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31 minutes ago, Someone Else said:

It's simple math... Here are your voting blocks:

(I'm not saying this set up is bad or good... it just is the current set up.)

A block- Wyo, CSU, NM, USU, AF, Reno

B block - (sea level schools) - SJS, SDSU, FSU, UNLV

BSU can go in either block depending on best outcome for them.  However, even if they vote with B they still lose to A which is 6 strong. 

Adding TX teams would likely strengthen B 

 

Reno has historically been aligned with the West Coast coast teams.  I think that is an assumption. 

Again, any proof of this voting block and power that is keeping the West Coasters down?

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Someone Else said:

If adding schools doesn't reduce existing share then ok.  I just don't understand why now all of a sudden it's some big move that has to be made?  Those TX schools were always there.  They aren't new.  And if this 'eastern exposure' is so important than naturally the TX schools would rather be in the aac than the MW.

Again, I'm not a CBS executive so maybe they think adding mediocre TX schools to an already mediocre (revenue wise) conference increases ad buys for them... seems odd but who knows.

who know ? Could be that some schools have wanted a foot print in Texas for sometime but knew there wasn't much interest at the time but now that expansion is potentially going to affect our conference they see it as the time to gain a consensous on exploring the potential.

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5 minutes ago, bigd said:

Honestly, all the pieces are together now to form a nice Northeastern/Mid-Atlantic based football-only league:

Army

Buffalo

UConn 

Liberty

UMass

Navy

Temple

-Army and Navy would like that they could get bowl eligible most years. Buffalo and Temple could join the A10 for all other sports, both be nice basketball additions

-All other programs have homes for their other sports

 

After a quick google, it appears the NCAA rules don't allow football only FBS conferences so nevermind. 

Hard to build a new league but this should definitely happen. Add James Madison, Marshall and Old Dominion to the league as well. 

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2 hours ago, Someone Else said:

 

I'm not sure that the Colorado St. AD  speaks for the conference...maybe he does but I doubt it since he wanted to go to the aac and it didn't happen (right?)... but for a moment, lets say he does .... here were my questions.  how does he answer them?

1) Why on earth would anyone in the MW want to add teams given it simply reduces each school's share of desperately needed money?

2) Why does the B12 & aac losing schools create some NEW reason, one that didn't exist prior to those moves, for the MW to add any teams since the MW didn't lose any teams?

3) If the reason to add teams comes from BSU & SDSU... and it's because they want to lessen the control the front range schools have on the conference... why would the front range schools want that?

I'll take your answer off the air.  Thanks!

(btw, I don't know who or what CT is so I can't speak to that.... EDIT... CT must be Hair... got it... what exactly did Hair say???)

The only rational reason to add now is as a hedge for teams leaving.

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1 hour ago, 818SUDSFan said:

UNR should be in your B Block. As such, Boise is the conference's version of Joe Manchin.

On your final point, I would think that if the MW added UTEP, the Minors (correct spelling) would be in the A Block. Same result if the MW added Tulsa. UNT, Tex. State and/or UTSA, who knows.

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58 minutes ago, Reverend said:

Hard to build a new league but this should definitely happen. Add James Madison, Marshall and Old Dominion to the league as well. 

Yeah, obviously UConn wouldn't want to leave the Big East, but that would actually be a nice conference for all sports. Would be a 2-bid basketball league most years with lots of good regional rivalries.

Too bad no one will listen to C-USA's regionalization idea. The AAC could be the northeast, Sun Belt the southeast, and C-USA the southwest (along with the already regional MAC for the Midwest and MWC for the West). At this point I don't think there is enough of a difference between the AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt to warrant all the crazy travel. Bring back regional games against peer schools.

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1 minute ago, bigd said:

Yeah, obviously UConn wouldn't want to leave the Big East, but that would actually be a nice conference for all sports. Would be a 2-bid basketball league most years with lots of good regional rivalries.

Too bad no one will listen to C-USA's regionalization idea. The AAC could be the northeast, Sun Belt the southeast, and C-USA the southwest. At this point I don't think there is enough of a difference between the AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt to warrant all the crazy travel. Bring back regional games against peer schools.

I think it is a good idea as well.  It is crazy though when you get to some of the schools.  I think I read that UL-L would never agree to be in a conference with whatever Louisiana school is in CUSA or the Sun Belt.  I can't remember who is in which conference down there.  

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1 hour ago, Wyobraska said:

Reno has historically been aligned with the West Coast coast teams.  I think that is an assumption. 

Again, any proof of this voting block and power that is keeping the West Coasters down?

