Conference Realignment thread

[sactowndog]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:09 AM, Chalsean said:

NCAA allows a conference 2 years below required 6 total before no longer considered a conference

Yes I know but we could leave for the 25 season at the lower amount.  OSU and WSU are a two team league for 1 year not 2 years. 

[Billings]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:09 AM, Chalsean said:

NCAA allows a conference 2 years below required 6 total before no longer considered a conference

FBS conferences have to have 8

[sactowndog]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:11 AM, Wyobraska said:

You're right.  Still will be around $17 million exit fee for MW schools without a huge contract on the other side.  

If both sides want to go down that route, good for them 

Not my preferred path I prefer the  relegation plan but expanded to include an eastern half with Championship weekend being 4 games.  I will assume 4 Divisions of 8
 

PAC Champ (pan America): 1 west versus 1 east  Friday Night 

AAC champ (American Athletic): 9 west versus 9 east  Sat Morning

Relegation game: 7 east versus 10 east 
Relegation game: 7 west versus 10 west 

 

 

[sactowndog]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:12 AM, Wyobraska said:

I know but that is at least a year of the PAC 2 filling out a schedule for all sports.  Then around  a $17 million exit fee for the MW schools that join.  

Have fun.

That is assuming 9 don’t come together and vote to disband.  
 

People don’t consider the relegation plan could also be a good faith effort to reach a solution for all. If it is blocked by say New Mexico (to throw out a name) the 9 can vote to disband and have legal cover they tried to create a workable solution for all.  

[OzzyOzz]

Don't think the mid tier is in a position to be gimmicky 

[SanDiegoPoke]

On 9/20/2023 at 8:35 AM, Billings said:

Monty show.

 

Pac 2 ready to make a move with the MWC after the litigation settles. WSU is the one pushing litigation.   A lot of talk about relegation model.  "They really slam the idea that AAC teams will jump in.  There is Less money and more travel"

 

 

I'd vote this "Super-Mega Idiot," but it would make it look like I voted Billings that way. Aztecmesa is busy creaming their pants because they are fondling each other thinking this is possible.

[Brew_Poke]

On 9/20/2023 at 9:57 AM, Wyobraska said:

Where are they going?

Big Sky I guess?

[dAB]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:24 AM, sactowndog said:

That is assuming 9 don’t come together and vote to disband 

This is not as easy as it sounds.  

The remaining 3 easily make a strong court case that the 9 directors were not voting in the best interest of the MWC when they voted to disband and therefore should have withdrawn from the board before the vote was taken.  

A BoD is bound to vote in the best interest (or what they deem as the best interests) of the conference not in the best interest of their school.

As you have correctly noted, they could do this vote per the bylaws of the voting procedures.  However, the responsibilities of the Director would probably preclude this kind of vote unless there was some kind of money buying off the remaining 3 schools.

[Brew_Poke]

On 9/20/2023 at 11:04 AM, Wyobraska said:

Will there be a PAC in 2025 if they have to wait that long?  I know the PAC gets 2 years but that will be tough sledding for 2 years as opposed to a full merger.

They get 2 years from the NCAA, but I'd bet the CFP won't consider them a conference.

[Billings]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:24 AM, sactowndog said:

That is assuming 9 don’t come together and vote to disband.  
 

People don’t consider the relegation plan could also be a good faith effort to reach a solution for all. If it is blocked by say New Mexico (to throw out a name) the 9 can vote to disband and have legal cover they tried to create a workable solution for all.  

Nobody in the press is talking about this anymore.  In fact, they are saying the financials for a nation wide G5 conference simply don't work over and over.   There is no evidence of any kind the PAC 2 are talking to anyone but the MWC, (not individual schools).    Keep dreaming on but at least have some smoke of some kind?

[NorNevLifer]

Not a fan of the relegation model. It would be much easier to benefit the top-performing schools by splitting the total distribution pie by an extra one or two shares in which the distribution of that money goes to the conference champions, maybe even the top 2 - 4 schools if it's two shares worth, in key sports. Every AD has a set starting budget each year and the top schools can enjoy a nice bump if their teams perform well. 

[Wyobraska]

On 9/20/2023 at 11:53 AM, NorNevLifer said:

Not a fan of the relegation model. It would be much easier to benefit the top-performing schools by splitting the total distribution pie by an extra one or two shares in which the distribution of that money goes to the conference champions, maybe even the top 2 - 4 schools if it's two shares worth, in key sports. Every AD has a set starting budget each year and the top schools can enjoy a nice bump if their teams perform well. 

