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41 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

University presidents make the decisions on conference expansion and they typically see things differently than you and I do. Additionally, PAC-12 presidents have an added level of snobbery (right or wrong) that require any school considered to be added to be a like-minded institution. Most university presidents have spent decades in academia and while they do care about athletics, they also give equal weight to academics, research $$$, etc. (example: UW's athletic budget was $135 millionish in 2020, their research funding received for that same year was $1.3 billion).

If you're just looking at it from pure athletics, and strictly from athletic $$$ I think its a no-brainer for the PAC-12 to add BYU for all sports, Gonzaga for basketball and Boise St for football. But, I don't believe the PAC-12 thinks that way collectively, even at their own detriment.  

CAL, UCLA and UW are 3 of the top public universities in the country and with Stanford and USC that's a great collection of academic institutions. Discussions about PAC-12 expansion need to also consider fit. When you consider all those factors the one school I think that is the most ready to be included in the PAC-12 right now is Colorado St. I think you can make a case for UNLV, Hawaii, UNM and SDSU, but CSU seems to have the most boxes checked as far as best fit.

Speaking from the BYU perspective, I don't think BYU would want to join the PAC12, even if offered (wouldn't happen).   It's a terrible fit...

Can you imagine the Woke PAC12 fanbases protesting every BYU sporting event, on issues like the LDS Church LGBTQ positions, Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc... Better to avoid the problem and just enjoy the decent enough WCC.

For football, when you are an Independent, you avoid that drama, since it is a non-conference game.

 

Not sure about academics, but Houston is a solid candidate if the PAC12 ever adds more schools, which it probably won't.

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19 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Speaking from the BYU perspective, I don't think BYU would want to join the PAC12, even if offered (wouldn't happen).   It's a terrible fit...

Can you imagine the Woke PAC12 fanbases protesting every BYU sporting event, on issues like the LDS Church LGBTQ positions, Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc... Better to avoid the problem and just enjoy the decent enough WCC.

For football, when you are an Independent, you avoid that drama, since it is a non-conference game.

 

Not sure about academics, but Houston is a solid candidate if the PAC12 ever adds more schools, which it probably won't.

What do you think BYU's best options are for gaining access to the expanded playoff structure?

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6 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

What do you think BYU's best options are for gaining access to the expanded playoff structure?

I have no idea...but if it happens.

Their best option for gaining access is probably being ranked in the top 6 in the nation.   Which is not very likely to happen.  I don't think the BYU administration wants to compete financially with the Alabamas and Clemsons of college football.   You'll see Liberty throw tons more money at their football than you will ever see BYU.

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12 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

I have no idea...but if it happens.

Their best option for gaining access is probably being ranked in the top 6 in the nation.   Which is not very likely to happen.  I don't think the BYU administration wants to compete financially with the Alabamas and Clemsons of college football.   You'll see Liberty throw tons more money at their football than you will ever see BYU.

Liberty spent $16 Mill on football last full fiscal year. BYU $21 mill. 

No worries. You’ve never been good with numbers. You’d be surprised where BYU ranks on expenses on Football and basketball. Clearly BYU has football as a priority.

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1 minute ago, utenation said:

Liberty spent $16 Mill on football last full fiscal year. BYU $21 mill. 

No worries. You’ve never been good with numbers. You’d be surprised where BYU ranks on expenses on Football and basketball. Clearly BYU has football as a priority.

The Alabama and Clemsons of the world have 100 million more in revenue coming in each year.

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13 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

The Alabama and Clemsons of the world have 100 million more in revenue coming in each year.

Yep.

There are only about 10 football programs that matter with respect to the Playoffs, and huge budgets.

Then you'll see schools that are independently wealthy throw money at their schools---Notre Dame.

Liberty will be one very soon (just recently moved up to FBS)

 

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11 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

The Alabama and Clemsons of the world have 100 million more in revenue coming in each year.

There’s about 10-15 blue bloods that spend a lot more than everyone else. After that, the gap isn’t as big. 
 

My point is, BYU stays competitive in football. They have a lot more in common with middle of the pack to lower P5 schools than say  Liberty. 

Hell, just a few years ago, clowns like Stunner were running around bragging about their own tv trucks and networks. And saying the MWC was beneath BYU. 

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5 minutes ago, utenation said:

There’s about 10-15 blue bloods that spend a lot more than everyone else. After that, the gap isn’t as big. 
 

My point is, BYU stays competitive in football. They have a lot more in common with middle of the pack to lower P5 schools than say  Liberty. 

Hell, just a few years ago, clowns like Stunner were running around bragging about their own tv trucks and networks. And saying the MWC was beneath BYU. 

Don't tell lies---I have never said that the MWC was beneath BYU, I called for BYU to schedule every MWC in existence.   We need more BYU vs MWC scheduling deals. 

Only thing I said was beneath BYU and UTAH were lowly Salt Lake Community College guys, trying to latch on our BYU vs UTAH rivalry.

 

Guys like you----who attended Salt Lake Community College----and pretending like you understand our Rivalry.   You will never understand it, since you didn't attend either school. 

Stick with your own school, and the schools that play your alma mater:  SLCC

 

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19 minutes ago, utenation said:

Liberty spent $16 Mill on football last full fiscal year. BYU $21 mill. 

No worries. You’ve never been good with numbers. You’d be surprised where BYU ranks on expenses on Football and basketball. Clearly BYU has football as a priority.

