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On 9/20/2023 at 10:39 AM, dAB said:

This is not as easy as it sounds.  

The remaining 3 easily make a strong court case that the 9 directors were not voting in the best interest of the MWC when they voted to disband and therefore should have withdrawn from the board before the vote was taken.  

A BoD is bound to vote in the best interest (or what they deem as the best interests) of the conference not in the best interest of their school.

As you have correctly noted, they could do this vote per the bylaws of the voting procedures.  However, the responsibilities of the Director would probably preclude this kind of vote unless there was some kind of money buying off the remaining 3 schools.

There has to be a way to legal conference dissolution. It's not a contract signed in blood..

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The First Official Proposal for Promotion-Relegation In College Football                                                                             https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/                                                                                   Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has created what is believed to be the first formal proposals on the subject. He has written an in-depth plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones, with the opportunity for promotion and relegation at the end of each season. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 12:26 PM, wolf from 73 said:

The First Official Proposal for Promotion-Relegation In College Football                                                                             https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/                                                                                   Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has created what is believed to be the first formal proposals on the subject. He has written an in-depth plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones, with the opportunity for promotion and relegation at the end of each season. 

But there is no PAC 12 left to participate in.  What does OSU and WSU do for Oly sports in this scenario of keep existing conferences alive?.  Weird line in article.   So 24 FBS Football teams broken across three time zones.   Times they are a changing

 

14 from MWC/PAC

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On 9/20/2023 at 1:26 PM, wolf from 73 said:

The First Official Proposal for Promotion-Relegation In College Football                                                                             https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/                                                                                   Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has created what is believed to be the first formal proposals on the subject. He has written an in-depth plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones, with the opportunity for promotion and relegation at the end of each season. 

Sounds more like an undergraduate paper assignment than any realistic idea to me.  Heck, the best of the rest with 10-12 teams joining WSU and OSU makes more sense, and that has a snowballs chance at this point.

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On 9/20/2023 at 12:26 PM, sactowndog said:

It’s not just about money.  Games against too many poorly ranked schools hurts you in the computer rankings. Relegation solves that issue without cutting teams out entirely.   

Do you think that is a problem currently for teams fighting the access bowl?  Because it will basically be the same thing for the one playoff spot. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 11:58 AM, Swedish said:

I don't know. The early response from social media indicates that there would be way more interest in this promotion/relegation system than most realize. It makes every game mean something. I'm willing to bet the tv networks might be very interested in this.

Of course the networks would be in favor of it. Just like fans of the most valuable MWC members are in favor of it. Indeed, today a Boise administrator opined on a somewhat different theme that contains the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that all the best G5 football schools should be considering:

https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/

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On 9/20/2023 at 1:05 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Of course the networks would be in favor of it. Just like fans of the most valuable MWC members are in favor of it. Indeed, today a Boise administrator opined on a somewhat different theme that contains the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that all the best G5 football schools should be considering:

https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/

Posted already just above yours

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https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/                                                                                       Can this be sold to media partners to generate enough money for this to happen? Who knows because this is such a novel proposal. If they get on board it will happen. If this would ever happen we would have to add 10 teams to the current 14. If we were to stretch to the Central Time Zone there would be a lot of potential additions. I would like to add from the AAC- Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Tulsa and North Texas or Rice. From the Sunbelt- Texas State and Arkansas State. From CUSA- Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and UTEP. That would be my pick to fill-out the 24 team conference.

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On 9/20/2023 at 3:49 AM, WarriorTyme said:

I agree, the writer needed something to write about the PAC/MWC Merger and had an unnamed AD as a source. It's probably an unpopular idea among the 14 schools and that AD wants to see the reaction of the fans and media. This is a terrible idea for all college sports, in a vacuum if this was Football and the Schools didn't have Oly sports then it would be similar to the soccer leagues. Because the soccer leagues only have 1 sport not 20+ sports that get effected by this budget. 

If that AD wants a reaction this is a terrible idea for so many reasons. It has to be an all or nothing

Not only do you fail to provide any explanation for that contention, those who can see the future know it makes a lot of sense - because football is inevitably going to be severed from the NCAA, at least at the FBS level.

