Conference Realignment thread

[wolf from 73]

 

[idkk]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:42 PM, wolf from 73 said:

 

[Brew_Poke]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:05 PM, NevadaFan said:

That is a debate I’d love to read/listen to by people who actually know what they are talking about. That is a brand that rivals what Vegas had going on in the 80s. 

And what did it get them? Lol.

[SalinasSpartan]

Just wanted to spell this out since people are still floating this nonsense about the MWC voting to dissolve the conference and join the Pac-2 to avoid exit fees:

This lawsuit somehow made this scenario that already wasn’t going to happen even less likely to happen. Think about…. It hinges on the OSU/WSU successfully arguing in court that they can continue on as the Pac-xx and inherit all its assets while simultaneously SJSU and one other school somehow NOT succeeding when they inevitably sue for the almost the exact same thing. OSU/WSU will be making legal arguments that SJSU and a friend will turn around and use against the MWC schools they want to poach.

[EvilPoke]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:48 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Just wanted to spell this out since people are still floating this nonsense about the MWC voting to dissolve the conference and join the Pac-2 to avoid exit fees:

This lawsuit somehow made this scenario that already wasn’t going to happen even less likely to happen. Think about…. It hinges on the OSU/WSU successfully arguing in court that they can continue on as the Pac-xx and inherit all its assets while simultaneously SJSU and one other school somehow NOT succeeding when they inevitably sue for the almost the exact same thing. OSU/WSU will be making legal arguments that SJSU and a friend will turn around and use against the MWC schools they want to poach.

If you're still in the league, you can vote to disband it. That's why you need 9 on board to disband - then join the PAC.

The lawsuit says since all the other PAC schools have already announced they're leaving, they can't vote to disband.

It's all about what order you do it in.

Now - if anyone was left behind unwillingly - and Glo winds up being the new PAC commish - they could argue she wasn't acting on their behalf - that might be a case. Then again - I'm not a lawyer.

But like you said - I haven't heard a peep from any source recently about someone being left behind. 

I would think this lawsuit makes it less likely that someone gets left behind because no one likes lawsuits.

[Nevada Convert]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:42 PM, smithy said:

I say bring the whole West division for rivalries and not leave Nevada or SJSU behind..we all work well together believe it or not.

Nevada was apparently in the bottom 3 as far as Calford was concerned (supposedly we were too close to their markets or something dumb like that), but when it was the PAC-10 that were left, our ranking in the pecking order varied between #5 and #6 out of 12, and appears to be about the same thing with the PAC-2. 

So I’m not worried about getting left behind, and no one should get left behind. I think we do need to propose some minimums when we do come together, and have those put in the bylaws. And failing to meet those over a decent period of time could get you Temple’d. 

Having said that, if we’re going to have attendance minimums, the counting method has to be the same and an independent 3rd party determines them. Suddenly, SDSU doesn’t want any attendance minimums. LOL. 

[EvilPoke]

On 9/8/2023 at 7:23 PM, Headbutt said:

Gonzaga, LMAO!  They are completely meaningless in this discussion.  It would be fantastic to add them, but they bring little financially and don't play football.

They do bring NCAA tournament credits.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:24 PM, EvilPoke said:

They do bring NCAA tournament credits.

Those stay with the conference not the school

[wolfpack1]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:45 PM, idkk said:

Popcorn is missing

[Chalsean]

On 9/8/2023 at 7:16 PM, WarriorTyme said:

 

The MWC/PAC Full Merger will happen and the new PACX will be born in 2024

The king is dead, long live the king!

[SalinasSpartan]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:18 PM, EvilPoke said:

If you're still in the league, you can vote to disband it. That's why you need 9 on board to disband - then join the PAC.

The lawsuit says since all the other PAC schools have already announced they're leaving, they can't vote to disband.

It's all about what order you do it in.

Now - if anyone was left behind unwillingly - and Glo winds up being the new PAC commish - they could argue she wasn't acting on their behalf - that might be a case. Then again - I'm not a lawyer.

But like you said - I haven't heard a peep from any source recently about someone being left behind. 

I would think this lawsuit makes it less likely that someone gets left behind because no one likes lawsuits.

I don’t think the order would end up being relevant. In that scenario there would HAVE to be coordination to pull it off, and that would come out in discovery. I believe if it came down to actual litigation the schools would be found to be acting in bad faith by dissolving the conference to avoid exit fees. It’ll be the same core issue of 10 schools having already decided to leave a conference and blowing it up on the way out. 
 

Not to mention the trouble of two schools negotiating a TV deal with networks for a 12 school conference where 10 schools haven’t officially joined yet. 

[Headbutt]

On 9/8/2023 at 10:43 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

I don’t think the order would end up being relevant. In that scenario there would HAVE to be coordination to pull it off, and that would come out in discovery. I believe if it came down to actual litigation the schools would be found to be acting in bad faith by dissolving the conference to avoid exit fees. It’ll be the same core issue of 10 schools having already decided to leave a conference and blowing it up on the way out. 
 

Not to mention the trouble of two schools negotiating a TV deal with networks for a 12 school conference where 10 schools haven’t officially joined yet. 

As to your first point, the 10 schools are clearly trying to blow it up to get a share of the revenue they left behind.  Any way you look at it, they knowingly surrendered their voting rights and are now trying to exercise them.  That much will fly in court.

