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On 9/8/2023 at 12:00 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Lol, the next lawsuit should be aimed towards the State of Washington against UW for the breach of agreements that will lead to economic damages for resident taxpayers..

And then they will need to sue the ESPN, Fox, NCAA,etc conglomerate in higher courts for the threat to the integrity of college athletics on behalf of the student athlete. WSU should work hard to give all student athletes the biggest platform they can so everyone can find out what they have to say about all this..ie all the likeness rights, other adequate comp, and the other particulars for the modern day "athlete-student"

..because let's just call it what everyone wanted it to be but not say..

...sue the NCAA on behalf of the student athlete for not just this, but all historical grievances faced by the student athlete...and demand a reworked model for the modern "athlete student" for them, built with them..

 

UW and UO need to be your backup plan.  You need them to promise to vote with you to keep them from aligning with CalFurd to dissolve the conference.  It’s pretty clear the conference assets are what they plan to use to fund their shortfall from the ACC bribe.  

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On 9/8/2023 at 11:16 AM, Brew_Poke said:

"Visionary" and "aggressive" in the context you're speaking means bad partners. Go ahead and chase that high, I guess.

No partners unwilling to expand when needed even if it means short term pain.  Such thinking killed the PAC and injured the MWC when it was on top.  We allowed the rise of the AAC.  

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On 9/8/2023 at 3:23 PM, Headbutt said:

And that would work, but until the rights to the assets and liabilities are settled I don't think they want us there.  I'm not sure we want to be there until we know for sure we're not assuming any Pac liabilities.  I think a scheduling agreement for now allows all the legal stuff to get settled while we start the process of merging...one direction or the other.

The smartest thing the MWC can do is put out the welcome mat, bake some cookies, and decide who's moving into who's house once the remodeling is finished.

Yep and if it means screwing Cal and Stanford pretty sure most Fresno fans would support giving them all our OOC games. :thumbsup:

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On 9/8/2023 at 3:23 PM, Headbutt said:

And that would work, but until the rights to the assets and liabilities are settled I don't think they want us there.  I'm not sure we want to be there until we know for sure we're not assuming any Pac liabilities.  I think a scheduling agreement for now allows all the legal stuff to get settled while we start the process of merging...one direction or the other.

The smartest thing the MWC can do is put out the welcome mat, bake some cookies, and decide who's moving into who's house once the remodeling is finished.

I guess I disagree. I think it’d be beneficial for us all to immediately get A5 status even if it is only for two years when things might change. It’d greatly help with recruiting going forward. 

In terms of liabilities, I believe I read that the Comcast situation will be settled this school year by withholding a portion of the conference payouts from existing members. The other liability are the lawsuits but perhaps there is a way to not have that impact incoming members in exchange for letting OSU and WSU keep most of the asset windfalls. 

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:39 PM, sactowndog said:

No partners unwilling to expand when needed even if it means short term pain.  Such thinking killed the PAC and injured the MWC when it was on top.  We allowed the rise of the AAC.  

Agreed. 

The PAC imploded because it failed to expand when the opportunities were there. Likewise, the MWC was the clear "BOR" conference less than a few short years ago. By failing to expand, we allowed the AAC to jump back on top.

Now, we are getting a "second chance" to do the right thing. With Cinci, Houston, UCF and SMU leaving, the AAC is more or less in shambles. And, fate has also apparently allowed us (or will allow us) to gain WSU and OSU as full members.

Time to not make the same mistakes twice. Time to use that momentum to add 2-4 additional schools that make the most sense and put the AAC once and for all in "checkmate".

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:55 PM, SteedLaw said:

Agreed. 

The PAC imploded because it failed to expand when the opportunities were there. Likewise, the MWC was the clear "BOR" conference less than a few short years ago. By failing to expand, we allowed the AAC to jump back on top.

Now, we are getting a "second chance" to do the right thing. With Cinci, Houston, UCF and SMU leaving, the AAC is more or less in shambles. And, fate has also apparently allowed us (or will allow us) to gain WSU and OSU as full members.

Time to not make the same mistakes twice. Time to use that momentum to add 2-4 additional schools that make the most sense and put the AAC once and for all in "checkmate".

While we're looking at things that killed a conference.  Let's not forget the rampant expansion of the original WAC.

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On 9/8/2023 at 12:33 PM, RebelRobert said:

PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame.

PAC-12
Oregon St
Washington St
UNLV
SDSU
Fresno St
Gonzaga (All Sports but Football)
Hawaii (Football Only)

Boise St
Colorado St
New Mexico
Tulane
Memphis
Wichita St (All Sports but Football)
Air Force (Football Only)

No one is leaving Wyoming behind jackass. They bring 1000x more value to the conference than UNLV ever will.