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On 9/20/2023 at 10:25 AM, smithy said:

The only way that this scheme work is to set it up simular like they do in the English soccer leagues. Where at end of every year each team is evaluated and the bottom two goes to the lesser league and the top two in the lower league gets rewarded into the upper league. This way all teams have something to shoot for or will try to win out so they don't fall.

Certainly would make each regular season game a lot more meaningful. My question is who picks the first go-round of which teams are in the P12 and which are in the MW? Base it on last season’s computer rankings? Media writers? TV execs? 

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On 9/20/2023 at 1:25 PM, B_Lootz said:

Certainly would make each regular season game a lot more meaningful. My question is who picks the first go-round of which teams are in the P12 and which are in the MW? Base it on last season’s computer rankings? Media writers? TV execs? 

That's an excellent question. However, there are several steps to be completed before that's decided.

As I understand it, the very first hurdle is George Koughkough pimping for the 10 schools which left the Pac. Most of the speculation I've seen is that the twins will again clean their clock with the TRO turning into a permanent injunction with clarification that any action taken will require all 12 "Pac" schools to agree. If that permanent injunction is granted, because the departing 10 (and particuarly U$C) won't want the discovery process to begin and because the twins will have leverage over the other 10, settlement discussions will ensue and at least half of the Pac-12's treasury - if that's the right word - will go to the twins. Then the twins will immediately fire good 'ol GK and the very deserving Gloria Nevarez will be named commissioner of the Pac while still remaining commissioner of the MWC. Even then, the new conference setup will have to be approved in some manner. My guess on that is it will be decided in what will likely be a contentious private meeting (neither conference is a public entity so they can do business in private). When the voters come out of their meeting, although it won't necessarily be the truth, Nevarez will announce that the 14 have unanimously approved the new plan. Not until after that will the issue you raise be decided.

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On 9/20/2023 at 3:01 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

That's an excellent question. However, there are several steps to be completed before that's decided.

As I understand it, the very first hurdle is George Koughkough pimping for the 10 schools which left the Pac. Most of the speculation I've seen is that the twins will again clean their clock with the TRO turning into a permanent injunction with clarification that any action taken will require all 12 "Pac" schools to agree. If that permanent injunction is granted, because the departing 10 (and particuarly U$C) won't want the discovery process to begin and because the twins will have leverage over the other 10, settlement discussions will ensue and at least half of the Pac-12's treasury - if that's the right word - will go to the twins. Then the twins will immediately fire good 'ol GK and the very deserving Gloria Nevarez will be named commissioner of the Pac while still remaining commissioner of the MWC. Even then, the new conference setup will have to be approved in some manner. My guess on that is it will be decided in what will likely be a contentious private meeting (neither conference is a public entity so they can do business in private). When the voters come out of their meeting, although it won't necessarily be the truth, Nevarez will announce that the 14 have unanimously approved the new plan. Not until after that will the issue you raise be decided.

I agree.

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On 9/20/2023 at 3:01 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

That's an excellent question. However, there are several steps to be completed before that's decided.

As I understand it, the very first hurdle is George Koughkough pimping for the 10 schools which left the Pac. Most of the speculation I've seen is that the twins will again clean their clock with the TRO turning into a permanent injunction with clarification that any action taken will require all 12 "Pac" schools to agree. If that permanent injunction is granted, because the departing 10 (and particuarly U$C) won't want the discovery process to begin and because the twins will have leverage over the other 10, settlement discussions will ensue and at least half of the Pac-12's treasury - if that's the right word - will go to the twins. Then the twins will immediately fire good 'ol GK and the very deserving Gloria Nevarez will be named commissioner of the Pac while still remaining commissioner of the MWC. Even then, the new conference setup will have to be approved in some manner. My guess on that is it will be decided in what will likely be a contentious private meeting (neither conference is a public entity so they can do business in private). When the voters come out of their meeting, although it won't necessarily be the truth, Nevarez will announce that the 14 have unanimously approved the new plan. Not until after that will the issue you raise be decided.

Moreover, it would have to be a BOR FBS national league, with teams in every time zone — not a Western league in two time zones. Otherwise, it would never get off the ground. Adding CUSA or FCS schools from two time zones is certainly not going to cut it.  
 

