Conference Realignment thread

[UNLV2001]

On 9/18/2023 at 6:09 PM, Dealwit said:

He’s probably thinking of Phil Maloof, who actually played QB for NMSU, and received his post secondary degree from UNM.  He went on to become a State Senator.

Maloofs were ABQ based while the father was around.........once owned the Houston Rockets I think.

George came out to UNLV & maybe for the hotel / hospitality school because they went into building casinos 

The Maloof family is a prominent American family based in Las Vegas, Nevada, who are owners of numerous business properties in the Western United States. The original spelling of the family name is Maalouf. The family is of Lebanese descent via their paternal grandfather.

Originally from New Mexico, the family's success began with the distribution rights for Coors Brewing Company in the Southwest region of the US in 1937. The Maloofs were the owners of the Sacramento Kings of the National Basketball Association (NBA) from 1998 until 2013 and are minority owners of the Vegas Golden Knights of the National Hockey League (NHL). Notable family members include George J. Maloof Sr., Adrienne Maloof, and George J. Maloof Jr.

 

Las Vegas[edit]

Palms Casino Resort

In 1994, the Maloof family opened the Fiesta Rancho hotel-casino in North Las Vegas, and sold it in 2000 for over $185 million. The money was reinvested into the creation of the Palms Casino Resort hotel and casino.

The Maloofs sold their beer distribution in an unsuccessful attempt to save the Palms and Palms Towers. In 2011 a restructuring gave private equity firms TPG Inc. and Leonard Green & Partners each a 49% share, leaving the Maloofs with 2% ownership.^[3]

While at UNLV, Maloof played cornerback for the Runnin' Rebels football team. Death Row Records co-founder Suge Knight was his locker mate.

[sactowndog]

On 9/18/2023 at 6:23 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Maloofs were ABQ based while the father was around.........once owned the Houston Rockets I think.

George came out to UNLV & maybe for the hotel / hospitality school because they went into building casinos 

The Maloof family is a prominent American family based in Las Vegas, Nevada, who are owners of numerous business properties in the Western United States. The original spelling of the family name is Maalouf. The family is of Lebanese descent via their paternal grandfather.

Originally from New Mexico, the family's success began with the distribution rights for Coors Brewing Company in the Southwest region of the US in 1937. The Maloofs were the owners of the Sacramento Kings of the National Basketball Association (NBA) from 1998 until 2013 and are minority owners of the Vegas Golden Knights of the National Hockey League (NHL). Notable family members include George J. Maloof Sr., Adrienne Maloof, and George J. Maloof Jr.

 

Las Vegas[edit]

Palms Casino Resort

In 1994, the Maloof family opened the Fiesta Rancho hotel-casino in North Las Vegas, and sold it in 2000 for over $185 million. The money was reinvested into the creation of the Palms Casino Resort hotel and casino.

The Maloofs sold their beer distribution in an unsuccessful attempt to save the Palms and Palms Towers. In 2011 a restructuring gave private equity firms TPG Inc. and Leonard Green & Partners each a 49% share, leaving the Maloofs with 2% ownership.^[3]

Man hate that family.  Losers! 

[sactowndog]

On 9/18/2023 at 6:07 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

So in your opinion the CA Master Plan for Higher Ed functions to keep the poors out of UC doctoral programs? 

I think it is fair to say as it functions today it limits the ability of poorer members of society to obtain a doctoral degree in CA.  

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/18/2023 at 6:41 PM, RSF said:

No they won't and no they dont.

It has been reported the B12 has a pro rata for up to 18 members. Or do you have another number?

[SteedLaw]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:01 PM, Spaztecs said:

You have an optimistic view of the future of the Pac, MW, and G5 in General. It's a new ballgame now. One free transfer and NIL means kids who a better G5 could snatch away from the lower to middle level of the P5 are going to where there is an NIL. If any kid punches above his weight at this level, he's going to to transfer up and for the the NIL. 