 

 

I didn't say anyone was holding anyone down.  Everyone makes their decisions in their best interests.  It is what it is. 

If everyone who has responded to this is correct, that Reno aligns itself with sea level teams. then it's certainly less of an issue. 

you will note, my categories (blocks) are based on elevation of the school.  my personal opinion is that this dictates a great deal of decisions made but that is simply an opinion... I am not in the meetings and do not know.

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3 minutes ago, Someone Else said:

I didn't say anyone was holding anyone down.  Everyone makes their decisions in their best interests.  It is what it is. 

If everyone who has responded to this is correct, that Reno aligns itself with sea level teams. then it's certainly less of an issue. 

you will note, my categories (blocks) are based on elevation of the school.  my personal opinion is that this dictates a great deal of decisions made but that is simply an opinion... I am not in the meetings and do not know.

I'm curious, why would you think elevation would dictate decision making?

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2 hours ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Serious in asking this. Of the FBS schools mentioned in this thread, which would be worse?

Rice: Equally useless but no worse than UTEP.

Tulsa: The sole benefit I can see is that school cares a lot about football and is usually pretty good at it while also being adequate at basketball. In other words, Tusla is NMSU with much better football.

UNT, UTSA and Texas State: Adding any one of them would likely help with football recruiting. (Adding more than one would be stoopid so my guess is that's exactly what the MW "leaders" will do.)

Tulane: I shake my head every time someone suggests adding that school. Too far east and academics should only matter to power conferences.

 

SMU and Houston: Just stop. They are absolutely not going to come to the MWC.

The only way I see SMU moving to the MW is if we get a big raise and the AAC gets a big pay cut.  Even then, they won't come alone. 

I pretty much agree with your assessment of our potential candidates.  The only thing I question is how adding a team in TX that very few people in TX care about, is going to help our recruiting in TX?

I don't get the Tulane talk either.   Great school, but way too far away.

 

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36 minutes ago, Pelado said:

The decisions some people make indicate that they must have been very high at the time.

He means long pants or short pants.  Sandals or shoes.   Eat indoors or patio.  Hot shower or warm shower.   So I'd say 30 Mg THC in the system at least. 

Note:  Not that there's anything 'wrong' with that.

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1 hour ago, bigd said:

Yeah, obviously UConn wouldn't want to leave the Big East, but that would actually be a nice conference for all sports. Would be a 2-bid basketball league most years with lots of good regional rivalries.

Too bad no one will listen to C-USA's regionalization idea. The AAC could be the northeast, Sun Belt the southeast, and C-USA the southwest (along with the already regional MAC for the Midwest and MWC for the West). At this point I don't think there is enough of a difference between the AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt to warrant all the crazy travel. Bring back regional games against peer schools.

I get this is how you see it, but most of the aac schools consider themselves on another tier than most of the schools in the other conferences; budget, payroll, etc reflect that as well.  I know they’re losing some programs but the leftovers have accumulated value that sets them apart still, albeit closer than it was previously.   There are certainly some schools at the top of the sunbelt/cusa that could adapt but most cannot.

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I just don't see any school giving us value of anything right now, and having the schools take less money for now would be counter productive for making a move. I have seen and heard that UTSA is in the middle of a budget crunch, but their basketball arena needs a upgrade so doesn't look like a WCC school, they need a football stadium, and don't really know the rest of their facilities. I guess with North Texas would could take a chance on them as they have shown on the football field and basketball field, they can win.

But none of those schools would move the needle. There was a fight when doing the divisions before I would image there could be a bigger one adding those schools. Having SDSU, Fresno St, Boise St all in the same division so you possibly could have your best schools in one division beating up on each other while a eastern division could be really bad. 

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5 hours ago, wolf from 73 said:

In the UTSA to the MW tweet one poster mentioned that UTSA just announced major facilities upgrade. My guess that they are going somewhere,

 

Yea but SJSU also announced facilities upgrades when coming into MW and we saw where that went

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45 minutes ago, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

I get this is how you see it, but most of the aac schools consider themselves on another tier than most of the schools in the other conferences; budget, payroll, etc reflect that as well.  

Most people arent blessed with great self awareness.  This attitude is a case in point.

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7 minutes ago, wolfpack1 said:

Yea but SJSU also announced facilities upgrades when coming into MW and we saw where that went

Did Bleymeir ever produce water color renderings back then?  False prophet.    He can do turf color and not much more but he remains a legend here.

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1 minute ago, roughrider said:

Did Bleymeir ever produce water color renderings back then?  False prophet.    He can do turf color and not much more but he remains a legend here.

Water color renderings are so last century, now we are into 3-D graphics

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