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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

I mean, unless you have read Crenshaw to Cummings and everything in between, which I have no intention of doing, and assume you have not as well,  you are not going to have a full complete grasp of CRT and all its interpretations. 

Seems you are naming your own reality here.  (not really, just wanted to drop that line.  I'm stoned.)

 

I don't know who Crenshaw or Cummings are. But I've read enough of it (and enough of the theories that did influence critical race thinkers) to say that:

* "short on logic but big on personal experience" is not really accurate. I'm sure there are pieces in the field that can be described this way, but you can say that about anything. 

* Saying it is derivative of Critical Theory is like saying that Algebra is derivative of math. Being part of something isn't really being derivative of it

* tying it so closely to legal studies is something seems to be something that people who want to talk about it but don't want to read it often do. I'm sure there is critical race theory that influences legal theory, but it would very exist without critical legal theory.  

* I mean, apart from me naming my own reality (which is what any good postmodernist would do, all the time), I am saying that people are naming their own realities as they throw the term around. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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6 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

No way man. If I said a cross word about dogs on twitter, that cesspool would make sure I couldn’t get a job cleaning septic tanks with my bare hands.

What a world we live in. F*ck 'em if they can't take a good joke.

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1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said:

I don't know who Crenshaw or Cummings are. But I've read enough of it (and enough of the theories that did influence critical race thinkers) to say that:

* "short on logic but big on personal experience" is not really accurate. I'm sure there are pieces in the field that can be described this way, but you can say that about anything. 

* Saying it is derivative of Critical Theory is like saying that Algebra is derivative of math. Being part of something isn't really being derivative of it

* tying it so closely to legal studies is something seems to be something that people who want to talk about it but don't want to read it often do. I'm sure there is critical race theory that influences legal theory, but it would very exist without critical legal theory.  

* I mean, apart from me naming my own reality (which is what any good postmodernist would do, all the time), I am saying that people are naming their own realities as they throw the term around. 

http://ftp.gac.edu/~lwren/AmericanIdentititesArt folder/AmericanIdentititesArt/WhitenessProperty.pdf

Worth a read.

 

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10 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yeah.  @smltwnrckr real talk, you and @youngredbullfan clearly have a more academic understanding than the rest of us here.  I for one am open to expanding my understanding if you are open to taking the time.

 

Honestly, I'm not really an expert. I've read some interesting stuff that would fall under the category, but most of the theory I am pretty well versed in is not what most would call CRT... the stuff I find most interesting is a lot of the stuff that influenced and is also critiqued by the people who are probably included in CRT or CRES. I just know that there are oversimplifications of it, in the same way that people like to oversimplify postmodernism in order to make some political point (on both sides).

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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5 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

I've read a few articles, an introduction to CRT by Delgado, and an article from Crenshaw but that's about the extent of the time I have invested into it.

 

You've invested more than most. I applaud you.

I think you have probably a better handle on the main ideas than most. But just like any other field of philosophy or social theory, it gets pretty complicated and diffuse pretty fast. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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@smltwnrckr

The reason CRT was tied to legal studies, is because the writings of the scholars that are key to CRT often look at it through a legal lense.  At least in the few articles I read, they were.  But again, I have admittedly only read those few.  If I get stoned enough, I may work up the gumption to read more.

Or I may just wait for YRF to post, not sure.

decisions decisions.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, happycamper said:

this is what I was getting at

Yeah, if you want to learn about what’s good and bad about conservatism, you let the conservatives on Fox News teach you. LOL. Oh, but it’s OK when you go to the far left to learn about how great socialism and CRT are. 

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7 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Honestly, I'm not really an expert. I've read some interesting stuff that would fall under the category, but most of the theory I am pretty well versed in is not what most would call CRT... the stuff I find most interesting is a lot of the stuff that influenced and is also critiqued by the people who are probably included in CRT or CRES. I just know that there are oversimplifications of it, in the same way that people like to oversimplify postmodernism in order to make some political point (on both sides).

