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8 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Not trying to be argumentative by asking but why would the TCU, Baylor, TT and perhaps others block Houston from joining the B12?

Part political (as we have seen, the Texas schools dont get along, and the non-Texas schools arent necessarily enamoured with all the clout the Texas schools have) and part practical (why give them the financial and recruiting boost).  Desperation may trump all that, though.

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TCU pulled in $114m?  Amazing, but how?  It's definitely not share of NCAA tourney hoops.  Football television, ya.  Oh wait, they loan out the stadium for a bowl game.  I've done 3 of those at TCU when UH was there.  It was great fun.  Hmmm...there is only one bowl game in Houston and that's at the NFL stadium. 

Time to rally up the UH peeps to introduce the Third Ward Bowl on the UH campus.  :ph34r:

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6 minutes ago, Borncoog74 said:

Because we had better success in their conference than they did while we were there.  
 

Bwahaha...

 

After Yeoman, Cougar High just as mediocre to bad as the rest.  If UH had anything in their bag at the time, they might have been in the Big 12 from the get go.

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4 minutes ago, RSF said:

Part political (as we have seen, the Texas schools dont get along, and the non-Texas schools arent necessarily enamoured with all the clout the Texas schools have) and part practical (why give them the financial and recruiting boost).  Desperation may trump all that, though.

But in the final analysis, isn't it all about money? And isn't that much more dependent on conferences' broadcast revenue than anything? And for football playing schools, isn't that about 75% contingent on the quality of that sport, about 24% contingent on the quality of men's hoops and about 1% contingent on all the other sports combined?

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1 minute ago, Coog kev said:

TCU pulled in $114m?  Amazing, but how?  It's definitely not share of NCAA tourney hoops.  Football television, ya.  Oh wait, they loan out the stadium for a bowl game.  I've done 3 of those at TCU when UH was there.  It was great fun.  Hmmm...there is only one bowl game in Houston and that's at the NFL stadium. 

Time to rally up the UH peeps to introduce the Third Ward Bowl on the UH campus.  :ph34r:

Rich +++++ing alums.  Who paid for what is now a (after upgrades) 300 million dollar football stadium and 100 million dollar basketball arena.  No debt.  And they keep giving.

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14 minutes ago, e-zone99 said:

I think with the right adds (BYU, Boise St, Houston, and Cincinnati) the Big 12 could get in the $20+ million range.

Looking at last years reported Athletic Revenue would be to far behind remain 8 Big 12 schools:

Departing Schools

Texas' reported Athletic Revenue- $191,737,849

Oklahoma's reported Athletic Revenue- $159,116,738

Remaining Schools

TCU's reported Athletic Revenue- $114,393,484

Kansas' reported Athletic Revenue- $108,187,369

Baylor's reported Athletic Revenue- $106,954,237

West Virginia's reported Athletic Revenue- $92,884,748

Oklahoma St's reported Athletic Revenue- $89,925,224

Kansas St's reported Athletic Revenue- $86,441,107

Texas Tech's reported Athletic Revenue- $81,233,518

Iowa St's reported Athletic Revenue- $76,724,435

The 4 Schools listed

BYU's reported Athletic Revenue- $75,233,084

Houston's reported Athletic Revenue- $67,382,982 (to gain more separation from Big 12 and AAC)

Cincinnati's reported Athletic Revenue- $52,971327 (to gain more separation from Big 12 and AAC)

Boise St's reported Athletic Revenue- $42,670,364 (to gain more separation from Big 12 and MWC)

If you add another $10 million on Houston's, Cincinnati's and Boise St's revenue just from a larger TV payout, plus more revenue from home attendance at games they would be pretty close to the Big 12 schools,  Because sadly the remaining Big 12 schools will likely take a hit (around $19 million less).  Which could be good thing with all member on a more level playing field, vs Texas who had more double the amount of revenue of half the schools in the conference (West Virginia, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, Iowa St).

