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This is interesting. Mayor of Oakland said that the A's have only gotten permission from Manfred to talk to Las Vegas, but baseball could expand that to six more cities, including Portland, Vancouver and Montreal, if the council meeting on July 20 doesn't go well.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/athletics/athletics-relocation-search-could-expand-six-other-cities-oakland-mayor-says

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Six? That's a bit heavy. I think 32 is the best, 16 teams each league, eliminate consistent Interleague play.

AL East: Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles

AL North: Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Twins.

AL Central: Rockies, Royals, Rangers, and Astros. 

AL West: Angels, A's (Vegas or otherwise), Portland Expansion, Mariners. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays move to the N.L, while the Rockies move to the A.L. in order to create a fair travel balance for all teams. Additionally, the Rockies make more sense in the A.L. due to the high altitude. The addition of Portland to the A.L. West allows for natural rivalries to take place in all divisions.

NL East: Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Montreal Expansion. 

NL North: Reds, Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals.

NL South: Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins.

NL West: Diamondbacks, Padres, Dodgers, Giants. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays come over from the A.L., while the Rockies move to the N.L. Washington and Atlanta move from the East to the South, allowing Montreal’s expansion team to take their place in the East. This preserves the historic rivalries in the N.L. Central and brings back the rivalry between the Phillies and the Pirates.

Playoffs: Six teams from each league would make it, the four division winners and two wild card teams. The two wild card teams would play the bottom two division winners in a three game series, with the winners moving on to play the top two division winners in the League Division Series.

The longest distances to travel are Denver to Houston, which isn’t much different from Denver to LA but is much less than Denver to San Francisco, and Washington DC to Miami, which they already do as it is, so overall the travelling is much less than presently constituted.

 

/realignment post.

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1 hour ago, Jersey Rebels said:

Six? That's a bit heavy. I think 32 is the best, 16 teams each league, eliminate consistent Interleague play.

AL East: Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles

AL North: Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Twins.

AL Central: Rockies, Royals, Rangers, and Astros. 

AL West: Angels, A's (Vegas or otherwise), Portland Expansion, Mariners. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays move to the N.L, while the Rockies move to the A.L. in order to create a fair travel balance for all teams. Additionally, the Rockies make more sense in the A.L. due to the high altitude. The addition of Portland to the A.L. West allows for natural rivalries to take place in all divisions.

NL East: Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Montreal Expansion. 

NL North: Reds, Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals.

NL South: Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins.

NL West: Diamondbacks, Padres, Dodgers, Giants. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays come over from the A.L., while the Rockies move to the N.L. Washington and Atlanta move from the East to the South, allowing Montreal’s expansion team to take their place in the East. This preserves the historic rivalries in the N.L. Central and brings back the rivalry between the Phillies and the Pirates.

Playoffs: Six teams from each league would make it, the four division winners and two wild card teams. The two wild card teams would play the bottom two division winners in a three game series, with the winners moving on to play the top two division winners in the League Division Series.

The longest distances to travel are Denver to Houston, which isn’t much different from Denver to LA but is much less than Denver to San Francisco, and Washington DC to Miami, which they already do as it is, so overall the travelling is much less than presently constituted.

 

/realignment post.

36 teams would be cool; could have four 9-team divisions. 

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On 7/14/2021 at 11:43 AM, NVGiant said:

It's too bad the Warriors owners, Lacob and Guber, weren't able to buy the A's a few years ago. They showed interest in the Howard Terminal site, too, and they would actually be able to pull it off. 

Long piece about John Fisher in the SF Chronicle  https://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/Who-is-John-Fisher-Inside-the-world-and-16315323.php 

The upshot is that the man is 60 years old and still trying to prove he can accomplish something to his dead father but was too cheap while the Don was alive.

Also, everyone but John Fisher thinks the A's should have rebuilt at the coliseum years ago; Lew Wolff tries really hard not to knock him for that but does so anyway.

