Conference Realignment thread

[Nevada Convert]

                
    I’m starting to feel it. Reverse MW merger with PAC-2.
    Was talking to mother tonight, she agrees. Big things
    coming!! AAC wants Army? How bout this? ESPN, FOX, 
    CBS & NBC all see the value of military in PAC. Networks
    to meet Friday on fronting money for new Sofi type stadium 
    for Space Force & Marines!!! Yes, in 2027, we add both.
    Marines say there’s plenty of room for Army at Camp      
    Pendleton, so come on out Army! We love you. We add
    you 2028.

    Navy already in San Diego, just build new classrooms.
    New Sofi quad purpose stadium! My source tells me
    having entire military in PAC means automatic $37 mil
    per school. No Army, then $32 mil. By 2029, looking at
    $51 mil when military contracts boost parallel revenue
    streams! Then by 2031, hostile takeover of Big-12.
    Amazing fortune for PAC I say! Stay tuned! 
   

 

[Nevada Convert]

It’s funny how superstar Tulane only gets one conference game on TV, a 4pm ESPN Friday game with Memphis. UTSA only gets one, as well. It’s a 6pm Friday game on ESPN2 against powerhouse USF. LOL!! What a TV deal. 

[NorCalCoug]

On 9/4/2023 at 6:14 PM, robe said:

BYU fans or at least 70% of them primarily leave multiple states away from Utah. We aren’t nearly as invested in USU as in state fans. But we can’t denied the history we have with them. Same with BSU. USU, BSU and Utah became our primary rival during Independence. BSU was in my opinion our top rival during independence. Now it looks like that rival is dead for a while. I’m excited and relieved to be in the B12. I’m not sure what we should do about those 2 rivalries going forward. BYU needs games in California more than continuing the rivalries. SDSU, Cal, Stanford, San Jose St, Fresno St, UCLA and USC are probably more important games now. 

I live in state.  BYU fans simply don’t care about USU.  

[RSF]

On 9/5/2023 at 5:12 AM, Nevada Convert said:

It’s funny how superstar Tulane only gets one conference game on TV, a 4pm ESPN Friday game with Memphis. UTSA only gets one, as well. It’s a 6pm Friday game on ESPN2 against powerhouse USF. LOL!! What a TV deal. 

That's because most of their games haven't been scheduled yet, Mr Wizard.  12 day window.

 

 

The American Athletic Conference has a contract with ESPN Networks for all of their football television rights. ESPN will guarantee the conference a minimum of 40 games to air on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU with a minimum of 20 games on ABC, ESPN and ESPN2. ESPN+ will also carry games.

[Gator 82]

On 9/2/2023 at 6:50 PM, RebelRobert said:

UNLV is 1-0. We beat some guy named Bryan.

But he still managed to score 14 points on us.

[RebelRobert]

On 9/5/2023 at 7:03 AM, Gator 82 said:

But he still managed to score 14 points on us.

Saving it all for the BIG house.

[HR_Poke]

On 9/5/2023 at 2:04 AM, Nevada Convert said:

                
    I’m starting to feel it. Reverse MW merger with PAC-2.
    Was talking to mother tonight, she agrees. Big things
    coming!! AAC wants Army? How bout this? ESPN, FOX, 
    CBS & NBC all see the value of military in PAC. Networks
    to meet Friday on fronting money for new Sofi type stadium 
    for Space Force & Marines!!! Yes, in 2027, we add both.
    Marines say there’s plenty of room for Army at Camp      
    Pendleton, so come on out Army! We love you. We add
    you 2028.

    Navy already in San Diego, just build new classrooms.
    New Sofi quad purpose stadium! My source tells me
    having entire military in PAC means automatic $37 mil
    per school. No Army, then $32 mil. By 2029, looking at
    $51 mil when military contracts boost parallel revenue
    streams! Then by 2031, hostile takeover of Big-12.
    Amazing fortune for PAC I say! Stay tuned! 
   

