smithy Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 The only way that this scheme work is to set it up simular like they do in the English soccer leagues. Where at end of every year each team is evaluated and the bottom two goes to the lesser league and the top two in the lower league gets rewarded into the upper league. This way all teams have something to shoot for or will try to win out so they don't fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespywhozaggedme Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 12:25 PM, smithy said: The only way that this scheme work is to set it up simular like they do in the English soccer leagues. Where at end of every year each team is evaluated and the bottom two goes to the lesser league and the top two in the lower league gets rewarded into the upper league. This way all teams have something to shoot for or will try to win out so they don't fall. That’s exactly what is proposed in the article. It is a fascinating article and worth the three minute read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfresno Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I would still take Memphis and Tulane. One road game there per year won't break the bank and it will solidify the conference as 5th best. Relegation is a bad idea because teams change so much from year to year. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 8:57 AM, Wyobraska said: Where are they going? Go to the PAC as a split. Which is what SDSU wanted all along 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 9:57 AM, southfresno said: I would still take Memphis and Tulane. One road game there per year won't break the bank and it will solidify the conference as 5th best. Relegation is a bad idea because teams change so much from year to year. all sports mean way more than one road trip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:00 AM, sactowndog said: Go to the PAC as a split. Which is what SDSU wanted all along which they can't afford to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 9:09 AM, Billings said: As they said on the Monty show. Enough with the AAC team crap and the new PAC. It simply is not happening. Less money and more travel than just staying with western teams. They said, not me, but I agree with them that you are not living in reality. Well apparently you are not reading to closely because what I proposed had no extra travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:00 AM, Billings said: which they can't afford to do Sure they can if they leave in 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYO1016 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 The biggest issue with promotion/relegation is that it would need to be done with all NCAA football teams, from FBS to D3. Only working with 2 conferences just makes those conferences worse. The biggest problem would be that every other sport would be in regional (hopefully) conferences, so rivalries would get weird. It will also NEVER work with the current conference structure. The NCAA will need to take over completely, and that's never gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:00 AM, Billings said: all sports mean way more than one road trip Again if you add you go East and West Divisions. It actually reduces travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 11:02 AM, sactowndog said: Sure they can if they leave in 25 Will there be a PAC in 2025 if they have to wait that long? I know the PAC gets 2 years but that will be tough sledding for 2 years as opposed to a full merger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:25 AM, smithy said: The only way that this scheme work is to set it up simular like they do in the English soccer leagues. Where at end of every year each team is evaluated and the bottom two goes to the lesser league and the top two in the lower league gets rewarded into the upper league. This way all teams have something to shoot for or will try to win out so they don't fall. It is complete stupidity, especially for a league that would only play in the Western U.S. Look, if you can’t beat them then join them (I still hate the idea), but if you are going to do it then you go to 20 teams (not 16), two conferences and four divisions nationwide. Again, a league like this would surely not work if it were just regional—you would HAVE to invite teams from New England, Texas, and the Southeast to participate to say the least — which means anything less than 20 teams is probably out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:02 AM, sactowndog said: Sure they can if they leave in 25 still at least $17 million. The exit fees do not go away. PAC 2 cannot survive alone for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:57 AM, southfresno said: I would still take Memphis and Tulane. One road game there per year won't break the bank and it will solidify the conference as 5th best. Relegation is a bad idea because teams change so much from year to year. I would take several over NDSU/SDSU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 In the EPL, relegated clubs get parachute payments the year(s) after relegation to lessen budgetary problems. I believe those payments are over 3 years and decrease each year - unless, of course, said team immediately gets promoted back up. In the case of the PacMWC proposal, the dollar amounts in question aren't nearly as big as the EPL. There have been multiple attempts (one just recently) in Europe to create a 'European Super League' that would have much more limited pro/rel because - stop if this sounds familiar - the big clubs want more money and keep it among themselves. They have invariably failed because of the political and public backlash. It's a workable idea, but it's unlikely to happen because of the fear factor, not the money or logistics. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:04 AM, Wyobraska said: Will there be a PAC in 2025 if they have to wait that long? I know the PAC gets 2 years but that will be tough sledding for 2 years as opposed to a full merger. Not two years it’s one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 11:08 AM, sactowndog said: Not two years it’s one NCAA allows a conference 2 years below required 6 total before no longer considered a conference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 10:04 AM, SteedLaw said: It is complete stupidity, especially for a league that would only play in the Western U.S. Look, if you can’t beat them then join them (I still hate the idea), but if you are going to do it then you go to 20 teams (not 16), two conferences and four divisions nationwide. Again, a league like this would surely not work if it were just regional—you would HAVE to invite teams from New England, Texas, and the Southeast to participate to say the least — which means anything less than 20 teams is probably out of the question. Yeah I think it works best with an eastern and a western half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 11:08 AM, sactowndog said: Not two years it’s one You're right. Still will be around $17 million exit fee for MW schools without a huge contract on the other side. If both sides want to go down that route, good for them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 11:09 AM, Chalsean said: NCAA allows a conference 2 years below required 6 total before no longer considered a conference I know but that is at least a year of the PAC 2 filling out a schedule for all sports. Then around a $17 million exit fee for the MW schools that join. Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