 

 

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those numbers include academic side subsidies

the members of the Big 12 have made a lot of effort in recent years to get to a place where academic subsidies were zero including mandated student ticket purchases

3 schools are there and a number of others are close

they will absolutely evaluate programs for admission of they are adding them based on revenues minus academic side subsides

even if you knock $40 million off the Big 12 members to take out a full share of Big 12 distributions most of the schools that want to pretend their budgets are "right there" or "right there if they had Big 12 money" are actually not even close

no conference is looking to add the program most willing to spend academic money on athletics they want the ones that actually have fan and alumni and donor support

 

I should point out for some of the PAC 12 schools you have to pay attention to the numbers.....Cal shows a "zero" subsidy, but they ran a massive deficit that year and same with WSU......WSU had academic side subsidies, but for a number of year they have still had an annual deficit even with those academic subsidies in their budget

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But in the final analysis, isn't it all about money? And isn't that much more dependent on conferences' broadcast revenue than anything? And for football playing schools, isn't that about 75% contingent on the quality of that sport, about 24% contingent on the quality of men's hoops and about 1% contingent on all the other sports together?

The desperation part.  But never underestimate the emnity among the Texas schools.  Its what REALLY killed the SWC and it still exists.

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1 minute ago, RSF said:

Bwahaha...

 

After Yeoman, Cougar High just as mediocre to bad as the rest.  If UH had anything in their bag at the time, they might have been in the Big 12 from the get go.

We won more SWC football titles than anyone else not named UT while there.  
 

We beat UT more times than them while we were there.

We went to 3 Final Fours while we were there. 
 

We kicked their asses in Track, Baseball, and Golf.  
 

Im not sure what you are laughing at. 
 

Go look up how many outright (not shared) SWC football titles Texas Tech has had in their entire SWC and BIG XII memberships. 
 

UH had more in the fraction of time they were in the same conference as UT than TT has had in their history.  
 

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3 minutes ago, RSF said:

Part political (as we have seen, the Texas schools dont get along, and the non-Texas schools arent necessarily enamoured with all the clout the Texas schools have) and part practical (why give them the financial and recruiting boost).  Desperation may trump all that, though.

What are you talking about re that?  We love beating the crap outta Rice in every opportunity they so schedule.  Lols.  We are locked in 4-year OOC football with Texas Tech.  We dig that.  We do get along.  Except for anything to do with SMU.  I simply do not like them.  We have an annual baseball series with SHSU.  We do baseball and softball with Texas annually now.  We do things with Baylor and Aggy and UTSA and Texas State and others.  Baylor and Texas are frequently with Rice for all sorts of things.  Including eee gad, a Baylor football visit to Rice Stadium. 

Perhaps it's just TCU myopia.  It does not apply to the Rest of Us. 

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Yes, because track and golf drive things.

 

And all those conference titles were under Yeoman.  Then years of 'meh'.

 

And Guy Lewis was a LONG time ago, too.

 

 

 

We had 2 national titles...back before TV.  They dont mean shit, either.

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8 minutes ago, Coog kev said:

What are you talking about re that?  We love beating the crap outta Rice in every opportunity they so schedule.  Lols.  We are locked in 4-year OOC football with Texas Tech.  We dig that.  We do get along.  Except for anything to do with SMU.  I simply do not like them.  We have an annual baseball series with SHSU.  We do baseball and softball with Texas annually now.  We do things with Baylor and Aggy and UTSA and Texas State and others.  Baylor and Texas are frequently with Rice for all sorts of things.  Including eee gad, a Baylor football visit to Rice Stadium. 

Perhaps it's just TCU myopia.  It does not apply to the Rest of Us. 

You're a funny guy.  Clueless, but funny.

 

 

Suggest you watch Pony Excess.  It aint just about SMU.