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:08 PM, sean327 said:

No one is leaving Wyoming behind jackass. They bring 1000x more value to the conference than UNLV ever will.

He conveniently leaves out Nevada, USU and SJSU in all his scenarios though... come on...  His little dick syndrome is tiresome.

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:52 PM, Ram1554 said:

I guess I disagree. I think it’d be beneficial for us all to immediately get A5 status even if it is only for two years when things might change. It’d greatly help with recruiting going forward. 

In terms of liabilities, I believe I read that the Comcast situation will be settled this school year by withholding a portion of the conference payouts from existing members. The other liability are the lawsuits but perhaps there is a way to not have that impact incoming members in exchange for letting OSU and WSU keep most of the asset windfalls. 

I'm not disagreeing with anything your saying other than the assumption that the situation is as it's presented in the media.  Before we dissolve the MWC, I want to see a legal ruling that confirms all of that.  Too big of a step without guarantees.

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On 9/8/2023 at 5:12 PM, sactowndog said:

Time to let that go.  

Irony.  You bring it up more than anyone.

No.  Don't let it go.  It happened.  Willy nilly expansion killed a conference once.  Let's go ahead and avoid that.

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On 9/8/2023 at 5:13 PM, Headbutt said:

Irony.  You bring it up more than anyone.

No.  Don't let it go.  It happened.  Willy nilly expansion killed a conference once.  Let's go ahead and avoid that.

Agreed that "willy nilly" expansion is a bad idea.

But, there are teams and schools out there right now that, in my opinion, make sense. 

I mean, UTEP looks pretty solid this year -- for like the first time in forever. I mean, they are a Carnegie R1 school and the natural rival of New Mexico. They, plus say Texas State, could add a lot of long-term value to the conference. And, given our momentum, they could very well be willing to join at a significantly reduced payout for a few years.

Likewise, Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA can't be too happy about how Aresco handled the whole SMU affair. There could be an opportunity to grab two of them as well. 

I am not saying Willy Nilly expansion. But if others are going to 18 teams, our going to 16 should not seems too crazy of an idea. 

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:13 PM, Headbutt said:

Irony.  You bring it up more than anyone.

No.  Don't let it go.  It happened.  Willy nilly expansion killed a conference once.  Let's go ahead and avoid that.

I’m not talking about Willy nilly expansion, I’m talking about adding the top teams in the central time zone.  And I bring up certain disloyal schools not expansion that was ahead of its time.   
 

unlike your team I’m not advocating separating though as Robert has repeated ad nauseum it’s a viable strategy.   

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:15 PM, SteedLaw said:

He apparently doesn't like USU either. ;)

You're right.  Sorry, it wasn't my intent to leave out the Blue Aggies!  I guess he forgets all of the conference championships the Aggies have in the WAC and MWC over the years.  I fixed my original post to reflect USU.  ☮️

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On 9/8/2023 at 4:22 PM, SteedLaw said:

Agreed that "willy nilly" expansion is a bad idea.

But, there are teams and schools out there right now that, in my opinion, make sense. 

I mean, UTEP looks pretty solid this year -- for like the first time in forever. I mean, they are a Carnegie R1 school and the natural rival of New Mexico. They, plus say Texas State, could add a lot of long-term value to the conference. And, given our momentum, they could very well be willing to join at a significantly reduced payout for a few years.

Likewise, Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA can't be too happy about how Aresco handled the whole SMU affair. There could be an opportunity to grab two of them as well. 

I am not saying Willy Nilly expansion. But if others are going to 18 teams, our going to 16 should not seems too crazy of an idea. 

The top 3 from markets and competitiveness has to be Tulane, Memphis and UTSA.  Then whether it’s 4 or 5 we can talk about whom else.  

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I think the fact that Colorado, USC, and UCLA are excluded from voting will cause a judge t to rule in favor of WSU and OSU.

“Indeed, when (UCLA) and (USC) gave notice of their withdrawal from the Conference in June 2022, the Conference deemed their representatives ineligible to participate on the Board or vote on any Conference matters. The fact that eight more members have now given notice of their withdrawal from the Conference does not change this rule.”

The Pac-12 took the same approach to board membership this summer. After Colorado announced on July 27 that it was leaving for the Big 12, chancellor Phil DiStefano was excluded from subsequent Pac-12 board meetings that occurred before Aug. 4, when five more schools departed, according to the complain"

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It is fun for all of you to play pretend that the PAC-2 will want you and invite you all.

That is not what is going to happen. You would be wise to come to that realization and start planning for your true futures.

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