Conference Realignment thread

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:40 PM, Headbutt said:

Are you sure?  At one time MU was all over it, but MSU shot it down.  I don't know if either one has changed their position on that.  Budget, facilities, etc. they're not really at the level to just make the jump without some struggles.  I'd say they fit in easily as well as Houston does in the Big12 though.  TCU was a little closer relatively speaking when they went to the B12, but they still had some work to do, and look at them now.  I think there are programs that would grow in the MWC and therefore grow the MWC, and there are those that would come in as anchors and remain there.  I put the MT schools in the former if we ever got to that point.

As of last year Montana AD and President said they were not looking up for a few reasons, one was finances but another they said especially for football thought they were in the perfect spot 

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:01 PM, UofMTigers said:

that's good info, I didn't know that...welp, I guess it's Army or bust.

I think CBS Network gets so many football and basketball games, the basketball tournament and then the rest goes to ESPN I think is how contract was.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:07 PM, RSF said:

Lol...reported by OS_Beaver.

 

16...and Yormark saying 'there's no more money'.

MhVer and Swaim were the only other two that i have seen anything about that and we know how well they are on things, but yeah Big 12 ADs and Yormack has said unless ESPN or such gives them more money to play with they are done for the foreseeable future because nothing is left

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:10 PM, SteedLaw said:

According to NCAA rules, sure. However, this is not really the case with respect to the real powers in college football.

In a recent interview last week with the SEC Commissioner, he spoke out loud and clear on this exact issue when asked about the PAC and their "options".

He said, "Well, there are the NCAA rules, and then there is the CFP. And, I think we can all agree the NCAA does not dictate the CFP in any form."

Or, in other words, "I have heard the rumors out there, and they have no merit. Eight teams is not a conference as far as we are concerned, regardless of what the NCAA says. Any conference stupid enough to try something this asinine just might find themselves and their "conference mates" blacklisted by the real powers in the CFP -- and those powers are not the NCAA."

The real powers in college football have spoken and this would be instant death. It is not an option. 

 

He also knows he has to play nice as well with other conferences otherwise things don't go anywhere and opens up a new can of worms in the courts as well, he doesn't want that and the conferences don't want that. 

[Brew_Poke]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:21 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

With 24 months' notice of departure, $17M. And if the percentage actually paid is the same as what Maryland paid the ACC, $10M. That number multiplied by six would be a good size amount of money for the six MWC leftovers to be sure. But it had better be because their/your annual TV revenue going forward would be of MAC-ian proportions.

Lol, you ain't going anywhere without Wyoming. Get used to it.

[Billings]

On 9/18/2023 at 5:52 PM, SteedLaw said:

So, yeah, really stupid question, but I thought I would ask here anyway…

A friend of mine who has been a pretty good source for intel said he heard Oregon State AD Scott Barnes met in person with Nevarez this week to discuss supposed “brainstorming” options for the new conference. The main topics of the meeting were to brainstorm Scott’s ideas he had for expanding the new 14-team PAC to potentially 16 and even 18 teams post prospective merger.

Just wondering since I thought if anyone could confirm the actuality of this meeting, it would be the crazies on the MWC forum hiding out in the internet bushes. 

Don’t know if I trust the source entirely, so asking here if there is any confirmation to that rumor. 

Yes The oregon press had a blurb CHUn and Barnes were meeting with MWC commish over next two week  NO real Topic was mentioned

 

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From the article:

“Chun said he and OSU athletic director Scott Barnes will be meeting over the next two weeks with Mountain West commissioner Gloria Nevarez for brainstorming sessions on ways to align. Nevarez has traveled to both Pullman and Corvallis in recent weeks, and has made no secret of her conference's interest in teaming with WSU and OSU and is open to ideas.”

Furthermore, the article states WSU/OSU reached out to the B12/B10 and they were told “no thanks.”"

 

https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/wsu-football-exclusive-kirk-schulz-pat-chun-and-the-power-of-big-legal-sticks-216010413/

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 9:46 PM, Billings said:

Yes The oregon press had a blurb CHUn and Barnes were meeting with MWC commish over next two week  NO real Topic was mentioned

 

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From the article:

“Chun said he and OSU athletic director Scott Barnes will be meeting over the next two weeks with Mountain West commissioner Gloria Nevarez for brainstorming sessions on ways to align. Nevarez has traveled to both Pullman and Corvallis in recent weeks, and has made no secret of her conference's interest in teaming with WSU and OSU and is open to ideas.”

Furthermore, the article states WSU/OSU reached out to the B12/B10 and they were told “no thanks.”"