 

I lost 50 IQ points reading that twitter post....

[PTR]

On 9/5/2023 at 12:45 AM, wolf from 73 said:

 

It's been clear that this is the only path for weeks, despite the Twitter retard chamber crying otherwise. 

[EvilPoke]

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." Sun Tzu.

Until there's a Power-Group split - this will never end. 

The MW and AAC have to be ready when Clemson, FSU and UNC jump ship from the ACC.

 

[SteedLaw]

On 9/5/2023 at 4:42 AM, NorCalCoug said:

I live in state.  BYU fans simply don’t care about USU.  

Yep. that is my point entirely. Everyone knows this…and that was exactly my point. 

My point, for clarification, was exactly what you just said—it is nothing personal, we just don’t care.

And as a result, the athletic departments of both BYU and Utah will sacrifice anything and everything to win — including all integrity, just to say the “won”. And, people outside the state just don’t realize how sick and toxic this has become.

All the lying, misrepresentation, and cheating—it’s nothing personal— just par for the course for how your AD’s administration works—and has worked from the beginning.

And, to be clear, I do NOT extend this behavior to the Church, BYU’s administration, its athletes, its fans, it’s alumni, or its students—those are all very good people. I actually like those guys a lot—nor does it even extend to your coaching staff. Believe it or not, but I’ll cheer for Sitake and the Cougars so long as they don’t play the Aggies. (I know Sitake and I like the guy.)

Rather, however, it is this elitist culture of “who-cares-win-at-all-costs-no-matter-the sacrifice” and “what-does-integrity-matter-when-winning-is-at-stake” attitude comes strongly into play.

And don’t get me wrong either; the Utes athletic departments have it too. Which is why I posted that article earlier this year stating it was actually President Young who who tipped off Craig Thompson on “The Project”.

Wait, President Young? The Utes? What did he care? The Utes had already left for the PAC and were poised to make bucko bucks. What was in it for them to tip off the MWC? That is what we call in M&A a high risk and no reward situation.

Nah, President Young just wanted to win. It was nothing personal; he just didn’t care about BYU or USU. He just wanted to win-at-all-costs just for the sake of “winning”. And, he was willing to sacrifice his reputation, integrity, and the reputation of his entire institution — just know that he WON.

Think about how messed up that is for a moment? President Young was willing to do ANYTHING to win, including screwing over the other two largest research and educational institutions in the state. Heck, one was even OWNED by the state!

All lot of people would say it is because he hated BYU and USU…but, as you just put it, we know that is not true. It was because he simply didn’t CARE about BYU or USU and nothing NOTHING was going to get between him and “winning”. 

Look, I don’t care who you cheer for or who you Alma Mater is—but Utah and BYU should care more about the institutions of higher learning and the teams that represent them in the state of Utah. The may not think it, and that is the problem, but they have a fiduciary duty to external stakeholders in this state and their myopic “win-at-all-costs” attitude is hurting the state.

Another example, a lot of people think the absolute vitriol and hatred that exists between BYU and Utah is about religion—you know that isn’t true. So what is it about? Why is the Holy War the most heated and hated rivalry in all of college football?

It is because both schools athletic departments have become all about winning at all costs no matter the sacrifice, and it has gone WAY too far.

The Utes, the Aggies, and the Cougars may not have to cheer for each other—but the desire to “win” needs to be tempered with some level of “concern” and “care” for how their actions could negatively affect others involved. And, in my opinion, the culture of winning at all costs has become so toxic at Utah and BYU’s athletic departments that only an entire gutting and replacement of those offices would any effect on positive change.

https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/platform/amp/2023/2/13/23598029/in-retirement-craig-thompson-reveals-utahs-call-stopped-byu-and-utah-states-project-mike-young

[NorCalCoug]

On 9/5/2023 at 6:57 AM, EvilPoke said:

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." Sun Tzu.

Until there's a Power-Group split - this will never end. 

