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On 9/20/2023 at 5:31 PM, jdgaucho said:

Any attempts to modify Title IX will be met with fierce resistance.  I have no faith this modern Congress has the stomach for it

You're undoubtedly correct. However, these big shot football schools could probably apply a lot of political pressure if reducing the power of Title IX is important enough to them.

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:35 PM, SteedLaw said:

Yep, this. The people pitching this have not even remotely thought this through. I have yet to hear how this could even work. 
 

And it is even worse. This poorly concocted scheme does not take into consideration the fact that nobody in this league would spend a single dime more than they absolutely had to on non-football athletics—and that would be true even for the winning teams.

It would take all of two years for the PAC/MWC to become the worst league in the country for all non-football sports. 
 

Stupid idea.

Perhaps Gloria is working on this right now to shore up the olys? Maybe getting a closer affiliation with the WCC and build 20 teams with Hawaii still being in the Big West for their olys. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:07 PM, SteedLaw said:

I was responding, in part, to the Boise State AD’s article where he was talking about 24 teams. I should have made that more clear.

And, I have yet to hear any rational argument as to how this could work? I still don’t see how this could even work with comprehensive athletic departments and multiple sports. I mean, unless schools would agree to be relegated or promoted as one based solely on football’s performance, but then who on their right mind under this model is paying any amount of money whatsoever for their non-football sports programs? This would single-handedly kill the quality of any non-football programs these schools have. 

And, the NCAA rules do not allow you to have football only (single sport) conferences.

Just not seeing it. 

The big-shot schools are going to leave the NCAA and set up their own regulatory system for football. It's not a question of if but simply when. If the NCAA balks at that, they'll remove all of their sports from NCAA jurisdiction.

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This may happen quicker than one might think. Especially if the ACC falls apart and gets out of the GOR. All bets are off and theBIG, SEC and B12 may pounce on them then split off and take the money with them. The PAC/MW needs to happen so we don't left behind. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:18 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

European football clubs aren’t subsidizing entire athletic departments. They are just, you know, football clubs. If they get relegated they can always reduce their payroll by selling players. Sure it would suck, but it’s doable. 
 

For an athletic department there is no player payroll to reduce, it’s mainly coaches. A school gets relegated in football after 5 years in the top league what are they going to do? Fire their successful woman’s basketball and baseball coaches because they just can’t afford them anymore?

That's easy. If they need to, they cut some sports. For example, SDSU has cut men's track and even the only sport the school ever won a NC in, men's volleyball. Then later because they needed to offer more women's scholarships, they created a women's rowing team. There was once an article in the Daily Aztec about that. The first year that team existed, the coach couldn't manage to recruit enough experienced rowers so he or she put up posters around campus offering tryouts. A couple girls who had never rowed in their life got scholarships. Ridiculous? Sure. But college sports has pretty much always been ridiculous.

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:54 PM, smithy said:

Perhaps Gloria is working on this right now to shore up the olys? Maybe getting a closer affiliation with the WCC and build 20 teams with Hawaii still being in the Big West for their olys. 

It will probably end up being obvious it was fortuitous for Craig Thompson to retire when he did so he could be replaced by a much more motivated and competent person.

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On 9/20/2023 at 7:54 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

The big-shot schools are going to leave the NCAA and set up their own regulatory system for football. It's not a question of if but simply when. If the NCAA balks at that, they'll remove all of their sports from NCAA jurisdiction.

Then, when that happens this could potentially work. Create one non-football conference with all non-football teams. Then, create two football only conferences with a promotion and relegation agreement between the two. 

That would work, but unfortunately does not work under current NCAA rules. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 7:08 PM, SteedLaw said:

Then, when that happens this could potentially work. Create one non-football conference with all non-football teams. Then, create two football only conferences which a promotion and relegation agreement between the two. 

That would work, but unfortunately does not work under current NCAA rules. 

To repeat, the NCAA is a dinosaur just waiting for the big meteor which is inevitably coming its way.

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On 9/20/2023 at 8:10 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

To repeat, the NCAA is a dinosaur just waiting for the big meteor which is inevitably coming its way.

Well…if this is true.
 

Then, yeah, I hope Gloria is working on getting what would be two non-NCAA sanctioned football-only conferences with a promotion/relegation agreement between the two approved by the powers of the CFP. Then, creating one multi-sport conference for BB and the rest of the Oly sports for both leagues. 

As long as the CFP powers accept what would be the top conference champion (i.e., the PAC champion) as an autobid to the CFP, and assuming other bowl tie-ins will not require the blessing of the NCAA, that is all that would matter. 

If this is really doable, then they should make that happen. But only after they get the nod from the CFP powers. Until then it would be undoable.

 

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:16 PM, utgrizfan said:

If they get 9 to vote on disbanding (still think a simple merger is more likely one way or another) I think the remaining 3 would try and rebuild rather then go to CUSA as someone else mentioned.

From the different lists I've seen on here and other forums it seems that  SJSU, Nevada and New Mexico would be on the chopping block more then the rest of the schools. They'd just have to add:

NMSU, UTEP, Montana, MSU, UC-Davis (or) Sac State, Idaho

That would get then to 9 teams with a full 8 game Conference Schedule, could also potentially add the following either as Football/Oly only or as full members:

SHSU, Tarleton State, NDSU, SDSU, GCU

Regardless of what happens or whatever combination of teams are left behind I feel as long as the MWC has anywhere from 3-6 schools (again not a very likely scenario in my opinion) they will be able to rebuild.

