appearance of it) will be problematic.

I believe they do get a say on football matters for the conference and a vote for football, however if it comes to dissolve, I don't believe they have a vote for that because they aren't a full member. 

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On 9/22/2023 at 5:00 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Hello group, Beaver fan from beautiful Corvallis, hubby and SIL of Wyoming grads, huge Pokes fan, cabin owner in Centennial and Wyoming taxpayer here.

Watch the entire press conference. In numerous instances Barnes (OSU AD) specifically mentions the health and welfare of student athletes will be a primary concern going forward and then he links that directly with regional competition. Regional means only one thing, a future with the MWC schools.

IMHO, once the Pac-12's legal issues are resolved, and OSU and WSU retain the sole voting rights for all issues involving the future of the conference beyond 8/1/24, a reverse merger will be forthcoming, the MWC votes to dissolve, and no schools pay any sort of exit fees.  All 11 WMC schools (no Hawaii for football, they add nothing and are a money pit), continue under the Pac brand (more national recognition), starting in 2024-25 or 2025-26.

Some formula for the distribution of future Pac-12 funds from the NCAA and CFP throughout the league, and a new TV contract with significantly higher payouts and perhaps a streaming deal with Apple. Gloria Nevarez, who the Pac-12 ADs trust because she worked with the league for more than a decade, continues as commissioner.

This new league won't be the Pac-12. I accept that. It will be the best option available for all 13 schools, it will be the only real Western conference, and it will be what a conference is supposed to be - a group of similar academic universities from the same geographic area with like-minded interests. Once we start playing and competing for championships and establishing new rivalries, people will forget about the old Pac-12 pretty quickly.

PS: The OSU president is smart as a whip, she was most recently the dean of UCLA's engineering school. English is not her native language and that handicaps here in news conferences, etc. 

OS Beaver is that you? You decided to finally join the MWC board. Looks like you are related to Rocket Scientist Robert Rebel with that leave Hawaii out talk. Listen, Beaver Nuggets... Sorry to break it to you, Hawaii has a vote in the MWC and this will be a full merger MWC/PAC to 14 teams. If Hawaii gets left out that would open the door for other teams to be left out. Nevada, SJSU, Utah State, UNLV, Wyoming and others could be out. 

We are the MWC that stick together (except maybe SDSU) and not the PAC 12 with it's traitorous 10. 

OS Beaver Poke we appreciate your honest yet misguided opinion, but your OSU Beavers will be one of 14 teams. Either by Merger or worst case you have to come hat in hand and OSU join MWC. See you soon playing football in Hawaii! Mahalo & Aloha! 

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On 9/22/2023 at 5:36 PM, WarriorTyme said:

OS Beaver is that you? You decided to finally join the MWC board. Looks like you are related to Rocket Scientist Robert Rebel with that leave Hawaii out talk. Listen, Beaver Nuggets... Sorry to break it to you, Hawaii has a vote in the MWC and this will be a full merger MWC/PAC to 14 teams. If Hawaii gets left out that would open the door for other teams to be left out. Nevada, SJSU, Utah State, UNLV, Wyoming and others could be out. 

We are the MWC that stick together (except maybe SDSU) and not the PAC 12 with it's traitorous 10. 

OS Beaver Poke we appreciate your honest yet misguided opinion, but your OSU Beavers will be one of 14 teams. Either by Merger or worst case you have to come hat in hand and OSU join MWC. See you soon playing football in Hawaii! Mahalo & Aloha! 

First I think we have established that OS Beaver and Rebel Robert are probably the same people.

However my understanding is that Hawaii does not have a conference vote because they are not a full member but can vote on football matters. But this is my understanding that if MWC has talks about dissolving the conference or inviting schools to the conference, Hawaii doesn't get a vote on that, but if there is a question about football scheduling they can have a vote on that.

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