Please...  SLCC guy, move on. 

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22 minutes ago, utenation said:

There’s about 10-15 blue bloods that spend a lot more than everyone else. After that, the gap isn’t as big. 
 

My point is, BYU stays competitive in football. They have a lot more in common with middle of the pack to lower P5 schools than say  Liberty. 

Hell, just a few years ago, clowns like Stunner were running around bragging about their own tv trucks and networks. And saying the MWC was beneath BYU. 

Lil’ Natty.....first time I’ve ever seen you post that BYU and Utah have “a a lot more in common...”. You okay?

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19 minutes ago, utenation said:

There’s about 10-15 blue bloods that spend a lot more than everyone else. After that, the gap isn’t as big. 
 

My point is, BYU stays competitive in football. They have a lot more in common with middle of the pack to lower P5 schools than say  Liberty. 

Hell, just a few years ago, clowns like Stunner were running around bragging about their own tv trucks and networks. And saying the MWC was beneath BYU. 

From everything I've investigated, the MWC IS beneath BYU. Their revenues dwarf anything in the MWC (right now), and their combined attendance numbers for both football and basketball are better than almost every Pac 12 team.   

Only SDSU has a chance of catching them wrt overall revenues but only if you include non-allocated funds (and they are already on par wrt basketball attendance), but forget about football attendance.
 

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38 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

From everything I've investigated, the MWC IS beneath BYU. Their revenues dwarf anything in the MWC (right now), and their combined attendance numbers for both football and basketball are better than almost every Pac 12 team.   

Only SDSU has a chance of catching them wrt overall revenues but only if you include non-allocated funds (and they are already on par wrt basketball attendance), but forget about football attendance.
 

BYU will schedule the MWC moving forward.

Games against SDSU, USU and Boise are very challenging.

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11 hours ago, Old_Sparty1857 said:

Yes there is, I’m sure the Pac12 gets better ratings than SDSU in San Diego. I’m sure both USC and UCLA get better TV ratings in San Diego than SDSU, at least for football. 
 

Now your attendance levels are good that you don’t have the Pac12 right in your yard, but TV is a different critter. I read something crazy one time that Oregon was actually the most popular athletic program in the Bay Area. That’s just wrong. 

You are incorrect on the football tv ratings in SD county.  When on comparable networks at the same time SDSU football games have had almost 2x the viewers in SD county as the PAC.  Case in point is the MWC championship game in 2015 against Air Force that was broadcast on ESPN2 (and played in SD) had 2x the viewers in SD county as the USC v Stanford championship game played at the same time on ESPN.

That said, SDSU, UNLV or anyone else in the MWC isn't going to the Pac unless the conference losses schools.

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1 hour ago, Wolverine said:

Lil’ Natty.....first time I’ve ever seen you post that BYU and Utah have “a a lot more in common...”. You okay?

Depends on the audience.  We all know BYU does their best to keep up with their daddy.. We also know what happens to BYU when they play a real schedule. Last year they got lucky.  We should expect another 7-8 win season this year and another ass whipping from Utah..  I applaud BYU for trying to put on a big boy diaper but their talent level gets exposed every time they play big boy ball. 

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13 hours ago, Old_Sparty1857 said:

Unfortunately I saw many of them as I was working in SF today. Really hoping SF gets back on track soon. Covid has done a number on the place. 

Haha. I don't know. I think it's demise is kind of exaggerated. It all depends on what part of town you're in. Some areas are doing great right now (Mission, North Beach, Haight-Ashbury, the Marina), whereas others are suffering (FiDi/Downtown, SoMA, Chinatown). Very uneven in the "recovery", to be sure, but it'll survive.

What part of town were you in? The FiDi/Downtown/Mid-Market looks like a refugee camp in most places. I'll give you that.

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The WAC still has their offices at the same place in Englewood, CO even if there are no full time members within the state.  The Pac-12 moving its offices to Vegas does not mean UNLV will be part of the Pac-12 anytime soon.

If you look at the history of some college football teams after a NFL team moved into the same city, it's not good.  In that case, I'd not bet on UNLV being good in football anytime soon.

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3 hours ago, utenation said:

Depends on the audience.  We all know BYU does their best to keep up with their daddy.. We also know what happens to BYU when they play a real schedule. Last year they got lucky.  We should expect another 7-8 win season this year and another ass whipping from Utah..  I applaud BYU for trying to put on a big boy diaper but their talent level gets exposed every time they play big boy ball. 

8 wins next season, sans bowl game, would be a very successful season IMO all things considered. 

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On 5/13/2021 at 11:35 AM, utenation said:

No tell me smart guy. It’s a legit question.  How does this benefit UNLV?

How does it benefit UNLV? It means move the f*ck over Utah, UNLV is coming to PAC-12 town!

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They're moving PAC-12 HQ to Las Vegas. UNLV is getting JUICED IN. It's a done deal. Marcus Arroyo and Phil Knight are chatting it up as we speak.

This is gonna be so epic for our community. Total game changer. UNLV was always meant to surpass you filthy peasant MWC schools. 

Destiny is upon us!

 

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17 hours ago, Rebels18 said:

They're moving PAC-12 HQ to Las Vegas. UNLV is getting JUICED IN. It's a done deal. Marcus Arroyo and Phil Knight are chatting it up as we speak.

This is gonna be so epic for our community. Total game changer. UNLV was always meant to surpass you filthy peasant MWC schools. 

Destiny is upon us!

 

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