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1 hour ago, Joe from WY said:

I've never understood why they're so anti-Coliseum location. It's central, it's got a BART stop and the whole area is ripe for redevelopment. Lots of cool old warehouses out around there and the like.

 

I agree. The Vegas folk bashing that area have never been there? Is there more money in other type of development? 

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23 hours ago, Jersey Rebels said:

Six? That's a bit heavy. I think 32 is the best, 16 teams each league, eliminate consistent Interleague play.

AL East: Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles

AL North: Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Twins.

AL Central: Rockies, Royals, Rangers, and Astros. 

AL West: Angels, A's (Vegas or otherwise), Portland Expansion, Mariners. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays move to the N.L, while the Rockies move to the A.L. in order to create a fair travel balance for all teams. Additionally, the Rockies make more sense in the A.L. due to the high altitude. The addition of Portland to the A.L. West allows for natural rivalries to take place in all divisions.

NL East: Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Montreal Expansion. 

NL North: Reds, Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals.

NL South: Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins.

NL West: Diamondbacks, Padres, Dodgers, Giants. 

Changes: Tampa Bay Rays come over from the A.L., while the Rockies move to the N.L. Washington and Atlanta move from the East to the South, allowing Montreal’s expansion team to take their place in the East. This preserves the historic rivalries in the N.L. Central and brings back the rivalry between the Phillies and the Pirates.

Playoffs: Six teams from each league would make it, the four division winners and two wild card teams. The two wild card teams would play the bottom two division winners in a three game series, with the winners moving on to play the top two division winners in the League Division Series.

The longest distances to travel are Denver to Houston, which isn’t much different from Denver to LA but is much less than Denver to San Francisco, and Washington DC to Miami, which they already do as it is, so overall the travelling is much less than presently constituted.W

/realignment post.

Well done, I could live with that alignment 

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ABC Bay Area 7 YouTube discussing the A's situation. They say there is a lot of posturing on both sides going on , the Oakland Mayor doesn't have the clout to force this thru, and the A's aren't interested in any new park in the current location off I-880. And who knows what hazardous stuff is in  the dirt if they start digging on the waterfront.

 

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On 7/14/2021 at 4:13 PM, Dogbreath90 said:

Sewer water can only help so much. The coliseum has backed up sewers... ick... but the Colorado river is running low, and Vegas will soon have to recycle even more sewer water for drinking purposes. Why does nobody seem to be paying attention?  Vegas and towns of the lower Colorado basin will soon be shedding people like crazy.  It’s completely unsustainable. Maybe another desalination station in the Pacific could help, but it will be a couple years too late. Get real people! Vegas is about over... The town is in its death throes and the people just can’t grasp it yet. Gotta wake up and move... maybe to the Bay Area. It was in the 60’s in SF yesterday.

If Vegas is drinking recycled sewer water so are California and Arizona on an even larger scale. Vegas' share of the Colorado is so much smaller than other states, that AZ and CA will have to massively curtail their use before it is anything noticeable to Vegas. Additionally the Southern Nevada Water Authority finished the third straw, so we have the lowest elevation pipe from Mead, so we would be able to take water from it long after the other states are unable to. All of AZ's agriculture and CA's Imperial Valley will dry up and go fallow before Vegas is impacted. If the current massive drought lasts another 20 yrs it will be cause for concern. Hopefully by then we will have other sources, such as desalinization (probably from Mexico) or massive water relocation projects from Canada or the Midwest. Vegas is far from being in any death throes.

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The Oakland City Council approved a non-binding financial term sheet for the Athletics' new stadium agreement in a critical vote on Tuesday. The city council voted 6-1 with one abstention to approve the term sheet, which was submitted by the A's and lays out the basic ballpark project fundamentals.

 

"Based on our extensive negotiations, shared values and shared vision, we believe the A's can and should agree to the terms approved by the City Council today," Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf, council president Nikki Fortunato Bas and vice mayor Rebecca Kaplan said in a joint statement.