We are seeing the results of those changes right now. We see it in realignment and in OOC play. Sans a few outliers. SDSU has lost five of their better basketball and football players to the Portal. They were looking for an NIL package and got it. Having a great team atmosphere and Coaching staff isn't so great when there is no money for the best kids.

 

I am a realist, not an optimist…

For me, I just don’t see the rules of the game changing all that much. I mean, the rules and the odds have been clearly stacked against G5 teams since the BCS was first created. By all rights, the BcS should have ended the non-BCS teams — but somehow they remain.

I see the NIL as nothing more than a new challenge the top conferences in the G5 and their stakeholders will find a way to overcome while the lower conferences will be weeded out — similar to what happened to the WAC remnants. 

And, I don’t think it is as much being an optimist as it is disagreeing on the goals of the major power leagues.

Some people say the goal is to whittle down to 60 or so “power schools” and creating a three tier system — power, G5, and FCS. Nah, I just don’t buy it for a lot of reasons too lengthy to list here in this post. 

Rather, I think there is a reality check coming for who belongs in FBS and who does not. Ultimately, there will be 5-6 leagues of 18 or so teams in FBS, instead of the 10 leagues of 14 or so teams we have now.

Which means, ultimately, there will be 20-40 FBS teams that will fall to FCS, more or less permanently. But those teams who will be “out” will almost all come from CUSA, MAC, and some from the Sun Belt and the American.

The MWC teams, post PAC merger, will be “in” — though some “by-the-skin-of-your-teeth” level. 

 

[clydebeav]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:19 PM, WarriorTyme said:

Bro, playing any conference schedule is no cake walk for any team in any conference. Ask Coach Prime Deion Sanders if the 30-point dog Colorado State was an easier path? I remember Texas Tech, Purdue, Vandy, Arizona State and others feel playing a MWC team is a cake walk and found out it's not. If Fresno was in the AAC it wouldn't be an easier cake wake conference schedule to a NY6 Bowl. OSU has it's hands full with its Conference schedule, just like everyone else. Those conference games are always the toughest to not get tripped up with an upset loss.

I didn’t say the path was easy for either team. 6 of the next 9 games for the Beavers are against teams that are currently ranked. It looks daunting. Running the table would be difficult for Fresno, but slightly less difficult imo. Anyway, dream scenario implies that I don’t think it’s likely.

[RSF]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:41 PM, WarriorTyme said:

It has been reported the B12 has a pro rata for up to 18 members. Or do you have another number?

Lol...reported by OS_Beaver.

 

16...and Yormark saying 'there's no more money'.

[AztecSU]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:07 PM, RSF said:

Lol...reported by OS_Beaver.

 

16...and Yormark saying 'there's no more money'.

Even if this wasn’t true, no reason to expand now instead of waiting to see what happens with the ACC. 

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/18/2023 at 9:11 PM, AztecSU said:

Even if this wasn’t true, no reason to expand now instead of waiting to see what happens with the ACC. 

Exactly, what I said the ACC The 'Magnificent 7" Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia and Virginia Tech all want bigger revenue shares or want out of the ACC. 

The B12 could pull in 2 of the Magnificent 7 from the ACC. B12 has West Virginia and Cincy that are outliers that could use a travel partner from the ACC defectors.  

[UofMTigers]

On 9/17/2023 at 11:16 PM, wolfpack1 said:

They have gone after Army before, but C-USA signed a contract with CBS and ESPN which started this year. Right now I believe Mountain West is the only conference that doesn't have a deal with ESPN

that's good info, I didn't know that...welp, I guess it's Army or bust.

[AztecSU]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:58 PM, WarriorTyme said:

Exactly, what I said the ACC The 'Magnificent 7" Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia and Virginia Tech all want bigger revenue shares or want out of the ACC. 

The B12 could pull in 2 of the Magnificent 7 from the ACC. B12 has West Virginia and Cincy that are outliers that could use a travel partner from the ACC defectors.  

