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1 minute ago, Spaztecs said:

Where it all Stands:

 

Notre Dame is the next Major Player. From what reports I read this morning, Independence is valuable to them right now. They are in the Cat Birds seat with Three Conferences and every Network with a Billion dollars  to throw around pursuing them. 

If ND stays in the ACC they get their lifeline and I believe Clemson/+1 stay put. 

ND and Clemson to the $EC would be the ultimate coup.

PAC will hold at 10 to see what their value is. If minimal, there's a mass Exodus

New12 wants to merge. YBU and UCF are deal killers.

Every G5 that thinks they're the "Little Engine that Could", is on Pof and Tinder trying desperately to dump their current girl friend.

Everything else is speculation.

 

Only thing I will add to this is if none of the G5 get a call up from the minors on this round it will never happen and most will be doomed to a slow (or rapid) demise as revenue generated will never be enough to keep their athletic departments afloat.

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On 7/5/2022 at 10:51 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

We should hear more publicly tomorrow (today already on east coast?)

Still waiting for this. We gave up on the Memphis hoops financial report. 

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On 7/6/2022 at 12:13 PM, Someone Else said:

Only thing I will add to this is if none of the G5 get a call up from the minors on this round it will never happen and most will be doomed to a slow (or rapid) demise as revenue generated will never be enough to keep their athletic departments afloat.

I don't think so.  G5 schools will actually adjust athletic budgets now that they don't have to pretend to keep up with P5 teams.  Since 70+ teams will be left behind more or less,  there will be plenty of teams to form multiple conferences.  I can see a few dropping football down the road, but that should be minimal.  

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On 7/6/2022 at 12:13 PM, Someone Else said:

Only thing I will add to this is if none of the G5 get a call up from the minors on this round it will never happen and most will be doomed to a slow (or rapid) demise as revenue generated will never be enough to keep their athletic departments afloat.

I think most will be okay.

They have survived this long without big tv contracts. A few will struggle without their payday games. 

The FCS, D2 & D3 has survived.

Like the Big Boys, we will probably see a reshuffling of the G5 deck chairs and will have fewer G5 Conferences.

 

This is the downside of unfettered Capitalism.

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2 hours ago, Spaztecs said:

I think most will be okay.

They have survived this long without big tv contracts. A few will struggle without their payday games. 

The FCS, D2 & D3 has survived.

Like the Big Boys, we will probably see a reshuffling of the G5 deck chairs and will have fewer G5 Conferences.

 

This is the downside of unfettered Capitalism.

I am probably excessively pessimistic about this but because of realignment and NIL my feeling is many universities will gradually start realizing they will never keep up and don't really need football or sports.  They'll drop football and then other sports will become club teams thus relieving the university of the financial/legal responsibility of sports.

I've said this elsewhere but this could have been avoided if at the very beginning they (NCAA) stipulated that all money generated would be spread equally between all NCAA members... of course, that seems like  socialism and folks would have not been too excited about it... but it sure would have created a more even/fair structure.  Unfortunately, nobody asked me at the time... lol.

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On 7/8/2022 at 9:17 AM, Someone Else said:

I am probably excessively pessimistic about this but because of realignment and NIL my feeling is many universities will gradually start realizing they will never keep up and don't really need football or sports.  They'll drop football and then other sports will become club teams thus relieving the university of the financial/legal responsibility of sports.

I've said this elsewhere but this could have been avoided if at the very beginning they (NCAA) stipulated that all money generated would be spread equally between all NCAA members... of course, that seems like  socialism and folks would have not been too excited about it... but it sure would have created a more even/fair structure.  Unfortunately, nobody asked me at the time... lol.

The NCAA used to be more restrictive with TV games and was sued by OU and GA.  That opened all of this up to where it is today.

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On 7/8/2022 at 8:17 AM, Someone Else said:

I am probably excessively pessimistic about this but because of realignment and NIL my feeling is many universities will gradually start realizing they will never keep up and don't really need football or sports.  They'll drop football and then other sports will become club teams thus relieving the university of the financial/legal responsibility of sports.