I think a base contract should be shared equally.  Now if a university makes something like an access bowl or the NCAA tournament and they keep more of that share, aim good with that, but a TV deal has to be equal.  

[sactowndog]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:39 AM, dAB said:

This is not as easy as it sounds.  

The remaining 3 easily make a strong court case that the 9 directors were not voting in the best interest of the MWC when they voted to disband and therefore should have withdrawn from the board before the vote was taken.  

A BoD is bound to vote in the best interest (or what they deem as the best interests) of the conference not in the best interest of their school.

As you have correctly noted, they could do this vote per the bylaws of the voting procedures.  However, the responsibilities of the Director would probably preclude this kind of vote unless there was some kind of money buying off the remaining 3 schools.

Perhaps or they can say they tried to make things work via the relegation plan and the league came to a complete impasse on how to move forward so they voted to disband the league as the schools lacked a shared vision on how to move forward. 

[SparkysDad]

On 9/19/2023 at 10:11 PM, thespywhozaggedme said:

Intellectual honesty time; how many people who are down on the idea actually read the article? Be honest. I read the entire article and I’m completely sold on the idea. Would create so much excitement, and every week would be must watch TV.

Promotion/relegation is wonderful and I absolutely love it...for professional futbol!

For college football, it's insane for many reasons already stated, but primarily due to the short duration college players have and the fundamentals of recruiting resources, including NIL, keeping coaches, transfer portal issues, etc.

A team once relegated to the lower division would have an almost impossible challenge to climb back out against stronger resources of the "upper level" programs. 

[sactowndog]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:53 AM, NorNevLifer said:

Not a fan of the relegation model. It would be much easier to benefit the top-performing schools by splitting the total distribution pie by an extra one or two shares in which the distribution of that money goes to the conference champions, maybe even the top 2 - 4 schools if it's two shares worth, in key sports. Every AD has a set starting budget each year and the top schools can enjoy a nice bump if their teams perform well. 

It’s not just about money.  Games against too many poorly ranked schools hurts you in the computer rankings. Relegation solves that issue without cutting teams out entirely.   

[SteedLaw]

On 9/20/2023 at 11:06 AM, Chalsean said:

I would take several over NDSU/SDSU

Color me a skeptic, but the only way a relegation model would work is if you had a coast-to-coast league with FBS teams that are already at or near the top of the G5. No one would care about a relegation league that was only in the West and, in part, consisted of former FCS teams. 

Taking NDSU/SDSU would ensure it would not work. 

Nah, if they were really serious about making it work, then it would be the PAC-2, plus the 12 MWC teams, plus 4-8 schools from the East Coast and the Southeast.

In my mind, that means the likely candidates would be the independents (i.e., UConn, Umass, Army) and a few schools from the AAC or Sunbelt (i.e., Navy, UTSA, Memphis, USF, JMU, Texas State).

Otherwise, no one is going to watch or care about your relegation league — it has to be national or it does not work.

Also, you would have to make it so the two leagues would really only separated by mere bragging rights and access to the CFP. As far as money is concerned, the PPS would need to be equal so that schools could count on their budgets. 

[southfresno]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:00 AM, Billings said:

all sports mean way more than one road trip

I'm aware of that. Football is the only sport that matters. Not all sports visit every team every year either. It's likely just one trip. As for those two schools and their travel, they're free to reject us. 

[Swedish]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:28 PM, SteedLaw said:

Color me a skeptic, but the only way a relegation model would work is if you had a coast-to-coast league with FBS teams that are already at or near the top of the G5. No one would care about a relegation league that was only in the West and, in part, consisted of former FCS teams. 

 

I don't know. The early response from social media indicates that there would be way more interest in this promotion/relegation system than most realize. It makes every game mean something. I'm willing to bet the tv networks might be very interested in this.

[SparkysDad]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:58 PM, Swedish said:

I don't know. The early response from social media indicates that there would be way more interest in this promotion/relegation system than most realize. It makes every game mean something. I'm willing to bet the tv networks might be very interested in this.

Well if social media wants it, it must be good! #tidepodchallenge

[Swedish]

On 9/20/2023 at 1:08 PM, SparkysDad said:

Well if social media wants it, it must be good! #tidepodchallenge

So funny.