The MW and AAC have to be ready when Clemson, FSU and UNC jump ship from the ACC.

 

Curious what you think the MWC has to be ready for?  I honestly don’t see much impact to the MWC when that happens due to geography.  PACmageddon had much larger potential implications but it almost feels like the best possible outcome is coming to fruition for the MWC.

[bornontheblue]

On 8/20/2023 at 6:07 AM, Fresnoboss1 said:

Bitch, go +++++ yourself and and ur fat ass husband ugly ass boy..

Your town, your team, and your stupid ass  fans / cousins, suck bitch you know damn well fresno state  football and fresno ca is alot better then ur shitty ass town and team ..btw, lunch. Box, I promise  u won't bring your ass to fresno and talk that bs ..u would get your ass Whooped l..and I am a fresno Bulldog college street bitch and I ain't on parole Or in prison so watch your racist  and Stereo type words guy.. 

- Fresnoboss1.. Bulldog born, Bulldog bred, I'm going to be a Bulldog til I'm Dead.. 

Shall we settle this like men at Best Buy 

[NorCalCoug]

On 9/5/2023 at 9:17 AM, bornontheblue said:

Shall we settle this like men at Best Buy 

[HR_Poke]

On 9/5/2023 at 11:17 AM, bornontheblue said:

Shall we settle this like men at Best Buy 

May I suggest the best buy in Nampa, ID. It's really first rate for these type of situations.

[bornontheblue]

On 9/5/2023 at 9:45 AM, HR_Poke said:

May I suggest the best buy in Nampa, ID. It's really first rate for these type of situations.

We can go get a cookie at Crumbl afterwards. 

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 9/4/2023 at 8:45 PM, wolf from 73 said:

 

Just speculating but I wonder whether OSU and WSU are waking up to the fact that if they try to go down the Pac rebuild road, they're taking on a multi-year headache as the sole remaining legacy members of the conference.

As the last two remaining Pac board members, their presidents would be assuming full fiduciary control over all of the Pac's affairs, including disposition of all of the legacy claims and threatened future claims against it.  Fiduciary control carries fiduciary risk, and spreading that risk across twelve school presidents is a lot different than saddling it on just two.

There's been a lot discussion about how staying in a two-member Pac for 2024 and/or 2025 will reap various financial windfalls for OSU and WSU, but not really much discussion of the administrative burdens and legal risks.  The OSU and WSU presidents were hired by their respective university boards to run their universities, not to salvage an athletic conference teetering on the brink of oblivion in the maelstrom of realignment.  Maybe now that they've had some time to get briefed by the Pac's lawyers on all of the pressing challenges and issues facing the conference, they're rethinking the rebuild option and considering whether it would be best to just arrange for OSU and WSU to join the MWC at the same time the other current Pac members are joining the Big 10, Big 12, and ACC.

Bailing to the MWC would put them in the same boat as the other 10 Pac presidents with respect to responsibility for dealing with all of the Pac's loose ends.  In that scenario I could see all 12 presidents deciding to just delegate the whole mess over to a liquidation subcommittee that works with the attorneys and accountants to maximize whatever value can be extracted from the conference's assets, use the money to pay off all of the conference's liabilities, and distribute the remainder equally to the 12 departing members.

[Chalsean]

On 9/5/2023 at 10:42 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

Just speculating but I wonder whether OSU and WSU are waking up to the fact that if they try to go down the Pac rebuild road, they're taking on a multi-year headache as the sole remaining legacy members of the conference.

As the last two remaining Pac board members, their presidents would be assuming full fiduciary control over all of the Pac's affairs, including disposition of all of the legacy claims and threatened future claims against it.  Fiduciary control carries fiduciary risk, and spreading that risk across twelve school presidents is a lot different than saddling it on just two.

