Brew_Poke Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 2:22 PM, 818SUDSFan said: Lol! How many times have Wyo, USU, SJSU, etc. been considered for admission to a power conference? Nice non-answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 1:22 PM, 818SUDSFan said: Lol! How many times have Wyo, USU, SJSU, etc. been considered for admission to a power conference? Well back in the day of the Early WaC with ASU, AU, Wyo, Utah, CSU, NM, etc wyo played in the Sugar bowl and was ranked as high as 5th if I remember correctly. SO yea the Early WAC was a power conference 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoichiKUN808 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 The promotion-relegation system would be an interesting concept. In a way it feels like a 2-division format of 8 schools in each, especially if both conferences would be managed by the same commissioner. The conference would be fully moving under a performance-based pay system. With one being the 'Mountain West' division, and the other being the 'PAC' division. Except, the divisions will adjust either every year or every other year. The 2 top 'Mountain West' teams go to the 'PAC', the 2 bottom 'PAC' teams to the 'Mountain West'. Allows the bottom teams to work their way up against other bottom teams in the 'Mountain West', while the top teams have to hold their own in the 'PAC'. Would likely get the schools to update the bylaws to eliminate an exit fee between the two conferences as well as there is no reason if there is going to be yearly movement between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanGrad Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 1:29 PM, ShoichiKUN808 said: The promotion-relegation system would be an interesting concept. In a way it feels like a 2-division format of 8 schools in each, especially if both conferences would be managed by the same commissioner. The conference would be fully moving under a performance-based pay system. With one being the 'Mountain West' division, and the other being the 'PAC' division. Except, the divisions will adjust either every year or every other year. The 2 top 'Mountain West' teams go to the 'PAC', the 2 bottom 'PAC' teams to the 'Mountain West'. Allows the bottom teams to work their way up against other bottom teams in the 'Mountain West', while the top teams have to hold their own in the 'PAC'. Would likely get the schools to update the bylaws to eliminate an exit fee between the two conferences as well as there is no reason if there is going to be yearly movement between the two. Should be three conferences. PAC, MWC, WCC (Big Sky). Gets real interesting that way 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkysDad Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 2:40 PM, SpartanGrad said: Should be three conferences. PAC, MWC, WCC (Big Sky). Gets real interesting that way Pro European Soccer teams don't change their level of talent much year-to-year. Yes, they lose good players but buy good players to maintain talent. Also the "lifespan" of a pro soccer player actually being a contributor on the field is much longer than the actual on-the-field lifespan of a better than average college football player which is basically 2-3 years. As an example, the young USMNT will have the impact of a good portion of their top players for 3 World Cups (held every 4 years). Landon Donovan played in 3 WCs as another example. Messi played in 5. Promotion/relegation won't work for college football (for a hundred reasons other than this one), but college teams, excluding the elite of the elite, can and do change fairly significantly from year-to-year and definitely far quicker than pro soccer clubs do. #rememberwhenNevadawasgood? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818SUDSFan Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 1:27 PM, Brew_Poke said: Nice non-answer. Actually, it was a great answer since offers of promotion are based almost entirely on the perceived value of the offeree. You and others similarly afraid of this idea: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818SUDSFan Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 1:29 PM, ShoichiKUN808 said: The promotion-relegation system would be an interesting concept. In a way it feels like a 2-division format of 8 schools in each, especially if both conferences would be managed by the same commissioner. The conference would be fully moving under a performance-based pay system. With one being the 'Mountain West' division, and the other being the 'PAC' division. Except, the divisions will adjust either every year or every other year. The 2 top 'Mountain West' teams go to the 'PAC', the 2 bottom 'PAC' teams to the 'Mountain West'. Allows the bottom teams to work their way up against other bottom teams in the 'Mountain West', while the top teams have to hold their own in the 'PAC'. Would likely get the schools to update the bylaws to eliminate an exit fee between the two conferences as well as there is no reason if there is going to be yearly movement between the two. Would also help to improve the conference overall because fear of relegation would motivate the Pac-8 teams to improve themselves while the opportunity for promotion would have the same effect on the MWC-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 2:22 PM, 818SUDSFan said: Lol! How many times have Wyo, USU, SJSU, etc. been considered for admission to a power conference? You need to learn your USU history. The answer is plenty if you go back 50-60 years. One of the oldest legacy teams in the conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818SUDSFan Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 2:36 PM, SteedLaw said: You need to learn your USU history. The answer is plenty if you go back 50-60 years. One of the oldest legacy teams in the conference. I said nothing about "legacy teams." My question involved POWER CONFERENCES. What POWER CONFERENCES has Utah State ever been close to joining? And BTW, I was very opposed to the MWC adding you guys. However, to your considerable credit, you have performed considerably better than I ever thought you would and at this point in time, I'd put you guys at the same level as Nevada with regard to your value to the Mountain West's brand and TV contracts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 WTF is a 'legacy team'? Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 4:22 PM, 818SUDSFan said: Lol! How many times have Wyo, USU, SJSU, etc. been considered for admission to a power conference? So you are hanging your superiority hat on a supposed invitation as a desparation backfiller for a dissolving conference? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobo-tomy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 2:59 PM, HR_Poke said: So you are hanging your superiority hat on a supposed invitation as a desparation backfiller for a dissolving conference? How it appeared to the rest of us. Quote Out of my mind for the Lobos!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorTyme Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Let me get this straight, a Boise State Associate AD came up with 24 team "Football Only" relegation league between how many conferences? This might work in 2030 but now in 2024 or 2025? Nope, to get an agreement between every conference is to super conference relegation league. And the plan is to have the Oly sports stay in there current conferences, what incentive does the AAC, Sunbelt, Conf USA or MWC to keep only the Oly sports. I guess the tourney credits but lose the big money sport Football? This seems like a non starter for a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 There was a webimare earlier tonight with Oregon St and Washington St president about where things are headed right now there wasn't really a lot of anything new. However one reporter did ask about GK: OSU said that GK is in a difficult position but the fact is the two schools are the only ones remaining while the WSU president elected not to answer the question. But there is growing speculation among some writers and such that the reason OSU and WSU are fighting so hard to get all the assets is to essentially buy their way into Big 12 like SMU did with ACC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 5:33 PM, wolfpack1 said: But there is growing speculation among some writers and such that the reason OSU and WSU are fighting so hard to get all the assets is to essentially buy their way into Big 12 like SMU did with ACC OS Beaver? :p Even if they won the lawsuit, they cannot just distribute the assets to just themselves. That would be a clear breach of fiduciary duty. And, no offense to the “writers”, but that flies directly in the face of what W/OSU have already said they are working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Oregon St AD also said the promotion/relegation model is worthy of our study and also mentioned that unequal media distribution, contraction, and/or pure relegation will take place, and believes it is coming. WSU President said they hope by the end of October to have a full picture of assets and liabilities and potential partnerships which will help in decision making OSU President also said that the student athletes deserve the ability to compete at the highest level possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 10:42 AM, 818SUDSFan said: You certainly can't be expected to know this so I'll clue you in. Good or bad, among the attributes of this board is that fans of schools like SDSU, Boise State, formerly Utah, BYU, and TCU and more recently Fresno State and UNLV, want out of the MWC. We see it as a conference that is slowly but surely dying, at least when it comes to football. Therefore, if we can't get a promotion, we want changes made within the conference which will reflect our greater value to the conference while simultaneously having the potential to improve it as a whole. In contrast, fans of MWC schools who see the conference as the pinnacle of their sports potential understandably don't want any changes. Until a couple months ago, I was very optimistic that SDSU would be leaving for a Pac-whatever. Contrary to what so many fans of USU, SJSU, and particularly Wyoming argued, I thought that even if SDSU wasn't added to the Pac, there was no way that every school but OSU and WSU would leave the Pac. I thought there was even less chance that if that occurred, you "twins" would join the MWC as many Aggies, Spartans and Cowboys said would occur. Being left behind was beyond the control of OSU and WSU. However, if you just roll over now and allow yourselves to be subsumed by an inferior league simply because of its numbers - and it thankfully appears that you are doing the opposite - those of us who support the most valuable members of the MWC will lose a lot of respect for you. You absolutely speak for yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 4:53 PM, SteedLaw said: OS Beaver? :p Even if they won the lawsuit, they cannot just distribute the assets to just themselves. That would be a clear breach of fiduciary duty. And, no offense to the “writers”, but that flies directly in the face of what W/OSU have already said they are working on. No actually OS Beaver last I saw was running with if they did deregulation what schools would be in the level with WSU and OSU and which MWC would be left out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 6:53 PM, SteedLaw said: OS Beaver? :p Even if they won the lawsuit, they cannot just distribute the assets to just themselves. That would be a clear breach of fiduciary duty. Actually, they can. The assets are owned by the conference. And the conference would have 2 members. And their fiduciary duty is to the conference and its members. Of which there will be 2 of those. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 4:55 PM, wolfpack1 said: Oregon St AD also said the promotion/relegation model is worthy of our study and also mentioned that unequal media distribution, contraction, and/or pure relegation will take place, and believes it is coming. WSU President said they hope by the end of October to have a full picture of assets and liabilities and potential partnerships which will help in decision making OSU President also said that the student athletes deserve the ability to compete at the highest level possible. OSU and WSU act like they have control and are calling the shots. They aren’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...