Pitt & Lou for sure...but I think they may be able to get VT and NCst as well. It all depends on how much the BIG/SEC take. 

[RSF]

On 9/18/2023 at 9:58 PM, WarriorTyme said:

Exactly, what I said the ACC The 'Magnificent 7" Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia and Virginia Tech all want bigger revenue shares or want out of the ACC. 

The B12 could pull in 2 of the Magnificent 7 from the ACC. B12 has West Virginia and Cincy that are outliers that could use a travel partner from the ACC defectors.  

The B12 will have a new TV deal before that happens.

[Dealwit]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:23 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Maloofs were ABQ based while the father was around.........once owned the Houston Rockets I think.

George came out to UNLV & maybe for the hotel / hospitality school because they went into building casinos 

The Maloof family is a prominent American family based in Las Vegas, Nevada, who are owners of numerous business properties in the Western United States. The original spelling of the family name is Maalouf. The family is of Lebanese descent via their paternal grandfather.

Originally from New Mexico, the family's success began with the distribution rights for Coors Brewing Company in the Southwest region of the US in 1937. The Maloofs were the owners of the Sacramento Kings of the National Basketball Association (NBA) from 1998 until 2013 and are minority owners of the Vegas Golden Knights of the National Hockey League (NHL). Notable family members include George J. Maloof Sr., Adrienne Maloof, and George J. Maloof Jr.

 

Las Vegas[edit]

Palms Casino Resort

In 1994, the Maloof family opened the Fiesta Rancho hotel-casino in North Las Vegas, and sold it in 2000 for over $185 million. The money was reinvested into the creation of the Palms Casino Resort hotel and casino.

The Maloofs sold their beer distribution in an unsuccessful attempt to save the Palms and Palms Towers. In 2011 a restructuring gave private equity firms TPG Inc. and Leonard Green & Partners each a 49% share, leaving the Maloofs with 2% ownership.^[3]

While at UNLV, Maloof played cornerback for the Runnin' Rebels football team. Death Row Records co-founder Suge Knight was his locker mate.

The irony of it all is the Maloof family first settled in Las Vegas, New Mexico when they first came to the US. And ended up in Las Vegas, Nevada!

[SteedLaw]

Again, I don’t think it is optimism, just realism based on what the powers in the CFP have already said. 

To be clear, my take is FBS will consolidate -- but not down to just 2 leagues. (That is just not at all realistic for a number of reasons.) 

Sure there will be a pecking order, but it will be, ultimately, 5-6 conferences of around 18-20 teams that are "in" -- though at VASTLY different media payout levels. That way, no one can accuse the powers-that-be in college football of behaving in an anti-competitive manner. That way, the optics support a “hope” of competition — i.e., pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. 

Which means they have to get rid of at around 11-35 or so FBS programs. (And, the powers won’t kill the programs themselves. Rather, they will let the conference pecking order decide in a trickle-down effect similar to how the old WAC remnants were forced to drop down.)

Here is where I think this is headed (all conferences -- teams of about 18-20 or so each).

Relevant Tiers Moving Forward:

• B1G/SEC -- Congrats, you made it into College football Nirvana. This is the Top Tier. Your teams will forever have a place in the future of College football. 
• XII/ACC -- Also congrats. You are not anywhere near the top tier, but you are officially "in". Nobody can touch or take that away from you -- though you might be able to take it from each other.
• PAC(new PAC/MWC merger)/AAC — Boy, did you ever squeak in by the skin of your teeth! That was close, huh? But, hey, at least you are here and we MIGHT recognize your presence, as long as you don't embarrass us. And, don't you ever get too comfortable or complacent since we may change our minds. But, hey, at least your champion will make it to the CFP each year -- so there is that. Oh, and one more thing...we MIGHT be changing the rules of the game a bit...we didn't tell you? We haven't fully decided, but there MIGHT only be one winner here and one of you MIGHT have to kill off the other because when we said 6 conferences, we MIGHT have meant only 5. We will see.
• And…Independents — You guys have officially been put on notice. Our media partners are done negotiating with one-off teams — and that includes you too Norte Dame. Join a conference already. 