Joining C-USA is a better option than that

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On 9/20/2023 at 8:27 PM, wolfpack1 said:

Joining C-USA is a better option than that

I could see NMSU and UTEP at a minimum preferring to play out West more and cut down on their travel expenses. Don't think this will happen to begin with anyways and if the MWC stuck around they'd still have CBS and Fox

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On 9/20/2023 at 7:36 PM, utgrizfan said:

I could see NMSU and UTEP at a minimum preferring to play out West more and cut down on their travel expenses. Don't think this will happen to begin with anyways and if the MWC stuck around they'd still have CBS and Fox

Both options would kill those universities I mean C-USA isn't even getting $1 million a team for their contract I think I read

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On 9/20/2023 at 7:27 PM, wolfpack1 said:

Joining C-USA is a better option than that

To my knowledge, Nevarez hasn't said it would be two conferences. It's the media which has referred to it as such. Just refer to them as two "divisions" so relegation would be from the Pac-8 division to the MWC-8 division.

Folks need to take off their rose-colored glasses about this stuff. I'd recommend as a first step reading one or more of the following books.

The 50-Year Seduction: How Television Manipulated College Football, From the Birth of the Modern NCAA to the Creation of the BCS (2004) by Keith Dunnavant

The Dirty Game: Corruption, Gambling and the Pursuit of Money in NCAA Football and Basketball (2019) by Al Figone

What If? A Closer Look at College Football's Great Questions (2017) by Matt Brown

Unpaid Professionals: Commercialism and Conflict in Big-Time College Sports (1999) by Andrew Zimbalist

I listed the Zimbalist book last despite it having been the first one published because the opinion in the 2021 SCOTUS case blasting the NCAA relies on it significantly. I had already read it and my copy makes pretty obvious that I left it out in a drizzle one day. Matt Brown is now a well-respected journalist when it comes to realignment. The Dunnavant book really pissed me off. Figone is just some shlub like me but I enjoyed that book because one chapter focuses on UNLV and another is entitled "The University of New Mexico Gambling Scandal of 1979 - As Bad as it Ever Gets." When is that ever mentioned on this board?

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On 9/20/2023 at 7:06 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

That's easy. If they need to, they cut some sports. For example, SDSU has cut men's track and even the only sport the school ever won a NC in, men's volleyball. Then later because they needed to offer more women's scholarships, they created a women's rowing team. There was once an article in the Daily Aztec about that. The first year that team existed, the coach couldn't manage to recruit enough experienced rowers so he or she put up posters around campus offering tryouts. A couple girls who had never rowed in their life got scholarships. Ridiculous? Sure. But college sports has pretty much always been ridiculous.

 

Ironic that rowing was eventually cut because there were too many female athletes vis a vis the rest of the student population.

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On 9/20/2023 at 8:00 PM, jdgaucho said:

Ironic that rowing was eventually cut because there were too many female athletes vis a vis the rest of the student population.

You misunderstood. Rowing was CREATED to solve the not-enough women's scholarship problem. Rumor has it that at least in SD with Mission Bay, a rowing team can be had on the cheap.

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On 9/20/2023 at 8:21 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

You misunderstood. Rowing was CREATED to solve the not-enough women's scholarship problem. Rumor has it that at least in SD with Mission Bay, a rowing team can be had on the cheap.

 

Ahh.

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On 9/20/2023 at 6:16 PM, utgrizfan said:

If they get 9 to vote on disbanding (still think a simple merger is more likely one way or another) I think the remaining 3 would try and rebuild rather then go to CUSA as someone else mentioned.

From the different lists I've seen on here and other forums it seems that  SJSU, Nevada and New Mexico would be on the chopping block more then the rest of the schools. They'd just have to add:

NMSU, UTEP, Montana, MSU, UC-Davis (or) Sac State, Idaho

That would get then to 9 teams with a full 8 game Conference Schedule, could also potentially add the following either as Football/Oly only or as full members:

SHSU, Tarleton State, NDSU, SDSU, GCU

Regardless of what happens or whatever combination of teams are left behind I feel as long as the MWC has anywhere from 3-6 schools (again not a very likely scenario in my opinion) they will be able to rebuild.

Rebuild what?  If they vote to disband no MWC would exist.  

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On 9/20/2023 at 5:58 PM, Headbutt said:

They got no shot.  NIL is not controlled by the NCAA, it's member schools, or congress.  It's a private agreement between an athlete and a business.  Title IX has absolutely no bearing on NIL.  There's a lot to address with NIL, but none of it has anything to do with Tittle IX.

 

It is the collectives that are probably looking over their shoulders at Title IX. If collectives and schools get too cozy or close (such as the collective being connected to a University run foundation or organization) that might move into a Title IX gray area. Individual NIL deals are of course not the same.

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On 9/20/2023 at 8:21 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

You misunderstood. Rowing was CREATED to solve the not-enough women's scholarship problem. Rumor has it that at least in SD with Mission Bay, a rowing team can be had on the cheap.

Title IX and women’s sports has been totally F’d up.  Not because women don’t deserve opportunities to compete but because few schools added sports women care about.  Few women care about rowing.  I know multiple women who never rowed in their life and didn’t need the money offered Crew scholarships.  

Fresno at least did it right adding an Equestrian team.  If you have been to a local barn you would see it filled with young women.  Dance should be moved to the athletic department and everyone should have a female dance team.  

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