wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 11:56 AM, baileyake said: Does the PAC12 have a provision that a school loses voting rights once they've notified the conference they are leaving? I believe the MWC does... That is what courts are going to decide now I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Now, this could be the reason that an MWC president brought up a scheduling agreement with Pac, as we know courts will not move quickly on this, and with the recent filings it will draw things out some more, so that scheduling agreement I think becoming more of a realistic option to help WSU/OSU while this is all going on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 2:25 PM, wolfpack1 said: To dissolve the Pac, 9 of the 12 schools would have to vote on it just like with MWC They left at different times so those would not be the correct numbers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 This is gonna be entertaining. 6 Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 2:29 PM, wolfpack1 said: Now, this could be the reason that an MWC president brought up a scheduling agreement with Pac, as we know courts will not move quickly on this, and with the recent filings it will draw things out some more, so that scheduling agreement I think becoming more of a realistic option to help WSU/OSU while this is all going on. PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 Oregon St Washington St UNLV SDSU Fresno St Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) Hawaii (Football Only) Boise St Colorado St New Mexico Tulane Memphis Wichita St (All Sports but Football) Air Force (Football Only) 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 12:33 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited 10 others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 And no one is going to do that with so much in the air 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorNevLifer Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 This is going to be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 12:33 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 Oregon St Washington St UNLV SDSU Fresno St Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) Hawaii (Football Only) Boise St Colorado St New Mexico Tulane Memphis Wichita St (All Sports but Football) Air Force (Football Only) "The legal filing offers some insight into the schools' potential interest in fighting to keep both the league's name and assets going forward. One option has always been to use the financial assets, infrastructure and strong brand of the Pac-12 as a lure to invite the 12 Mountain West schools into the league for some type of amicable merger." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 2:37 PM, wolf from 73 said: "The legal filing offers some insight into the schools' potential interest in fighting to keep both the league's name and assets going forward. One option has always been to use the financial assets, infrastructure and strong brand of the Pac-12 as a lure to invite the 12 Mountain West schools into the league for some type of amicable merger." That is a journalist speculating. He is obviously ignorant to what is really going to happen. Won't be the first time they were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 1:33 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 Oregon St Washington St UNLV SDSU Fresno St Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) Hawaii (Football Only) Boise St Colorado St New Mexico Tulane Memphis Wichita St (All Sports but Football) Air Force (Football Only) If the PAC need to show/go with a commitment in hand it will be just from Gloria and the entire MWC Conference. Been pretty clear according to all sources that a full reverse merger is the end goal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
415hawaiiboy Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I didn’t read the Complaint but I sense the 2PAC schools need the MWC to help them bridge over the legal period via a scheduling agreement, bowl tie ins, etc. Worst case, 2PAC schools join the MWC. Best case, we are all going to be PAC members. A bit more leverage for the MWC since we are needed. Let’s hope for the best case. Let’s help them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpotato Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 11:37 AM, RamSack said: That attendance is better than what SDSU draws. But less then when they were at Qualcomm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 11:45 AM, wolf from 73 said: Actually they did have that provision and a meeting was called for next Wednesday that OSU and WSU fear a vote to dissolve the conference and distribute the assets evenly will be called for. They will not attend as a result of the lawsuit. Any decisions made now are not being made by the Pac 12 because at least 2 have been excluded previously, which sets precedent for the 8..if those are the numbers. And the numbers will go by the legal definition of notification which, off the top of my head, has 2 aspects; 1. Clear intent. 