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NDSU Football Head Coach Matt Entz Wants To Join The Mountain West?

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51 minutes ago, Pelado said:

Trust me, Oregon is very popular in the Portland metro area.  If you don't believe/understand that, then that explains a lot about your posts in this thread.

 

I've heard of him and read some of his articles.  Nothing special.

Of course I understand that and that's a huge reason why Oregon's brand is so big. It's also because a lot of people outside of Eugene/Portland are fans too. 

NDSU a pretty big base in Minneapolis and around the region. 

My main point, is that a brand's value does not come from a simple local nielson tv search. A huge metric that I haven't seen you comment on is that NDSU's brand significance is demonstrated rather clearly with how much search traffic they get. 

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2 minutes ago, tenbobnote said:

Of course I understand that and that's a huge reason why Oregon's brand is so big. It's also because a lot of people outside of Eugene/Portland are fans too. 

NDSU a pretty big base in Minneapolis and around the region. 

My main point, is that a brand's value does not come from a simple local nielson tv search. A huge metric that I haven't seen you comment on is that NDSU's brand significance is demonstrated rather clearly with how much search traffic they get. 

My guess is that Oregon is much more popular in Portland than NDSU is in Minneapolis.

And, yes, there is definitely brand value outside of a team's metro area.  Notre Dame, for example, pulls lots of interest from all over the country, not just from South Bend to Chicago.

I agree with (I think) Jack who said earlier that NDSU in the MWC is a much different animal than as the top FCS team in the country. 

Let's assume for a moment that you're right in thinking that NDSU could compete for a MWC title right away.  Let's say they were in the MW for the 2021 season and were to lose in the conference championship game.  My guess is that search traffic for that would be significantly less than what they've seen in prior years as an undefeated FCS champion with a QB likely to be drafted in the first round of the draft.

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A crazy map of FBS football.  I do feel for NDSU from a geography standpoint.  If they want to go FBS, there are no regional options.

 

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1 hour ago, tenbobnote said:

Of course I understand that and that's a huge reason why Oregon's brand is so big. It's also because a lot of people outside of Eugene/Portland are fans too. 

NDSU a pretty big base in Minneapolis and around the region. 

My main point, is that a brand's value does not come from a simple local nielson tv search. A huge metric that I haven't seen you comment on is that NDSU's brand significance is demonstrated rather clearly with how much search traffic they get. 

You guys should stay where you are.  It's better for NDSU to be a big fish in a small pond.  The instant you move to D1, you will lose whatever relevance you have. 

Also, there is simply no way the MW invites you to join.  We aren't interested in adding and we have better options should that change.  

 

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2 hours ago, tenbobnote said:

Of course I understand that and that's a huge reason why Oregon's brand is so big. It's also because a lot of people outside of Eugene/Portland are fans too. 

NDSU a pretty big base in Minneapolis and around the region. 

My main point, is that a brand's value does not come from a simple local nielson tv search. A huge metric that I haven't seen you comment on is that NDSU's brand significance is demonstrated rather clearly with how much search traffic they get. 

You keep repeating this crap and it's simply not true. 

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22 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

You keep repeating this crap and it's simply not true. 

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Hey quit bringing real info on here.  We deal with personal impressions to make decisions like conference membership.  Geez.

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12 hours ago, lakesbison said:

NDSU has 2 NCAA Tournament basketball wins in last 7 years and 5 appearances.

NDSU track teams are both ranked in TOP 25

NDSU baseball team is top 10 in midwest right now

NDSU Softball has gone to NCAA's 11 straight and has 5 NCAA tourney wins

NDSU wrestling is a top 25 program.

 

I think NDSU could do all sports mountain west.

Sounds like you all are doing well just where you are.  Why move? If you bring your baseball and softball teams out to Californian you are gonna get run. 

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On 4/16/2021 at 8:28 AM, RSF said:

Guess Stunner doesnt realize that NDSU isnt in the west.  Its directly north of Dallas.

More like directly north of Houston. It’s on the Minnesota border. 

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8 hours ago, nvspuds said:

13 does nothing for the MW..If Boise or SDSU leave your school does not replace what they bring money wise at all..You get interest during the FCS playoffs because there are fewer FBS games to air but during the season the bulk of the casual fans are looking elsewhere..The MW is a nice regional conference that people out here like..I don't know anybody in the region who looks to NSDU as can't miss tv..

I agree. Nobody in CA is watching NDSU football.  I doubt most even know it exists. 

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4 hours ago, tenbobnote said:

Of course I understand that and that's a huge reason why Oregon's brand is so big. It's also because a lot of people outside of Eugene/Portland are fans too. 

