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26 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

Break it down for me.  Without referencing current TV money.

Why is Texas Tech a more valuable TV property than Boise State

Why is Kansas State, ISU or OK St a more valuable TV property than SDSU

We'll start with those then we'll move on to RSF's dumpster fire.

       Year    Ticket Sales    Contributions  Attendance
Kansas 2019    $19,391,708    $39,878,924    33,875

WVU    2019    $19,226,587    $19,017,866     55,907

ISU    2019     $16,474,938    $18,206,649    59,794

OkState 2019    $13,911,211    $24,736,163     54,817

KSU    2019    $15,903,614    $20,560,128     48,818

TTU    2019    $14,269,267    $24,187,872     53,418

CSU    2019    $5,784,735    $9,482,232      23,338

AF     2019    $3,579,247    $4,294,586      27,084

SDSU   2019    $6,596,027    $6,673,651    29,896

UNLV   2019    $4,726,304    $7,320,082      19,864

Boise  2019    $7,016,928    $12,662,391    32,070

Fresno 2019    $6,429,309    $9,768,812      31,552

WY     2019    $3,971,849    $10,844,094     23,007

Nevada 2019    $9,683,290    $6,914,931      16,180

USU    2019    $2,023,744    $6,469,402      19,609

NMU    2019    $5,042,302    $4,385,068      15,747

SJSU   2019    $623,166    $1,831,978      15,396

UH     2019    $4,882,307    $9,602,299      25,518

UCF    2019    $5,984,236    $10,868,415     43,788

Cincy  2019    $7,736,020    $6,912,701      35,985

ECU    2019    $6,190,857    $7,940,669      33,134

Memphis 2019    $10,755,844    $13,063,202     38,816

USF    2019    $4,600,251    $5,153,552      31,823

 

 

I suppose you are going to try and make the argument that fan support, donor support, and attendance is really not reflective on any value of a program and that really media companies want to spend money on programs that no one shows up live to see, no one buys tickets to see and no one gives donations to support

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7 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

How many TCU fans are there in Los Angeles?

New York?

Chicago?

Tuscaloosa?

how many SDSU fans are there in San Diego?......much less in any of the places you are asking about

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14 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

You haven't even tried because you can't.

Clearly

Assuming all Texas residents are crazy rabid college football fans, how many are TCU fans?

Enough to impress the Fiesta, Peach and Rose Bowl with our attendance.  Enough to get invites to 2 different Power conferences...with the blessing of ESPN and Fox.  Enough to pay for a new stadium and basketball arena without public funding or student fees.  Enough to leave San Diego State in the dust.

 

 

You?

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17 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

How many TCU fans are there in Los Angeles?

New York?

Chicago?

Tuscaloosa?

Im from Chicago.  One of the largest sources of students at TCU.  With California the largest outside of Texas.  Our Cali base doubled after the Rose Bowl.

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19 minutes ago, Someone said:

       Year    Ticket Sales    Contributions  Attendance
Kansas 2019    $19,391,708    $39,878,924    33,875

WVU    2019    $19,226,587    $19,017,866     55,907

ISU    2019     $16,474,938    $18,206,649    59,794

OkState 2019    $13,911,211    $24,736,163     54,817

KSU    2019    $15,903,614    $20,560,128     48,818

TTU    2019    $14,269,267    $24,187,872     53,418

CSU    2019    $5,784,735    $9,482,232      23,338

AF     2019    $3,579,247    $4,294,586      27,084

SDSU   2019    $6,596,027    $6,673,651    29,896

UNLV   2019    $4,726,304    $7,320,082      19,864

Boise  2019    $7,016,928    $12,662,391    32,070

Fresno 2019    $6,429,309    $9,768,812      31,552

WY     2019    $3,971,849    $10,844,094     23,007

Nevada 2019    $9,683,290    $6,914,931      16,180

USU    2019    $2,023,744    $6,469,402      19,609

NMU    2019    $5,042,302    $4,385,068      15,747

SJSU   2019    $623,166    $1,831,978      15,396

UH     2019    $4,882,307    $9,602,299      25,518

UCF    2019    $5,984,236    $10,868,415     43,788

Cincy  2019    $7,736,020    $6,912,701      35,985

ECU    2019    $6,190,857    $7,940,669      33,134

Memphis 2019    $10,755,844    $13,063,202     38,816

USF    2019    $4,600,251    $5,153,552      31,823

 

 

I suppose you are going to try and make the argument that fan support, donor support, and attendance is really not reflective on any value of a program and that really media companies want to spend money on programs that no one shows up live to see, no one buys tickets to see and no one gives donations to support

Just to add to this...TCUs attendance was about 44k.  That would make ticket sales about 16 mil.  Dont know what contributions are but our annual revenue is over 100m, which makes those contributions fairly significant.

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6 minutes ago, RSF said:

Just to add to this...TCUs attendance was about 44k.  That would make ticket sales about 26 mil.  Dont know what contributions are but our annual revenue is over 100m, which makes those contributions fairly significant.