There's been a lot discussion about how staying in a two-member Pac for 2024 and/or 2025 will reap various financial windfalls for OSU and WSU, but not really much discussion of the administrative burdens and legal risks.  The OSU and WSU presidents were hired by their respective university boards to run their universities, not to salvage an athletic conference teetering on the brink of oblivion in the maelstrom of realignment.  Maybe now that they've had some time to get briefed by the Pac's lawyers on all of the pressing challenges and issues facing the conference, they're rethinking the rebuild option and considering whether it would be best to just arrange for OSU and WSU to join the MWC at the same time the other current Pac members are joining the Big 10, Big 12, and ACC.

Bailing to the MWC would put them in the same boat as the other 10 Pac presidents with respect to responsibility for dealing with all of the Pac's loose ends.  In that scenario I could see all 12 presidents deciding to just delegate the whole mess over to a liquidation subcommittee that works with the attorneys and accountants to maximize whatever value can be extracted from the conference's assets, use the money to pay off all of the conference's liabilities, and distribute the remainder equally to the 12 departing members.

Really good points, hadn't thought about all the possible legal battles if they retain PAC entity.

[Subcanis]

On 9/4/2023 at 7:14 PM, robe said:

BYU fans or at least 70% of them primarily leave multiple states away from Utah. We aren’t nearly as invested in USU as in state fans. But we can’t denied the history we have with them. Same with BSU. USU, BSU and Utah became our primary rival during Independence. BSU was in my opinion our top rival during independence. Now it looks like that rival is dead for a while. I’m excited and relieved to be in the B12. I’m not sure what we should do about those 2 rivalries going forward. BYU needs games in California more than continuing the rivalries. SDSU, Cal, Stanford, San Jose St, Fresno St, UCLA and USC are probably more important games now. 

I hate that this is what CFB has become.  

[NevadaFan]

On 9/5/2023 at 10:20 AM, Subcanis said:

I hate that this is what CFB has become.  

It cracks me up to listen to commentators on ESPN or CBS make fun of the changes to college football. Ummm, I’m pretty sure TV revenue is one of the primary reasons for the reshuffle. More money, more money. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 9/5/2023 at 9:42 AM, HawaiiMongoose said:

Just speculating but I wonder whether OSU and WSU are waking up to the fact that if they try to go down the Pac rebuild road, they're taking on a multi-year headache as the sole remaining legacy members of the conference.

As the last two remaining Pac board members, their presidents would be assuming full fiduciary control over all of the Pac's affairs, including disposition of all of the legacy claims and threatened future claims against it.  Fiduciary control carries fiduciary risk, and spreading that risk across twelve school presidents is a lot different than saddling it on just two.

There's been a lot discussion about how staying in a two-member Pac for 2024 and/or 2025 will reap various financial windfalls for OSU and WSU, but not really much discussion of the administrative burdens and legal risks.  The OSU and WSU presidents were hired by their respective university boards to run their universities, not to salvage an athletic conference teetering on the brink of oblivion in the maelstrom of realignment.  Maybe now that they've had some time to get briefed by the Pac's lawyers on all of the pressing challenges and issues facing the conference, they're rethinking the rebuild option and considering whether it would be best to just arrange for OSU and WSU to join the MWC at the same time the other current Pac members are joining the Big 10, Big 12, and ACC.

Bailing to the MWC would put them in the same boat as the other 10 Pac presidents with respect to responsibility for dealing with all of the Pac's loose ends.  In that scenario I could see all 12 presidents deciding to just delegate the whole mess over to a liquidation subcommittee that works with the attorneys and accountants to maximize whatever value can be extracted from the conference's assets, use the money to pay off all of the conference's liabilities, and distribute the remainder equally to the 12 departing members.

Plus if they really want to continue the brand without the legal baggage they could just work out a deal where the Mountain West could rename itself the Pac-whatever. Kind of like how the Big East wasn’t actually the legal successor of the old Big East, even though it got the name. 
 

Im agnostic about maintaining the Pac-XX brand. Personally I think it’d be cool to dust off the PCC name if a merger happens.