Irrelevant Tiers Moving Forward:

• Sunbelt/MAC -- Shucks, super tough luck. You didn't make it. Well, that is life I guess! Look, a FEW of you will probably have a shot IF you can work your way into another league. But the conferences themselves are ticking time bombs. Beyond that, better start packing up your bags and wrapping up your programs. We will no longer follow teams in this league and you will NEVER send anyone to the CFP.  Probably best to consider dropping to FCS or wrap up football entirely.
• CUSA — Wait…you are still here? What are you still doing here? We will NEVER accept you or even recognize your presence in FBS moving forward. Wrap it up or drop to FCS already.

So yeah, ultimately I think there will be 5-6 leagues with a clear pecking order. Right now, standings are as follows:

1. B1G
2. SEC
3. ACC
4. XII
5. PAC (Assuming they decide to finalize a merger with the MWC)
6. American -- You might be killed eventually with the top programs moving up to other conferences and the worst programs dropping the rest of the conference down to an irrelevant FBS tier. Time will tell here.
7. Sunbelt — Similar to the old WAC, a few of you will probably survive if you can move on up to a better league, but the conference itself is a dead-man-walking.
8. MAC — See 7 above, but even more dire.
9. CUSA — You have already been dead to us for sometime. Wrap it up or drop already. 

[Dogs4Me]

This thread was much more fun when SUDS was headed to the P12 and FS was moving on up to the B12.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 2:36 PM, teappotts said:

I'll bet they're more relevant than Cal. 

I don't know I think Cal has some sports there they are pretty relevant in, I can't think of a one for SMU

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:40 PM, Headbutt said:

Are you sure?  At one time MU was all over it, but MSU shot it down.  I don't know if either one has changed their position on that.  Budget, facilities, etc. they're not really at the level to just make the jump without some struggles.  I'd say they fit in easily as well as Houston does in the Big12 though.  TCU was a little closer relatively speaking when they went to the B12, but they still had some work to do, and look at them now.  I think there are programs that would grow in the MWC and therefore grow the MWC, and there are those that would come in as anchors and remain there.  I put the MT schools in the former if we ever got to that point.

As of last year Montana AD and President said they were not looking up for a few reasons, one was finances but another they said especially for football thought they were in the perfect spot 

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:01 PM, UofMTigers said:

that's good info, I didn't know that...welp, I guess it's Army or bust.

I think CBS Network gets so many football and basketball games, the basketball tournament and then the rest goes to ESPN I think is how contract was.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 7:07 PM, RSF said:

Lol...reported by OS_Beaver.

 

16...and Yormark saying 'there's no more money'.

MhVer and Swaim were the only other two that i have seen anything about that and we know how well they are on things, but yeah Big 12 ADs and Yormack has said unless ESPN or such gives them more money to play with they are done for the foreseeable future because nothing is left

[wolfpack1]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:10 PM, SteedLaw said:

According to NCAA rules, sure. However, this is not really the case with respect to the real powers in college football.

In a recent interview last week with the SEC Commissioner, he spoke out loud and clear on this exact issue when asked about the PAC and their "options".

He said, "Well, there are the NCAA rules, and then there is the CFP. And, I think we can all agree the NCAA does not dictate the CFP in any form."

Or, in other words, "I have heard the rumors out there, and they have no merit. Eight teams is not a conference as far as we are concerned, regardless of what the NCAA says. Any conference stupid enough to try something this asinine just might find themselves and their "conference mates" blacklisted by the real powers in the CFP -- and those powers are not the NCAA."

The real powers in college football have spoken and this would be instant death. It is not an option. 

 

He also knows he has to play nice as well with other conferences otherwise things don't go anywhere and opens up a new can of worms in the courts as well, he doesn't want that and the conferences don't want that.