TCU was not on the USA Today financials page that is the only reason they were left off along with Baylor and any other private school

as to the excuses that some can make

I suppose there is the always popular "let us in the conference and we will show you how much we can get in donations and ticket sales" which of course any conference should meet with "show us now then call us back we will not be waiting by the phone though so if we do not pick up leave a voice mail"

or my favorite that is always on the UH fan forum....."If we were playing Texas and OU our attendance would be huge too".......which if course is always met with "yea for one game a year every other year" or better yet "if your fans only show up to see other teams....well are they your fans of fans of the other team?"

the above excuses always go with the popular G5 refrain of "this coach sucks I am going to stop buying tickets or donating" while ignoring that other programs have donors that give money to get bad coaches FIRED!.....now sure that does not always work, but the answer is money talks and usually gets some results.....no money pretty much always gets the same results

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At the end of our MWC run we were averaging 40k.  And that was with 0 visitor support...even SMU only sends token support across to FW.  Meanwhile, our games at SMU are virtual home games.

 

We have been doing what needs to be done for 20 years.  If we are left without a chair, I get it.  We are a small school.  And the remaining 8, if we stay together, wont be a 'Power' conference anymore.  But we will be right below them.

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Just now, RSF said:

At the end of our MWC run we were averaging 40k.  And that was with 0 visitor support...even SMU only sent token support across to FW.  Meanwhile, our games at SMU are virtual home games.

yea UH fans always used to always say "we did the same as TCU did" then you show them where TCU was ranked more times just prior to getting in the Big 12 than UH was in about the past 30 years

or "well we built a new stajium"......yea 2 years AFTER the Big 12 expanded and mostly on the backs of students

TCU had expanded their stajium once in the MWC and had the plans and CASH in hand to do the major rebuild as they moved to the Big East.....that is how a program PROVES IT instead of the ridiculous "let us in and we will show you" nonsense

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15 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

Without going into the financial delusions, most football fans no nothing of finances, they're not far from wrong that a number of R8 schools could end up in the AAC in the long run.  Some could end up in the MWC.  There aren't that many seats at the table and most....MOST of the R8 are G5 caliber schools.  They're from small markets, without a national following. They have regional appeal and many don't even dominate their region. Hello ISU.  Hello OK st. Hello Kst AND KU.  Some aren't even worth considering as candidates for P5 slots.  Hello TT!  Is WVU attractive to the ACC?  They could have added them a few years ago and chose not to.

As much as the R8 fan base doesn't want to hear it, they should prepare for the inevitability that most of the will end up in the MWC  or the AAC.

And no, they aren't greater than the sum of their parts.  Staying together just means they'll create the G6.

 

 

You are joking right?  The Big12 will still be a Hell of a basketball conference (they average distributing at least $2.5 million a year in NCAA credits), but if we just look at football and AP end of season rankings since 2012 (when West Virginia and TCU were added).

2020: #6 Oklahoma, #9 Iowa St, #10 Texas, #20 Oklahoma St

2019: #6 Oklahoma, #12 Baylor

2018: #4 Oklahoma, #9 Texas, #20 West Virginia

2017: #3 Oklahoma, #9 TCU, #14 Oklahoma St

2016: #5 Oklahoma, #11 Oklahoma St, #18 West Virginia

2015: #5 Oklahoma, #7 TCU#13 Baylor, #20 Oklahoma St

2014: #5 Baylor, #6 TCU, #11 Kansas St

2013: #6 Oklahoma, #13 Baylor, #17 Oklahoma St

2012: #12 Kansas St, #15 Oklahoma

So, 6 (except Texas Tech and Kansas) of the 8 remaining teams have finished ranked in the top 25 in the last 9 years.  With 3 teams finishing the top 10 (TCU 3 times) and  5 of the 6 finishing in the top 15 (Baylor 4 times & Kansas St 2 times).  I'm not sure many of us would have expected that that many of the teams would have finished ranked over the last 9 years: Oklahoma St- 5 times, Baylor- 4 times, TCU- 3 times, Kansas St- 2 times, West Virginia- 2 times, and Iowa St- 1 time (Oklahoma- 8 times & Texas- 2 times).

 

 

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14 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

Break it down for me.  Without referencing current TV money.

Why is Texas Tech a more valuable TV property than Boise State

Why is Kansas State, ISU or OK St a more valuable TV property than SDSU

We'll start with those then we'll move on to RSF's dumpster fire.

2019 NCAA Football Attendance:

#3 Big 12- 57,574

#6 AAC- 29,496 (Hell, Kansas averaged 33,875)

#7 MWC- 23,232

 

Top 30 in attendance (for Big12, AAC, and MWC teams):

#7 Texas- 96,306

#13 Oklahoma- 83,256

#21 Iowa St- 59,547 (FWIW, BYU #22- 59,547)

#27 West Virginia- 55,907

#28 Oklahoma St- 54,817

AAC- none

MWC- none

 

2020 NCAA Basketball Attendance:

#4 Big 12- 10,521

#7 AAC- 7,065

#8 MWC- 6,425

 

Top 30 in attendance (for Big12, AAC, and MWC teams):

#8 Kansas- 16,388

#9 Memphis- 16,312 (AAC)

#20 Texas Tech- 14,057

#21 Iowa St- 13,954 (FWIW, BYU #25- 12,626)

#28 West Virginia- 12,229

#30 San Diego St- 11,668 (MWC)

 

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15 hours ago, RSF said:

Enough to impress the Fiesta, Peach and Rose Bowl with our attendance.  Enough to get invites to 2 different Power conferences...with the blessing of ESPN and Fox.  Enough to pay for a new stadium and basketball arena without public funding or student fees.  Enough to leave San Diego State in the dust.

