utgrizfan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:54 PM, thespywhozaggedme said: There’s two teams in Northern California and a team in Dallas that are going to be part of the Atlantic Coast Conference next season. Pretty sure geographic location is not even remotely close to a criteria for conference affiliation anymore. Those are Power Conferences who have the $$ to spare for the insane travel distances. A smaller non power Conference like the MWC+PAC wouldn't have the same amount to work with, anything East of Texas should be a no go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:02 PM, BSUTOP25 said: Another way to think about it — New Orleans is no more difficult for Boise State to send its volleyball team to than El Paso. It may in fact be easier and cheaper. Same with Memphis. The geographic center is Kansas and Memphis is west of the population center. Same with New Orleans. To not take Memphis and Tulane, if we can, is dumb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:27 PM, utgrizfan said: Those are Power Conferences who have the $$ to spare for the insane travel distances. A smaller non power Conference like the MWC+PAC wouldn't have the same amount to work with, anything East of Texas should be a no go. We have flown SDSU to CSU, Wyoming to Hawaii. Having Memphis as a central plains 9 reduces travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSpartan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 6:57 PM, wolf from 73 said: Pac-12 legal delay: WSU, OSU hoped to proceed quickly, but conference office slow to move By Jon Wilner, Bay Area News Group | Posted - Sept. 7, 2023 at 1:21 p.m. wow! It would seem that the conference is either incompetent or dragging their feet purposely. https://www.ksl.com/article/50725734/pac-12-legal-delay-wsu-osu-hoped-to-proceed-quickly-but-conference-office-slow-to-move Quote The bylaws indicate that any school providing a "notice of departure" relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source. Does that mean they have retained voting rights? Or have their public actions served as de facto declarations of intent? After all, the Big 12, Big Ten and ACC have all acknowledged the new members on social media; several schools held news conferences to address their departures; presidents and athletic directors have commented on the pending moves. Do the announcements and public comments constitute legally binding departure notices? Could a settlement be forthcoming? Jeebus Suffering Fvck. SUDS managed to withdraw from the MWC, get smacked around by Gloria's lawyers, and retract their "intent" to withdraw in the space of roughly two weeks' time. And now, with months if not years of lead notice, and with potentially tens of millions of dollars at stake, the PAC still doesn't know if it is currently the PAC-12 or the PAC-2, nor do they know who is actually making decisions for the conference. I'm astonished that conference has lasted as long as it did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 This was posted on another board that I found interesting. "That doesn't stop the Central coast teams going west. UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane. UTSA to WSU = 3:37. UTSA to Temple = 3:09 UTSA to UNLV = 2:31 UTSA to FAU = 2:47 UTSA to SDSU = 2:37 UTSA to USF = 2:03 UTSA to Navy = 2:56 UTSA to BSU = 3:16 UTSA to ECU = 3:06 UTSA to Fresno = 3:10 These are the West teams they wouldn't be playing much if they have west/east divisions. Here's the teams they would be mostly playing. UTSA to CSU = 2:13 UTSA to Air Force = 1:59 UTSA to Rice = 0:34 UTSA to UNT = 0:44 UTSA to Tulsa = 1:28 UTSA to Memphis = 1:33 UTSA to Tulane = 1:31 UTSA would actually save on travel if the 2pac had west/east divisions. It wouldn't be much different for the other central time zone teams." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:36 PM, wolf from 73 said: This was posted on another board that I found interesting. "That doesn't stop the Central coast teams going west. UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane. UTSA to WSU = 3:37. UTSA to Temple = 3:09 UTSA to UNLV = 2:31 UTSA to FAU = 2:47 UTSA to SDSU = 2:37 UTSA to USF = 2:03 UTSA to Navy = 2:56 UTSA to BSU = 3:16 UTSA to ECU = 3:06 UTSA to Fresno = 3:10 These are the West teams they wouldn't be playing much if they have west/east divisions. Here's the teams they would be mostly playing. UTSA to CSU = 2:13 UTSA to Air Force = 1:59 UTSA to Rice = 0:34 UTSA to UNT = 0:44 UTSA to Tulsa = 1:28 UTSA to Memphis = 1:33 UTSA to Tulane = 1:31 UTSA would actually save on travel if the 2pac had west/east divisions. It wouldn't be much different for the other central time zone teams." UTSA to ABQ is 1:35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 10:27 PM, utgrizfan said: Those are Power Conferences who have the $$ to spare for the insane travel distances. A smaller non power Conference like the MWC+PAC wouldn't have the same amount to work with, anything East of Texas should be a no go. Unless it is for a football only member, it really makes no sense to go too far East, I agree. Look, if we had the pick of the entire G5 and geography were not relevant, we would go for USF for certain followed by Army, Nay, and Memphis — but that is just not reasonable. I mean, if they would want to join as football only members, then I guess it might be doable. But for Oly sports and BB? Come on there is no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPslograd Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 7:43 PM, bornontheblue said: Been too busy with fall tax season to keep up. Can someone give me a brief summary of realignment in the last week? THANKS IN ADVANCE nothing. NW twins lawyers and accountants doing their due dilligence. In the east, AAC is pursuing Army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:35 PM, SierraSpartan said: Jeebus Suffering Fvck. SUDS managed to withdraw from the MWC, get smacked around by Gloria's lawyers, and retract their "intent" to withdraw in the space of roughly two weeks' time. And now, with months if not years of lead notice, and with potentially tens of millions of dollars at stake, the PAC still doesn't know if it is currently the PAC-12 or the PAC-2, nor do they know who is actually making decisions for the conference. I'm astonished that conference has lasted as long as it did. This was the gist