As for negotiating a TV deal.  There has been no official overtures by the Pac2 towards anyone.  Lot's of exploration and listening, but that's it.  Whatever their agenda, they've been very careful to leave things wide open until they figure out where stand legally.  No TV negotiations will begin until both parties know what they're dealing with.

[sactowndog]

On 9/8/2023 at 6:25 PM, NevadaFan said:

I’m not disrespecting these programs. I’m saying there is no TV money for the 8th favorite program in their respective markets. They are in big markets dominated by big programs. 

San Antonio is their own market with no P5 team, Memphis is their own market and both P5 teams are in the east, Louisiana has 1 P5 team.  
 

 

[sactowndog]

On 9/8/2023 at 7:12 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Dude, you just promised the other day that you weren’t leaving Nevada behind, and now you are. That really hurts. Is there anything I can do to change your mind? That’s going to be devastating to us. Please re-consider. How much $ do you want? I have my checkbook out, so message me and let’s get this done. 

Too funny.  

[OzzyOzz]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:43 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

I don’t think the order would end up being relevant. In that scenario there would HAVE to be coordination to pull it off, and that would come out in discovery. I believe if it came down to actual litigation the schools would be found to be acting in bad faith by dissolving the conference to avoid exit fees. It’ll be the same core issue of 10 schools having already decided to leave a conference and blowing it up on the way out. 
 

Not to mention the trouble of two schools negotiating a TV deal with networks for a 12 school conference where 10 schools haven’t officially joined yet. 

Things are different if not done via Twitter lol..if schools sent word to the comish and requested meetings with all parties, and privately announced their plans to them, and waited for feedback and further counsel from the comish..then conference dissolution and agreements as far exit fees can be agreed upon in good faith..

That the departing pac members did not do that and instead opted to do the same publicly and not privately means that they acted in bad faith and therefore different standards and penalties apply..especially since the verbage as written is the "automatic" relinquishment of board rights upon announcement (but here's the kicker..TO the comish). The question is how binding those announcements are, and the precedent set beyond that..

But there doesn't always have to be a breach of contract when schools leave a conference, it just happened that in this instance there might have been..or more specifically, the fact that a vote was being commissioned that went against bylaws and previous operating precedent was the breach, not their departure..

They are always allowed to leave. Good riddance tbh they look so stupid on the way out it's embarrassing for them lol, but..

That CalFord+Pac(-2) didn't follow due process doesn't mean MWC schools must not as well. Just don't post things on Twitter first, give apt notice and have meetings before things are just put out there..

Almost as bad as Trump lol

 

[Kirbycreekpoke]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:36 PM, wolfpack1 said:

Delaware has been looking to move up for 5-10 years now, I don't think they have the finances to do it. C-USA went after UConn and UMass before and both said no thank you to them. 

Blue hens is not an FBS level mascot/name and never will be. 
 

PS. I don’t care if you put ‘Fighting’ in front of it. It still is pathetic. 

[818SUDSFan]

On 8/31/2023 at 3:24 PM, clydebeav said:

Why do I get the feeling that Boise State fans hate OSU? 

I'm not standing up for that Twitter guy by the way. He's ridiculous.

But yeah, I have got the impression that Boise State fans hate the Beavers. More so than any other Mountain West fan base. Am I mistaken?

Clyde:

1. First of all, I realize you have no control over the OS Beaver guy because every decent football playing school has at least one of them, but that guy is an embarrassment to Oregon State and deserves to be drawn and quartered.

2. Why the heck should it matter to your fan base that Boise fans care about you? Boise can fill a similar role in the Pacific-Mountain Conference to what Vanderbilt fills for the SEC. Although Vandy sucks athletically, it is among the best academic schools in the SEC. Although Boise sucks at academics, it will be among the best athletics schools in the Pacific-Mountain.*

* To be clear, I'm not at all advocating that name change; indeed, I don't like it. However, I'm a pragmatist and simply see that name as being inevitable.

[NorNevLifer]

Seems like a pretty clear case given the precedent of USCLA and CU. I’d like to say I’d be shocked if the departing schools try to put up a fight, but greed has taken things to new levels in this round of realignment. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 9/8/2023 at 10:38 PM, NorNevLifer said:

Seems like a pretty clear case given the precedent of USCLA and CU. I’d like to say I’d be shocked if the departing schools try to put up a fight, but greed has taken things to new levels in this round of realignment. 

It'd be embarrassing for them not to counter sue at least since right now they look like idiots. They should counter sue just to save face lol..it'll go into mediation, whether they counter sue or not, which..you know, should have happened when the 2 cali schools first left. So they will, just for any leverage they might get from it.

They'll reach an agreement to negotiate anew eventually..

The payouts will have to be to proportion regardless, but a judge might just decide to let payouts occur as scheduled if mediation efforts are unsuccessful and I doubt W/OSU will hold them to the fire like that, they'll just take their pro rated checks and bounce. 

We beat Wisconsin last year. Week 2, and then a final Pac season. My hope is that a sleeping giant finally wakes up lol. The Pac will be intense. It can be a legacy defining season for all the schools, really. 

[818SUDSFan]

JFC. I go away for nine days to take my first legitimate vacation in eight years and return late tonight to discover that this thread has turned into the world's largest pile of canine fecal matter since the election of Donald Trump.