 

A's president Dave Kaval said the team would not accept the sheet that had been amended to clarify the club would not be responsible for infrastructure costs involved in the building of a new ballpark. With the city council's approval of the sheet, the decision now rests in the A's hands.

 

The A's have been searching for a new stadium in Oakland, the city they've called home since 1968. The club has picked Howard Terminal, which sits along the Oakland Estuary, as its ideal site for a 35,000-seat baseball stadium.

 

Building a new stadium would cost at least $1 billion, according to the A's. They have promised to privately finance the ballpark and mixed-use development that includes housing units, retail space, commercial office space, public green spaces and more but requested public money for certain expenses.

 

Throughout the A's campaign for a new ballpark, the team and Major League Baseball have been at odds to make their stay in Oakland work. To add pressure to the situation, A's officials have visited Las Vegas multiple times and reportedly were scheduled to visit Portland in June, as they explore possible relocation cities.

 

This is a developing story. More to come.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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After reading the articles about the term sheet and vote, it won’t surprise me at all if the negotiations fall apart and the team ends up in Las Vegas.  The Oakland city government and the residents who testified at the hearing clearly want to have their cake and eat it too.

It’s not enough that the A’s are willing to privately fund a billion-dollar-plus stadium and throw in a few hundred million more for public benefits.  On top of that the city wants the club to guarantee that a portion of new residences developed next to the stadium will be affordable, and to finance a program to protect renters in surrounding areas from being displaced when real estate values rise.  Basically they expect the A’s to not only make a huge investment in downtown Oakland but also to buffer current residents from impacts of the inevitable gentrification that will follow.

Sorry but that’s not how it works.  Did the city of San Francisco require the Golden State Warriors to build affordable condos in Mission Bay as a condition of approving Chase Center?  Or the Giants to fund SoMa rental assistance programs as a condition of building Pac Bell (now Oracle) Park?  Those projects have drawn wealthy people into the surrounding neighborhoods and poorer people have been pushed out.  It’s unfortunate but that’s what usually happens when you redevelop an area to draw in new businesses, new residents and new money.  If the city of Oakland wants to prevent that displacement from happening on their turf that’s fine, but I think demanding that the A’s cover that expense on top of paying the full cost of the new stadium will kill the deal.

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32 minutes ago, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Vegas was just a pawn to get things moving in Oakland.  

You might be reading this entirely wrong. It kinda feels like Oakland isn't all that interested in bending over for the A's - which is may be what is required to keep them from taking a sweetheart deal in LV.

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31 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

What's the difference between the terms sheet the A's submitted and the term sheet approved by the city?

“The council’s version of a term sheet included one significant concession to the club – absolving the A's of $352 million in [offsite] infrastructure costs, which the council hoped it could generate by applying for federal and state development funds. But it asked the club to provide 35% affordable housing units among its planned development that actually dwarfs the ballpark itself in the scope of the deal.

“The council’s term sheet said the A’s would set aside 15% of onsite housing as affordable, while also requiring the club to establish a displacement prevention strategies fund and provide anti-displacement tenant services in the four neighborhoods affected by the project.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/billionaire-looting-city-locals-turn-210837015.html

 

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2 hours ago, HawaiiMongoose said:

“The council’s version of a term sheet included one significant concession to the club – absolving the A's of $352 million in [offsite] infrastructure costs, which the council hoped it could generate by applying for federal and state development funds. But it asked the club to provide 35% affordable housing units among its planned development that actually dwarfs the ballpark itself in the scope of the deal.

“The council’s term sheet said the A’s would set aside 15% of onsite housing as affordable, while also requiring the club to establish a displacement prevention strategies fund and provide anti-displacement tenant services in the four neighborhoods affected by the project.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/billionaire-looting-city-locals-turn-210837015.html

 

Seems like a "we invite you to leave" type of proposal. 

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