of my very first post on this forum. America really is actually being run via Twitter and it's ludicrous. Aren't these things supposed to be happening in private, and aren't people being well compensated to...not?..be doing their jobs? It's weird..idk what is going on anymore but whatever it is, it'd be funny if it weren't so potentially dangerous to the public as well. Yes, an announcement to join another conference is an announcement of their intention to leave the one they are in, that is logically judicious and therefore those announcements should be found to be legally binding. A gazettement (even via Twitter) is a fundamental legal procedure, and it has already occured (in weird 2023 ways...). Before they'd use mail, but hey.. But.. A public notice is a notice to all members of the public (duh) which includes the Pac as an entity as well as all its constituent members. Their announcement is as legally binding as copy and that they chose to do so publicly doesn't change the actual notice. It was posted for all to see. To notice. It was also stupid to do so. And it's why WSU/OSU can't up and join the MWC as doing so would forfeit its claim to the Pac's assets, as is. It's why a reverse merger is best for them, or a merger of the conferences, however that looks like, and not just the joining of the 2 schools.. If not then those assets can definitely be claimed by all parties, equitably, when the pac is dissolved entirely. And the MWC should want those assets. And the Pac2 wants to give it to them..except maybe the MWC "doesn't need them"... Sigh. But could they just wrap up Army and Navy so we can be done with all this? That there is pressure for Army to move from elsewhere is good, it will signal to them a decision needs to be made (it doesn't, but humans are monkeys) and they may choose the MWC just because it's not the stick, but the carrot. And yes, of course, I've always wanted a horse. A horse of course, of course. Not a wayward horse, one of course, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 8:17 PM, UNLV2001 said: At least UTEP has some history with most of the MWC & isn't a far off location.......It's got potential in hoops if they got in a better conference. New Mexico vs UTEP could be really good games Personally I really don't want to see the MWC look at Tulane & schools that have zero ties to the west or MWC We'd have 3 different men's basketball NCAA national championship winners if they were here. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpotato Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 4:37 PM, SteedLaw said: I am just glad to know that W/OSU are finally landing in what is a really healthy spot. Honestly, it is a big deal for the MWC. And, I still stand by what I said earlier that W/OSU will be amazing members of this conference - great schools and great teams. I think the statement that we would welcome them with "open arms" is a bit of an understatement there. At the least, I think this is going to be far more amenable than their former home, at least in the long-run. And, to be fair, I believe it would be a solid conference. And, in time and with proper care and planning, this new PAC could give the old PAC a run for its money. On the topic of Gonzaga, I honestly don't know. Personally, I would love to see Gonzaga as a non-football member. However, It appears that the reverse merger new PAC is wanting to continue in the same vein of branding as before. That is, a conference consisting of large (primarily public) research universities that are already Carnegie R1, or are on the path to becoming R1/AAU. These schools, primarily have the backing of large student-bodies and the names and the legislatures of their state governments. Most schools also have large endowments in addition to these factors. I just don't know what small private schools, like Gonzaga and Tulane, really bring to this branding model? I mean, I think the military academies make far more sense long term. And, if I would have to venture a guess, any new adds to this new conference would either be (a) federally owned military academies (i.e., Army or Navy) and/or (b) large state-owned and state-named public Carnegie R1 institutions. Again, I just don't know if either a small, private jesuit school in Spokane and a small private medical college in New Orleans really fits the "mold". Just sayin. I feel like you probably have some decent things to say but, tighten it up... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpotato Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 11:23 PM, OzzyOzz said: This was the gist of my very first post on this forum. America really is actually being run via Twitter and it's ludicrous. Aren't these things supposed to be happening in private, and aren't people being well compensated to...not?..be doing their jobs? It's weird..idk what is going on anymore but whatever it is, it'd be funny if it weren't so potentially dangerous to the public as well. Yes, an announcement to join another conference is an announcement of their intention to leave the one they are in, that is logically judicious and therefore those announcements should be found to be legally binding. A gazettement (even via Twitter) is a fundamental legal procedure, and it has already occured (in weird 2023 ways...). Before they'd use mail, but hey.. But.. A public notice is a notice to all members of the public (duh), which includes the Pac as an entity as well as all its constituent members. Their announcement is as legally binding as copy, and that they chose to do so publicly doesn't change the actual notice. It was posted for all to see. To notice. It was also stupid to do so. And it's why the WSU/OSU can't up and join the MWC as doing so would forfeit its claim to the Pac's assets, as is. It's why a reverse merger is best for them, or a merger of the conferences, however that looks like, and not just the joining of the 2 schools.. If not then those assets can definitely be claimed by all parties, equitably, when the pac is dissolved entirely. And the MWC should want those assets. And the Pac2 wants to give it to them..except maybe the MWC "doesn't need them"... Sigh. But could they just wrap up Army and Navy so we can be done with all this? That there is pressure for Army to move from elsewhere is good, it will signal to them a decision needs to be made (it doesn't, but humans