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If adding teams was needed, you need to add teams that can win games period. Without wins, the state in which they are located or possible recruiting area is irrelevant. Wins matter.

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Just now, Aslowhiteguy said:

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

According to the linked article below, during the playoff era, Boise doesn't crack the top 10.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-football-rankings-playoff-group-five-teams/

I'd still argue they're a top three or four brand of the G5, even if the results have gradually declined.

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1 minute ago, Jack Bauer said:

I'd still argue they're a top three or four brand of the G5, even if the results have gradually declined.

Yeah, I was a bit surprised they weren't on the list.  But the decline is real and when is the last season when you could say they were the best G5 team? 

They are definitely among the most consistently good, G5 teams, but during any given year since the playoffs began, probably not the best team any of those years. 

It's going to be interesting to see how they do with the coaching change. 

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26 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Yeah, I was a bit surprised they weren't on the list.  But the decline is real and when is the last season when you could say they were the best G5 team? 

They are definitely among the most consistently good, G5 teams, but during any given year since the playoffs began, probably not the best team any of those years. 

It's going to be interesting to see how they do with the coaching change. 

I'd argue in 2019 they were, except for a fluke loss to BYU. They beat BYU and they're in the Access Bowl that year. That loss paved the way for Memphis. They had a nice year that year. They beat Florida State in Florida and beat Marshall OOC and were undefeated in MWC play.

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1 hour ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

According to the linked article below, during the playoff era, Boise doesn't crack the top 10.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-football-rankings-playoff-group-five-teams/

Entire body of work?

Since 2014 (Playoff Era):

Boise is 69-19 (.784)

Cincinatti (listed as #1) is 55-32 (.632)

UCF (listed as #2) is 56-31 (.644)

Not sure how a SJSU team that never scored more than 40 points in a game and got blown out by another G5 in a bowl game and never played a P5 team makes that list, doesn't seem very scientific.

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3 hours ago, jdgaucho said:

As an aside, I bet UH is even happier than Boise fans with the CFP expansion proposal.  If approved, Boise will have every incentive to remain here, and Hawaii needn't worry about possibly visiting potato land in all sports every two years.  

You’re right about that.  There are currently direct flights from Honolulu to 25 U.S. mainland cities but Boise isn’t one of them.  The shortest duration one-way flights from Honolulu to Boise take 8-10 hours depending on the price and stopover location.

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1 minute ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Entire body of work?

Since 2014 (Playoff Era):

Boise is 69-19 (.784)

Cincinatti (listed as #1) is 55-32 (.632)

UCF (listed as #2) is 56-31 (.644)

Not sure how a SJSU team that never scored more than 40 points in a game and got blown out by another G5 in a bowl game and never played a P5 team makes that list, doesn't seem very scientific.

I think they picked the best team(s) of each year and didn't factor in overall history.

If it were based on history, BSU is at or near the top.

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2 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

I think they picked the best team(s) of each year and didn't factor in overall history.

Exactly.  The only other explanation for leaving BSU off the list would be the author mistakenly thinking the Broncos are a P5 team.

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16 hours ago, Ibanez said:

I'd say most Texas schools like playing on the east coast for recruiting and exposure.

I'm not sure about that. There may be more talent east of Texas but there are also more power conference schools to compete against. By my count, 44 such schools east of Texas versus just 12 to the west and the 12 to the west are located in the lowest regarded in football of the power conferences.

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4 hours ago, jdgaucho said:

Peace and harmony in the MWC.

Now about revisiting that $1.8 million annual bonus Boise is guaranteed... :ph34r:

A deal is a deal.  I don’t begrudge BSU insisting that the MWC honor the terms of their agreement.  JMHO.

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22 hours ago, AztecSU said:

I really hope you are right.

 

3 hours ago, AztecSU said:

It's not about right or wrong, I just assume the Autonomy group looks out for themselves...so I won't be shocked if they just go top 12 in the final rankings and drop the top 6 conf champs. We'll see. 

The recommendation to go to 12 isn't something this committee just thought up last week.  They've been examining different numbers and formats for quite some time, gathering input from lots of sources along the way.  I would be very surprised if this proposal is not accepted. 

The big question is how soon it will be implemented.  They've said it can't be done within the next two seasons, so the earliest it could be done is for 2023.  But the playoff contract with ESPN runs beyond that, so any re-negotiations would be exclusively with ESPN, which could limit the amounts they could earn with the new playoff format.  They could put off the change until after the current contract expires, which would allow them to receive bids on the open market.

I don't think they'll wait that long.  I think they'll implement it earlier rather than later - more than likely for 2023.  There's going to be a lot more money in this new format.  They might be able to maximize it with an open bid, but if they don't start it as soon as possible, then those are years of additional revenue they'll never get back.

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46 minutes ago, HawaiiMongoose said:

You’re right about that.  There are currently direct flights from Honolulu to 25 U.S. mainland cities but Boise isn’t one of them.  The shortest duration one-way flights from Honolulu to Boise take 8-10 hours depending on the price and stopover location.

 

Still.  Boise's other sports, especially beach and indoor volleyball, do provide value.

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I don't know if it's been said, but does this cancel the trend of 14+ team superconferences?  What if the power five see a couple splits so that there are more 8 team conferences, maybe a rebirth of the Big East for football?  

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In my view this is good for the P5, AAC, MWC, Notre Dame, and BYU. (More access to the Playoff System). It is bad for CUSA, Sunbelt, and MAC. (The AAC and MWC now have an increased competitive advantage in recruiting). It will be rare if either the AAC or MWC doesn't get one of the playoff spots.

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1 hour ago, bsu_alum9 said:

I don't know if it's been said, but does this cancel the trend of 14+ team superconferences?  What if the power five see a couple splits so that there are more 8 team conferences, maybe a rebirth of the Big East for football?  

I think it does. 

Everyone has fair access

Why would you invite someone else to your league and have to divide the pie more ways?

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9 hours ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

According to the linked article below, during the playoff era, Boise doesn't crack the top 10.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/college-football-rankings-playoff-group-five-teams/

Look at the overall numbers. Those are just specific teams per season. And even that's wrong. The UCF that beat Baylor was the best team.

It's just my opinion, since the start of the BCS era through the playoff era to where we are now, Boise State has done more than anyone with UCF second. But Boise State has never had really bad years like the Knights. That's the difference.

Now, if you wanna say playoff era only then UCF is the best team. But I'm looking at the overall picture. Now if you just wanna look at specific teams then it's just all opinion based. So, picking one team a year to prove my point wrong about BSU's success overall wasn't really fair.

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1 hour ago, bsu_alum9 said:

I don't know if it's been said, but does this cancel the trend of 14+ team superconferences?  What if the power five see a couple splits so that there are more 8 team conferences, maybe a rebirth of the Big East for football?  

When I lived in Tennessee and Texas the sports radio guys always said the  school officials and AD's thought 12 was better than 14. Doubt they have changed their mind. So I have never believed in super conferences. I do think there is a chance part of the PAC-12 and part of the Big 12 could merge and leave some teams behind. But a 16 team conference? Nah. As far as I'm concerned, I'd love Washington State and Oregon State in the MWC.

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2 hours ago, HawaiiMongoose said:

A deal is a deal.  I don’t begrudge BSU insisting that the MWC honor the terms of their agreement.  JMHO.

But you should be pissed about the travel subs. That shit is ridiculous.

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Perfectly fine with 12 but would love 16 more.  I’d also like to see a CFB version of the NIT.  Do a 16 team tournament with the 4 remaining conference champions and the 12 highest ranked at-large teams that didn’t make the playoff

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