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those numbers include academic side subsidies

the members of the Big 12 have made a lot of effort in recent years to get to a place where academic subsidies were zero including mandated student ticket purchases

3 schools are there and a number of others are close

they will absolutely evaluate programs for admission of they are adding them based on revenues minus academic side subsides

even if you knock $40 million off the Big 12 members to take out a full share of Big 12 distributions most of the schools that want to pretend their budgets are "right there" or "right there if they had Big 12 money" are actually not even close

no conference is looking to add the program most willing to spend academic money on athletics they want the ones that actually have fan and alumni and donor support

 

I should point out for some of the PAC 12 schools you have to pay attention to the numbers.....Cal shows a "zero" subsidy, but they ran a massive deficit that year and same with WSU......WSU had academic side subsidies, but for a number of year they have still had an annual deficit even with those academic subsidies in their budget

I always go with what has been reported to the government for title IX;  Equity in Athletics

 

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1 minute ago, RebelRobert said:

Why are TCU & Houston fans arguing about who is more incompetent and pathetic in our EXPANSION THREAD?

Damn...another exploding irony meter...

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1 minute ago, RSF said:

Yes, because track and golf drive things.

 

And all those conference titles were under Yeoman.  Then years of 'meh'.

 

And Guy Lewis was a LONG time ago, too.

I’m really not sure why you are having to throw a bunch of “yeah but’s” to the facts.  
 

Im not trying to argue with you. 
 

Everything that I stated was a fact. 
 

Our 4 SWC Football Championships

And 3 Final Fours 

While in the SWC shouldn’t count?

Our record against UT vs everyone else’s shouldn’t count?

I just threw the other sports on their as bonus   
 

I’m not quite sure why you are trying to down play our accomplishments while in the SWC 

 

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6 minutes ago, e-zone99 said:

I always go with what has been reported to the government for title IX;  Equity in Athletics

 

those numbers do not break out the academic side subsidies though so they are meaningless to gauge real fan and alumni and sponsor support

the numbers I showed above are from the USA today website that does this annually (even though they are always behind)

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

a program talking about how strong their budget is while ignoring a $48 million dollar academic side subsidy that is the largest in all of D1-A and D1-AA is pretty meaningless and that is not going to be overlooked

now more than ever for a number of reasons no conference is looking for members that will just pile on the academic side subsidies and annual deficits that never seem to get paid back.....most members of most conferences are not trying to compete to see who can spend the most student money on athletics

 

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The North Texas Mean Green Village (located between 2 Texas interstates & which a recent TxDOT study said 200,000 vehicles drive by it daily) is a multi-acre olympic style village of athletc venues*dorms*computer study centers, etc, topped off with what GIL BRANDT: The Father of Modern NFL Scouting who described UNT's Apogee Stadium as a "Tah Mahal of a College Football Stadium" with Brandt adding... 'and I've seen every NCAA D1 FB stadium in the USA." All this along with UNT's fabulous 10,000 seat Super Pit--the Best & Largest on-campus college basketball venue in the D-FW Metroplex......AND THREE PONDS AND A BRIDGE!!!!!

 

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21 minutes ago, RSF said:

Part political (as we have seen, the Texas schools dont get along, and the non-Texas schools arent necessarily enamoured with all the clout the Texas schools have) and part practical (why give them the financial and recruiting boost).  Desperation may trump all that, though.

That is a very good point, 4 out 10 or 12 schools could really veto a lot of different conference thins that come up for a vote.

 

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9 minutes ago, Borncoog74 said:

I’m really not sure why you are having to throw a bunch of “yeah but’s” to the facts.  
 

Im not trying to argue with you. 
 

Everything that I stated was a fact. 
 

Our 4 SWC Football Championships

And 3 Final Fours 

While in the SWC shouldn’t count?

Our record against UT vs everyone else’s shouldn’t count?

I just threw the other sports on their as bonus   
 

I’m not quite sure why you are trying to down play our accomplishments while in the SWC 

 

I'm guessing you are looking for an explanation more straightforward than 'the SWC died almost 30 years ago and they dont mean shit'?

 

We have beaten UT 7 of the last 9.

 

Guess what?  Dont mean shit.

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