are monkeys) and they may choose the MWC just because it's not the stick, but the carrot. And yes, of course, I've always wanted a horse. A horse of course, of course. Not a wayward horse, one of course, of course. This works here too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyOzz Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 11:03 PM, kingpotato said: This works here too... Here's the cliffs: People are stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 10:50 PM, jdgaucho said: Not realignment news, but I didn't want to just start a separate thread. So it's going here. @wolfpack1, @crixus UCSB baseball is installing artificial turf for 2024, just the fourth program in California to not play on natural grass (USF, Santa Clara, Cal Baptist). Even have our own renderings https://keyt.com/news/local-news/top-stories/2023/09/06/grass-is-not-always-greener-ucsb-putting-artificial-turf-in-at-caesar-uyesaka-stadium/ Nevada installed artificial field a few years ago and looked funky at first but seems to have worked out well, especially in regards to water and such, can drain and dry quicker than natural grass. However, no offense, but those pictures look awful. What I would change is take out the SB in the outfield that just looks cheesy and maybe put Gauchos or school symbol where it says Santa Barabara on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 12:11 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: Ok, but they aren’t earning 2m in perpetuity, it’s escalating to full share status, question is over how many years? I’ll be interested to see how much they actually pull in. The AAC leftovers averaged about 8.25m/each in revenue last year. That is going up each year. I think its same type of deal Cal and Stanford signed, it will go up every year and toward the end of the contract they will be near full share status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 10:05 AM, jlobo09 said: Really? I think he has done a pretty good job. He was talking about the "4 corner schools" before the big national reports did. He was also one of the first to report that the OSU/WSU would not be going to the AAC. He seems to have strong ESPN and PAC sources. Everyone and their mother knew WSU and OSU weren't going to AAC there was no breaking story on that. Big 12 had been flirting with Colorado and Arizona for quite a while as well that was common knowledge as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 6:42 PM, UofMTigers said: agreed. it doesn't make sense to pay the MWC an exit fee and the AAC an entrance fee just to be in a conf with Army/Navy. Army doesn't have to pay anyone an exit fee so they're a perfect football-only addition to the conference. And if they do it, would have to get the same deal that Navy did when they joined AAC with regards to CBS Sports Network contract and all that jazz. Air Force has none of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 As an article I read today, said there is a lot of logistics, legal language and things about those lines for any kind of merger between the two conferences that would have to be worked out as MWC has assets as well that would be affected by such a merger. Which you need all the information you can to get an accurate picture which includes all the lawsuits currently going on against Pac-12 all debt, money owed etc. Then into that you will have the NCAA involved as well in some aspects of it which takes time to figure everything out, and haven't even brought up the media contracts yet, which their lawyers and such are going to get involved in as well and don't forget bowl agreements as well. There are a lot of different tentacles out there for a merger that all would have to be worked out and its a process and not a quick process, but also remember it was MWC that brought up in an article about a scheduling agreement. But again no one knows what is going on except a group of people, and everyone is guessing what is going to happen. This will also being laying groundwork for two years from now with a new TV contract as well. I just don't see our TV partners going up to $10 million per school just like that especially with two years remaining on the current deal. To easy for the to say yea we can wait another year to start talks on a new contract and everything stays the same until then. On another note did see a note today that AAC could be look at adding a non football member if Army decides to sign up with AAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 9:35 PM, SierraSpartan said: Jeebus Suffering Fvck. SUDS managed to withdraw from the MWC, get smacked around by Gloria's lawyers, and retract their "intent" to withdraw in the space of roughly two weeks' time. And now, with months if not years of lead notice, and with potentially tens of millions of dollars at stake, the PAC still doesn't know if it is currently the PAC-12 or the PAC-2, nor do they know who is actually making decisions for the conference. I'm astonished that conference has lasted as long as it did. This is silly. There’s obviously been an agreement signed or verbally committed to that the 10 schools have made and publicized, and you won’t find a judge in this land that wouldn’t consider that an official notice of departure. You don’t need a letter that says at the top “Official Notice of Departure” and say those same words in order for it to occur. It certainly makes things cleaner to do that, but in business law, just certain behavior can be enough to convince a judge that a clear notice of departure was made. Playing word games like that doesn’t get you very far in this area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorTyme Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 11:35 PM, SierraSpartan said: Jeebus Suffering Fvck. SUDS managed to withdraw from the MWC, get smacked around by Gloria's lawyers, and retract their "intent" to withdraw in the space of roughly two weeks' time. And now, with months if not years of lead notice, and with potentially tens of millions of dollars at stake, the PAC still doesn't know if it is currently the PAC-12 or the PAC-2, nor do they know who is actually making decisions for the conference. I'm astonished that conference has lasted as long as it did. Thats why Gloria Nevarez needs to be the Commissioner! Smart Strong Leadership! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...