I've said this elsewhere but this could have been avoided if at the very beginning they (NCAA) stipulated that all money generated would be spread equally between all NCAA members... of course, that seems like  socialism and folks would have not been too excited about it... but it sure would have created a more even/fair structure.  Unfortunately, nobody asked me at the time... lol.

Those Universities will be far better off financially and in terms of equity/opportunity for all Student Athletes. The cost of Tuition may even go down or remain steady since their fees won't have to support the Football Program.

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On 7/6/2022 at 8:19 AM, RSF said:

Big 12 wont have 14 members by the time any further moves are made.

Correct, it won't. However, would the nB12 actually want to risk going to an arguably bloated 18 members by taking not just the Zona schools now but also Utah and CU?

Think about it. Clearly the nB12 would much rather add Oregon and Washington than UU and CU. What if enticing the former two schools in several years would require giving them a disproportionate amount of nB12 revenue a la Boise State and the MW? If UU and CU were not already on board that would not only be more feasible because the nB12 would only increase to 16 members, the nB12 wouldn't have to be concerned about CU and UU going ballistic because they weren't given such consideration.

And think about this. If the nB12 doesn't add UU and CU immediately, what other conference would be in a position to take them later in this decade? IOW, the two should still be poachable by the nB12.

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On 7/8/2022 at 9:21 AM, Wyobraska said:

The NCAA used to be more restrictive with TV games and was sued by OU and GA.  That opened all of this up to where it is today.

True after that lawsuit in the early 80's things weren't going to be the same, but also don't think anyone could have visualized how out of control things have gotten.

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On 7/9/2022 at 1:35 PM, 415hawaiiboy said:

With the USFL and XFL (and Arena, etc), why would we need another minor league Football system?  Let college football be college football. 

Those will have to show they can remain solvent for more than a year or two before you can begin to equate this way. College football has been the minors forever.  

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On 7/12/2022 at 9:39 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Those will have to show they can remain solvent for more than a year or two before you can begin to equate this way. College football has been the minors forever.  

This time around XFL does have an agreement with NFL in certain areas.

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On 7/8/2022 at 4:44 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Correct, it won't. However, would the nB12 actually want to risk going to an arguably bloated 18 members by taking not just the Zona schools now but also Utah and CU?

Think about it. Clearly the nB12 would much rather add Oregon and Washington than UU and CU. What if enticing the former two schools in several years would require giving them a disproportionate amount of nB12 revenue a la Boise State and the MW? If UU and CU were not already on board that would not only be more feasible because the nB12 would only increase to 16 members, the nB12 wouldn't have to be concerned about CU and UU going ballistic because they weren't given such consideration.

And think about this. If the nB12 doesn't add UU and CU immediately, what other conference would be in a position to take them later in this decade? IOW, the two should still be poachable by the nB12.

By adding Utah and Colorado along with the Arizonas it would pretty much force Oregon and Washington's hand to join the BIG12 as the PAC would not be able to recover. 18 teams also gives the BIG12 survivability from future expansion shenanigans so being at 18 teams could be a good thing.

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On 7/6/2022 at 12:09 PM, Spaztecs said:

New12 wants to merge. YBU and UCF are deal killers.

The only team that they actually have an argument against is UCF and that is because of geography. The BYU hate is frankly stupid, especially when you're in survival mode.

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On 7/14/2022 at 1:14 AM, utgrizfan said:

By adding Utah and Colorado along with the Arizonas it would pretty much force Oregon and Washington's hand to join the BIG12 as the PAC would not be able to recover. 18 teams also gives the BIG12 survivability from future expansion shenanigans so being at 18 teams could be a good thing.

Could be but do the corner four now think the Pac's revenue will be worth staying in?

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On 7/15/2022 at 12:24 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

The math says no.  

Shouldn't we wait to find out what ESPN says? I think the answer is probably no as well but I also know Oregon and Washington are the most valuable brands in the PAC 12 and Big 12.

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