2. Audience. Intent was established by the notice on Twitter, and Audience included the Pac 12 as an entity. And precedent for notice has already been set by the departure of the 2 previous schools...so, there's little to talk about there. They can't meet quorum in a pac 12 (8 votes v 2 votes v 2 non votes), can they meet quorum in a pac 10 with no by laws established in the case? No. Yes..they can gather as a pac8, but not a pac9 which is what they needed. They can also gather as a Pac 10, but precedent has been set as far as voting rights there. And as a Pac 12 it stands 8 vs 2 vs non 2. That's why I thought CalFord would be smart enough to stick with the Pac4. Did they not see that the numbers weren't in their favor? But there're things I don't know so this is all speculation.. And still, I keep saying this, why are they doing this so openly? They don't know what they are doing..well, at least some do lol.. The fact that we've been able to change the narrative so as to ensure CalFord left first is crazy..they should have waited W/OSU out but the narrative was that their hands were being forced and they weren't in reality. Truth is, O/WSU was in a bad position there because CalFord could have easily out-lasted them in a game of chicken. They really should be shut off from social media but it's too late now lol. Millions due to this. Now, please. On 9/8/2023 at 12:15 PM, HR_Poke said: I'm guessing they didn't get a response by 10 am since they filed soon after. I've learnt something here. The timing seems good but I wouldn't know as this is all a bit new to me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudleyDgroot Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 12:33 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 Oregon St Washington St UNLV SDSU Fresno St Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) Hawaii (Football Only) Boise St Colorado St New Mexico Tulane Memphis Wichita St (All Sports but Football) Air Force (Football Only) Not your crap again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1554 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 It may have already been discussed in the last 1,000+ pages, but what is stopping all 12 MWC members from dissolving our conference via an immediate vote? It says right in the bylaws that we are able to dissolve the conference as an entity. Would it just be that we owe damages to our current TV partners for not providing them content the last two years of our contract? But if all 12 of us are essentially conference-less after this school year, the PAC could take us all in next summer and we could carry on under the PAC banner. Alternatively, who exactly are we beholden to for exit fees? If we all decide to give notice to “leave” the conference and then each get invited to the PAC, wouldn’t there be no one left in the MWC to collect exit fees thus rendering them moot. I may be going in circles here, but I am having a hard time concluding why this reverse merger stuff needs to be such a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 3:10 PM, Ram1554 said: It may have already been discussed in the last 1,000+ pages, but what is stopping all 12 MWC members from dissolving our conference via an immediate vote? It says right in the bylaws that we are able to dissolve the conference as an entity. Would it just be that we owe damages to our current TV partners for not providing them content the last two years of our contract? But if all 12 of us are essentially conference-less after this school year, the PAC could take us all in next summer and we could carry on under the PAC banner. Alternatively, who exactly are we beholden to for exit fees? If we all decide to give notice to “leave” the conference and then each get invited to the PAC, wouldn’t there be no one left in the MWC to collect exit fees thus rendering them moot. I may be going in circles here, but I am having a hard time concluding why this reverse merger stuff needs to be such a challenge. PAC-2 doesn't want all of you and you can't just invite yourself to live with someone else. They have to be agreeable to it. PAC-2 will decide who gets invited to the PAC-12. Not lowlife MWC schools that are scared. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSpartan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 12:33 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 will want to have a commitment in hand (when going to court) showing that they have invited others schools to the PAC-12 that are ready to join within the mandated NCAA time frame. PAC-12 Oregon St Washington St UNLV SDSU Fresno St Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) Hawaii (Football Only) Boise St Colorado St New Mexico Tulane Memphis Wichita St (All Sports but Football) Air Force (Football Only) So now UNR is out, but Hawaii (Football Only) is in, as is Wichita State (non-FB). Oh, and USAFA non-FB? Chinga te, cabrones. I swear dude has a Keno ball machine filled up with all the various schools of the MWC and ACK and MVC that he likes, and he just rolls the bones and picks them out 12 at a time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 2:16 PM, SierraSpartan said: So now UNR is out, but Hawaii (Football Only) is in, as is Wichita State (non-FB). Oh, and USAFA non-FB? Chinga te, cabrones. I swear dude has a Keno ball machine filled up with all the various schools of the MWC and ACK and MVC that he likes, and he just rolls the bones and picks them out 12 at a time. NM also made his latest cut. He must have seen something he liked in the A&M game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 4:17 PM, alum93 said: NM also made his latest cut. He must have seen something he liked in the A&M game. He's back to hating Wyoming though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 3:14 PM, RebelRobert said: PAC-2 doesn't want all of you and you can't just invite yourself to live with someone else. They have to be agreeable to it. And yet you keep trying. 2 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...