 

https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/wsu-football-exclusive-kirk-schulz-pat-chun-and-the-power-of-big-legal-sticks-216010413/

WSU has also done the same thing as well  kind of just like the presentations, went to WSU first and did that and then went to OSU next. So really same pattern here with it

[SpartanGrad]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

They can just wait it out until buyout drops.  They don’t need the teams for a few years.

The buyouts never drop. It’s not tied to the TV contracts but to the membership in the conference. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

They can just wait it out until buyout drops.  They don’t need the teams for a few years.

It’s in the bylaws, baby! That Hair grows on ya over time! 

[Shaker]

On 9/18/2023 at 11:31 PM, SpartanGrad said:

The buyouts never drop. It’s not tied to the TV contracts but to the membership in the conference. 

When SDSU had stated they were leaving the MWC there was an article written about how the exit fee is figured. It was stated the amount for the exit fee equals 4 times the annual media pay out if the teams gives notice prior to July 1. And double if after. It also stated the exit fee is unknown and would have to be refigured for after the 25-26 season since that is when the media deal ends.

So IF this reporter is correct there is an exit fee of somewhere between $33-$34 mil if a team leaves for the 24-25 season. Somewhere between $16-$17 mil if they leave for the 25-26 season and give writing notice prior to June 30, 2024. As of now being the exit fee has to be refigured and voted on the exit fee is in question for after the 25-26 season.

I have not nor am I going to to fact check this guy but if he is correct the exit fee is directly connected to the TV contract.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/19/2023 at 3:36 AM, Nevada Convert said:

It’s in the bylaws, baby! That Hair grows on ya over time! 

They can wait out any existing contract that exists.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/19/2023 at 1:31 AM, SpartanGrad said:

The buyouts never drop. It’s not tied to the TV contracts but to the membership in the conference. 

Buyouts always drop.  I understand it’s not tied to the tv contract, never said it was.  They can still wait it out.  Everything has to be renegotiated in a couple years.  

[RSF]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:55 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

They can wait out any existing contract that exists.  

Bylaws are perpetual, Mr Wizard.  No expiration date.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:58 AM, RSF said:

Bylaws are perpetual, Mr Wizard.  No expiration date.

Please…

[SteedLaw]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:58 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Buyouts always drop.  I understand it’s not tied to the tv contract, never said it was.  They can still wait it out.  Everything has to be renegotiated in a couple years.  

The CFP powers just stated they will not allow the PAC to “wait it out” without apparent consequence. What the CFP powers will accept and what the NCAA rules allow on paper are two different things. The “waiting it out option” is officially off the table for the PAC.

[SteedLaw]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 PM, Billings said:

Yes The oregon press had a blurb CHUn and Barnes were meeting with MWC commish over next two week  NO real Topic was mentioned

 

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From the article:

“Chun said he and OSU athletic director Scott Barnes will be meeting over the next two weeks with Mountain West commissioner Gloria Nevarez for brainstorming sessions on ways to align. Nevarez has traveled to both Pullman and Corvallis in recent weeks, and has made no secret of her conference's interest in teaming with WSU and OSU and is open to ideas.”

Furthermore, the article states WSU/OSU reached out to the B12/B10 and they were told “no thanks.”"

 

https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/wsu-football-exclusive-kirk-schulz-pat-chun-and-the-power-of-big-legal-sticks-216010413/

Well, and there it is. Sounds like there is some confirmation…

[WYO1016]

On 9/18/2023 at 9:37 PM, Dogs4Me said:

This thread was much more fun when SUDS was headed to the P12 and FS was moving on up to the B12.

For sure. It's now just turned into the endless realignment circle jerk that seems to happen every few years.

[bornontheblue]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:58 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Buyouts always drop.  I understand it’s not tied to the tv contract, never said it was.  They can still wait it out.  Everything has to be renegotiated in a couple years.  

 

[RSF]

On 9/19/2023 at 9:42 AM, bornontheblue said:

 

Here's the little tidbit Woosh seems to be either ignoring or too dumb to realize.  In a couple years the exit fee will go UP.  Why?  Because there will be a new TV deal (yes, the exit fee is tied, in part, to the TV contract) and increased playoff money.  How much each goes up is TBD, but they will be going up.  And with it, the exit fee.

[Nevada Convert]

On 9/19/2023 at 5:59 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Please…

Dude, you’re quickly moving towards capping the trifecta of stupid. You know, the surf is so small in Florida, you probably actually could dress up in a knight costume and stand on the front of your surf board (wrong place) and not fall.