 

 

You?

 

The Fiesta Bowl?  The bowl Boise State fans out numbered you almost 2-1?

 

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16 hours ago, Someone said:

       Year    Ticket Sales    Contributions  Attendance
Kansas 2019    $19,391,708    $39,878,924    33,875

WVU    2019    $19,226,587    $19,017,866     55,907

ISU    2019     $16,474,938    $18,206,649    59,794

OkState 2019    $13,911,211    $24,736,163     54,817

KSU    2019    $15,903,614    $20,560,128     48,818

TTU    2019    $14,269,267    $24,187,872     53,418

CSU    2019    $5,784,735    $9,482,232      23,338

AF     2019    $3,579,247    $4,294,586      27,084

SDSU   2019    $6,596,027    $6,673,651    29,896

UNLV   2019    $4,726,304    $7,320,082      19,864

Boise  2019    $7,016,928    $12,662,391    32,070

Fresno 2019    $6,429,309    $9,768,812      31,552

WY     2019    $3,971,849    $10,844,094     23,007

Nevada 2019    $9,683,290    $6,914,931      16,180

USU    2019    $2,023,744    $6,469,402      19,609

NMU    2019    $5,042,302    $4,385,068      15,747

SJSU   2019    $623,166    $1,831,978      15,396

UH     2019    $4,882,307    $9,602,299      25,518

UCF    2019    $5,984,236    $10,868,415     43,788

Cincy  2019    $7,736,020    $6,912,701      35,985

ECU    2019    $6,190,857    $7,940,669      33,134

Memphis 2019    $10,755,844    $13,063,202     38,816

USF    2019    $4,600,251    $5,153,552      31,823

 

 

I suppose you are going to try and make the argument that fan support, donor support, and attendance is really not reflective on any value of a program and that really media companies want to spend money on programs that no one shows up live to see, no one buys tickets to see and no one gives donations to support

I'm actually surprised how well our numbers compare to say ISU or WVU for instance.

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While attendance is a good measuring stick of fan support, if a few programs in the MWC and AAC had years of Big 12 money to expand their stadiums and sell season ticket packages with homes games against Oklahoma and Texas I am sure there attendance would be higher.  It's not apples to apples.

 

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2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

While attendance is a good measuring stick of fan support, if a few programs in the MWC and AAC had years of Big 12 money to expand their stadiums and sell season ticket packages with homes games against Oklahoma and Texas I am sure there attendance would be higher.  It's not apples to apples.

 

one game a year is not going to make a massive difference on ticket sales and in a 12 team (or more) conference you would not even be getting a home game every year with either Texas or OU

plus you have to ask if any of those programs are consistently selling out their stajium now and if not why not......it is a stretch to say that a program would have a large expansion of their stajium based on a single home game at most once a year and probably less often than that

then there are the donor dollars.....the same old "let us in and we will show you".......how about having those donors show a conference NOW so it is actually convincing instead of "hope"

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2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

While attendance is a good measuring stick of fan support, if a few programs in the MWC and AAC had years of Big 12 money to expand their stadiums and sell season ticket packages with homes games against Oklahoma and Texas I am sure there attendance would be higher.  It's not apples to apples.

 

Ground already covered.

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1 minute ago, RSF said:

Ground already covered.

 

Still waiting for your Fiesta Bowl attendance response.  Boise fans eclipsed TCU fans.  The announcers commented on it, journalists mentioned it.  Boise fans gave us a home field advantage compared to the TCU fans.

 

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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

Still waiting for your Fiesta Bowl attendance response.  Boise fans eclipsed TCU fans.  The announcers commented on it, journalists mentioned it.  Boise fans gave us a home field advantage compared to the TCU fans.

 

I mean if we are going off BCS bowl game attendance, Boise cock slaps the ever living shit out of TCU.

 A major story line in the 2010 Fiest Bowl was how many more Boise fans there were than TCU fans.  

 

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4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

Still waiting for your Fiesta Bowl attendance response.  Boise fans eclipsed TCU fans.  The announcers commented on it, journalists mentioned it.  Boise fans gave us a home field advantage compared to the TCU fans.

 

It wasnt 2 to 1.  That you eclipsed us is nice, considering how much bigger of a school it is.  You were 3x bigger than us at the time.   You SHOULD have had more people. But we sold our allotment and then some, which is good enough to impress people.  Wisconsin eclipsed us, too, but we did OK with 35K, considering we only have about 90,000 living alumni.  Which impressed a LOT of people.

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