NDSU a pretty big base in Minneapolis and around the region. 

My main point, is that a brand's value does not come from a simple local nielson tv search. A huge metric that I haven't seen you comment on is that NDSU's brand significance is demonstrated rather clearly with how much search traffic they get. 

If you guys have a following in Minneapolis, why are you trying to join the MWC? Join the MAC which would actually care about the Minneapolis TV market.  Nobody in the MWC cares about the Minneapolis TV market. 

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9 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

You keep repeating this crap and it's simply not true. 

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You didn't do that correctly. You used the "search term" (under NDSU) and not the topic of the football team (like you did with SDSU).

Look below the NDSU search, it needs to say "football team" otherwise it's not going to be apples to apples. 

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6 hours ago, Old_Sparty1857 said:

If you guys have a following in Minneapolis, why are you trying to join the MWC? Join the MAC which would actually care about the Minneapolis TV market.  Nobody in the MWC cares about the Minneapolis TV market. 

I don't know where I heard this but I was under the impression the MWC has been wanting a central time slot for a while. Can have more of the day filled with MW teams on game day that way.

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3 hours ago, tenbobnote said:

I don't know where I heard this but I was under the impression the MWC has been wanting a central time slot for a while. Can have more of the day filled with MW teams on game day that way.

You are absolutely correct, but the chatter has been Texas.

North Texas is the main competition for Bisons Athletics.

North Texas has an amazing stadium surrounded by 4 fishing ponds.  What about North Dakota State?

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Wouldn't adding one of the South Dakota schools make more sense than North Dakota State? 

Closer geography to the MWC.  Warmer climate down South.

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6 hours ago, #1Stunner said:

You are absolutely correct, but the chatter has been Texas.

North Texas is the main competition for Bisons Athletics.

North Texas has an amazing stadium surrounded by 4 fishing ponds.  What about North Dakota State?

I can understand the temptation to want to go to Texas but they're so flooded with football teams, UNT is hardly a program down there.

NDSU is a better choice over UNT financially and from a national brand perspective.

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FINANCIAL:
2019 Ticket Sales (huge metric for determining the health of a program)
NDSU: 3.78m
UNT: 1.47m  <-- nobody cares about North Texas football in Texas

2019 Contributions (football only)
NDSU: 1.51m
UNT: .84m

Overall football revenue
NDSU: 6m
UNT: 5.57m 
(1 million is UNT guarantees, something NDSU can't get because no one will play them as long as their FCS)

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BRAND:

NDSU is twice as popular nationally as UNT:


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21 hours ago, tenbobnote said:

One can't know how popular a team is based on metro areas. Dallas has a million college teams, how do you know the market share of a team? It's not by looking at Neilson data. 
Again, I point you to this: 

 

 

Pointing to it again doesnt make it true.

And yes, Neilsen data does matter.  Ask TCU and the Big 12.  Its why they added us, because FOX and ESPN liked the numbers.  

 

And NDSU is not a national brand.  Not even close.

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4 minutes ago, RSF said:

Pointing to it again doesnt make it true.

And yes, Neilsen data does matter.  Ask TCU and the Big 12.  Its why they added us, because FOX and ESPN liked the numbers.  

I haven't heard a better explanation on this than Matt Brown in this interview. It seems like a nuanced issue. He explains why Rutgers makes sense for the Big 10 (when this matters) but access to markets doesn't matter as much to the MW as drawing raw numbers (something NDSU can do).

Start listening at 24:30 for ~3min
https://www.inforum.com/entertainment/podcasts/6843243-McFeely-Mess-podcast-More-FCS-conference-realignment-coming-Augustana-to-the-WAC-NDSU-to-the-MWC-Its-all-on-the-table-in-this-podcast

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Just now, tenbobnote said:

I haven't heard a better explanation on this than Matt Brown in this interview. It seems like a nuanced issue. He explains why Rutgers makes sense for the Big 10 (local numbers matter) but access to markets doesn't matter as much to the MW as drawing raw numbers (something NDSU can do).

Start listening at 24:30 for ~3min
https://www.inforum.com/entertainment/podcasts/6843243-McFeely-Mess-podcast-More-FCS-conference-realignment-coming-Augustana-to-the-WAC-NDSU-to-the-MWC-Its-all-on-the-table-in-this-podcast

Better explanation doesnt make it a good explanation.  The Big 10 added Rutgers not for the ratings but BTN subs.  A completely different subject.  And NDSU doesnt bring numbers of any significance.

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