It would have to look something like this:

  1. Oregon State
  2. Washington State
  3. Boise State
  4. Hawaii
  5. SJSU
  6. Fresno
  7. SDSU
  8. Nevada
  9. UNLV
  10. Colorado State
  11. Utah State
  12. Air Force
  13. New Mexico
  14. Wyoming
  15. Navy
  16. Army
  17. Uconn
  18. UTSA
  19. Memphis
  20. South Florida
  21. Umass
  22. Tulane

I am not saying these would be the exact teams, but you get the idea. It would have to be the PAC-2 plus the MWC to merge first. Then, those 14 could add 10 additional schools — but they would have to be existing G5 FBS teams at or near the top of the G5 that bring a nation-wide interest to the table. 
 

Because of exit fees, it would have to include all MWC teams and the PAC-2 to merge first. It would also take at least 6 other schools who could help garner a more national interest for the league.

And, you would need all of that to happen first before it went anywhere just to get it off the ground.

Possible I suppose, but seems pretty pie-in-the-sky.
 

Otherwise, like I said, it is going nowhere. 

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On 9/20/2023 at 4:54 PM, SteedLaw said:

Moreover, it would have to be a BOR FBS national league, with teams in every time zone — not a Western league in two time zones. Otherwise, it would never get off the ground. Adding CUSA or FCS schools from two time zones is certainly not going to cut it.  
 

It would have to look something like this:

  1. Oregon State
  2. Washington State
  3. Boise State
  4. Hawaii
  5. SJSU
  6. Fresno
  7. SDSU
  8. Nevada
  9. UNLV
  10. Colorado State
  11. Utah State
  12. Air Force
  13. New Mexico
  14. Wyoming
  15. Navy
  16. Army
  17. Uconn
  18. UTSA
  19. Memphis
  20. South Florida
  21. Umass
  22. Tulane

I am not saying these would be the exact teams, but you get the idea. It would have to be the PAC-2 plus the MWC to merge first. Then, those 14 could add 10 additional schools — but they would have to be existing G5 FBS teams at or near the top of the G5 that bring a nation-wide interest to the table. 
 

Because of exit fees, it would have to include all MWC teams and the PAC-2 to merge first. It would also take at least 6 other schools who could help garner a more national interest for the league.

And, you would need all of that to happen first before it went anywhere just to get it off the ground.

Possible I suppose, but seems pretty pie-in-the-sky.
 

Otherwise, like I said, it is going nowhere. 

Jesus +++++, stop, please.  None of this makes any sense.  Umass?  There is NOT ENOUGH money for your inane ramblings.

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On 9/20/2023 at 5:04 PM, Brew_Poke said:

Jesus +++++, stop, please.  None of this makes any sense.  Umass?  There is NOT ENOUGH money for your inane ramblings.

Yep. Which is my point exactly and which is why it is not getting off the ground.

No one is going to give a rat’s ass about a Western-only relegated league with FCS and low-tier CUSA teams as filler. I can’t even believe I need to say it, but that is moronic.

It would need to be a BOR league with established FBS athletic departments that bring a national interest to the relegation…or it is DOA.

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On 9/20/2023 at 4:07 PM, SteedLaw said:

Yep. Which is my point exactly and which is why it is not getting off the ground.

No one is going to give a rat’s ass about a Western-only relegated league with FCS and low-tier CUSA teams as filler. 

C'mon man, you've got a brain, use it.

"With FCS AND low-tier CUSA teams?" Other then the Boise associate AD, nobody has mentioned such a setup. Instead, there would be two 8-team divisions or whatever name is given to them. Accordingly, only two FCS or CUSA schools would be added and to my understanding, that would be for football only. And if you're actually concerned that one of the two additions would manage to lift itself up to the P-8 division, see this: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

If USU or any other current MWC school is shaking in its boots about this idea, they should investigate bailing to CUSA or the MAC with all possible haste.

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That list can stop at 14 with just the PAC-2 and MWC schools. Adding anymore schools outside the 14, will now be called the New Wacky WAC.  And for those of us who remembers, what crazy experiment Carl Benson created was screwed from the beginning. Then the disgrunted schools will be booking flights to another airport meeting. Because old rivalries will be sacrificed to every other year and travel will be nonsense for teams like Hawaii.

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