For you my friend, one of the best things I have ever read on Reddit

"Waluigi is a man seen only in mirror images; lost in a hall of mirrors he is a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. You start with Mario – the wholesome all Italian plumbing superman, you reflect him to create Luigi – the same thing but slightly less. You invert Mario to create Wario – Mario turned septic and libertarian – then you reflect the inversion in the reflection: you create a being who can only exist in reference to others. Waluigi is the true nowhere man, without the other characters he reflects, inverts and parodies he has no reason to exist. Waluigi’s identity only comes from what and who he isn’t – without a wider frame of reference he is nothing. He is not his own man. In a world where our identities are shaped by our warped relationships to brands and commerce we are all Waluigi."

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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

@smltwnrckr

The reason CRT was tied to legal studies, is because the writings of the scholars that are key to CRT often look at it through a legal lense.  At least in the few articles I read, they were.  But again, I have admittedly only read those few.  If I get stoned enough, I may work up the gumption to read more.

Or I may just wait for YRF to post, not sure.

decisions decisions.

I think you're seeing the ties to legal studies because of the ties to the sources you're reading. A lot of people in anthropology, history, sociology social theory and postcolonial studies were writing about these ideas before and during the time when some of this was being inserted into legal discourses. A lawyer popularized the term intersectionality, but the foundational concept comes form the social sciences and humanities more than the law. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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13 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

I've read a few articles, an introduction to CRT by Delgado, and an article from Crenshaw but that's about the extent of the time I have invested into it.

 

If you really want to learn about what CRT really is, to start off it helps to read a few article for it and against it. Letting pro CRT folks tell you how great it is doesn’t teach you about what is really is. 

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1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said:

I think you're seeing the ties to legal studies because of the ties to the sources you're reading. A lot of people in anthropology, history, sociology social theory and postcolonial studies were writing about these ideas before and during the time when some of this was being inserted into legal discourses. A lawyer popularized the term intersectionality, but the foundational concept comes form the social sciences and humanities more than the law. 

Yeah, you've convinced me to read some more into it from different lenses when I get the time.

 

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1 minute ago, Nevada Convert said:

If you really want to learn about what CRT really is, to start off it helps to read a few article for it and against it. Letting pro CRT folks tell you how great it is doesn’t teach you about what is really is. 

I would suggest reading the material itself and not listening to people tell you about it if you wan to learn what it really is. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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5 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

For you my friend, one of the best things I have ever read on Reddit

"Waluigi is a man seen only in mirror images; lost in a hall of mirrors he is a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. You start with Mario – the wholesome all Italian plumbing superman, you reflect him to create Luigi – the same thing but slightly less. You invert Mario to create Wario – Mario turned septic and libertarian – then you reflect the inversion in the reflection: you create a being who can only exist in reference to others. Waluigi is the true nowhere man, without the other characters he reflects, inverts and parodies he has no reason to exist. Waluigi’s identity only comes from what and who he isn’t – without a wider frame of reference he is nothing. He is not his own man. In a world where our identities are shaped by our warped relationships to brands and commerce we are all Waluigi."

Somebody needs to punch themselves in the balls.

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3 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

If you really want to learn about what CRT really is, to start off it helps to read a few article for it and against it. Letting pro CRT folks tell you how great it is doesn’t teach you about what is really is. 

I'm capable of reading about theory from the material and forming my own conclusions, but thanks for the advice.

 

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Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

Hey @AztecSU

What if two people walk into my office at exactly the same time, one white, one black. Who do I help first? What does critical race theory say is the least racist thing to do?

Hey dumb dumb... you ask them both what they need, and then prioritize. 

Have you completely given up on logic in pursuit of idiocy?

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

Hey @AztecSU

What if two people walk into my office at exactly the same time, one white, one black. Who do I help first? What does critical race theory say is the least racist thing to do?

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4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

The Raibmon one looks fascinating AF.  Sucks it's so expensive, and out of stock.

Yea its pretty interesting. If you go under "used" paperback you can find cheap copies. 

https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Indians-Encounter-Late-Nineteenth-Century-Northwest/dp/0822335476/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1619638497&sr=8-1

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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