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22 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

WCC Net Rankings:

Gonzaga - 1

BYU - 20

St Mary’s- 62

LMU - 99

USF - 105

Pepperdine - 110

Pacific - 131

Santa Clara - 144

San Diego - 250

Portland - 327


MWC Net Rankings:

SDSU - 18

USU - 39

BSU - 50

CSU - 51

Nevada - 96

Wyoming - 162

UNLV - 179

FSU - 191

UNM - 302

AFA - 319

SJSU - 332

Data doesn’t support the delusional claim that the MWC is better than the WCC in the middle or bottom - certainly not the bottom when almost 1/3 of the MWC is ranked in the 300’s.  Which conference’s bottom half looks more like the Big West again @slappy?  😂 

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

Most here dont want Gonzaga to join.  Basketball only is a non starter for the MW.  And Byu could not manage the votes needed to be invoted either.  No need to debate it.

I am glad you enjoy the wcc over the MW.  I do believe that league fits your program better.  Gonzaga will do whats best for their program.   

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20 minutes ago, slappy said:

Most here dont want Gonzaga to join.  Basketball only is a non starter for the MW.  And Byu could not manage the votes needed to be invoted either.  No need to debate it.

I am glad you enjoy the wcc over the MW.  I do believe that league fits your program better.  Gonzaga will do whats best for their program.   

Sour grapes.  Gonzaga told the MWC “thanks but no thanks”.  To act like posters here wouldn’t be thrilled if Gonzaga shockingly decided to join this lesser conference is more evidence of your delusion.  Again, go look at conference rankings the last 5 years.  Guess which conference consistently ranked higher?  LOL at this notion that the MWC is anything superior to the WCC.  If you really want to be surprised go look at what programs spend on basketball top to bottom.  The WCC is investing in its product and has been on a steady upward trend.  The MWC has been trending downward and NCAA tournament credits around here are drying up faster than yer mom’s vagina.

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4 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

Sour grapes.  Gonzaga told the MWC “thanks but no thanks”.  To act like posters here wouldn’t be thrilled if Gonzaga shockingly decided to join this lesser conference is more evidence of your delusion.  Again, go look at conference rankings the last 5 years.  Guess which conference consistently ranked higher?  LOL at this notion that the MWC is anything superior to the WCC.  If you really want to be surprised go look at what programs spend on basketball top to bottom.  The WCC is investing in its product and has been on a steady upward trend.  The MWC has been trending downward and NCAA tournament credits are drying up faster than yer mom’s vagina.

I think he just broke the yBu honor code.  
 

Potty Mouth!

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I dunno @NorCalCoug, the Big West + Pepperdine and LMU toughened UCSB up.  Certainly looked better in the Tourney than BYU, SDSU or USU did.

And yes, I'm aware we all went one and done.  

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3 hours ago, NorCalCoug said:

Who?

 

BYwho, SDSU, USU...

and us.  Sadly, we were the most prepared team of the quartet in the NCAAs.  And we lost too

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I concede that the MWC isn't currently much of a step up in competition to the WCC, but what would it do to the ratings of both conferences to simply put Gonzaga in the MWC. Just playing a school like  Gonzaga twice has quite an effect on ratings. The MWC's would look quite a bit better and the WCC would look quite a bit worse. This is not insignificant.

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1 hour ago, Bob said:

I concede that the MWC isn't currently much of a step up in competition to the WCC, but what would it do to the ratings of both conferences to simply put Gonzaga in the MWC. Just playing a school like  Gonzaga twice has quite an effect on ratings. The MWC's would look quite a bit better and the WCC would look quite a bit worse. This is not insignificant.

Thc problem with your statement is that most recently it is the MWC Schools petitioning for membership in the WCC.....not the other way around.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa/ncaaf/boise-state-football/boise-state-join-aac-football-group-of-five-mountain-west-conference-realignment/277-a7f8fccb-09aa-4d08-b88e-448b4ab6d308

Boise wants in the WCC.   They'd give their collective left nut to be in a conference with BYU, and the Pacific Northwest schools of Portland and Gonzaga.

 

Also @Bob, we now count you in the ranks of the BYU fans.... so in a way, you are a WCC guy as well. 

 
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Why hasn't the WCC expanded to the Denver Market?!?!

Well, because we are waiting on one of our two ACADEMICALLY ELITE candidates to step up to the plate.

 

That is

 

University of Denver @jdgaucho

or

School of Mines @OrediggerPoke

 

Both schools deliver the Denver Market.   Both schools deliver the State of Colorado.   Both schools have beautiful campuses.   Both schools are natural fits to the WCC.   Just wish that one of them would finally get it going in Hoops. 

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Just now, #1Stunner said:

Why hasn't the WCC expanded to the Denver Market?!?!

Well, because are waiting on one of our two ACADEMICALLY ELITE candidates to step up to the plate.

 

That is

 

University of Denver @jdgaucho

or

School of Mines @OrediggerPoke

 

Both schools deliver the Denver Market.   Both schools deliver the State of Colorado.   Both schools have beautiful campuses.   Both schools are natural fits to the WCC.   Just wish that one of them would finally get it going in Hoops. 

Are Denver and Mines religious schools?  I think Denver was at one time but not anymore.

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Just now, Aslowhiteguy said:

Are Denver and Mines religious schools?  I think Denver was at one time but not anymore.

The WCC does not require the school to be religious.... So far the only requirement is that they are a private school.

The most recent addition, Pacific, is not currently affiliated with a Church, but they are private.

 

DU is private.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver

School of Mines is Public, but religious (teaching their students to love / worship precious metals):  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_School_of_Mines

 

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I have to agree with the BYU fans here. The stats don't lie. While the MWC might not provide a tougher test for GU, from a selfish standpoint I would love to see the Zags compete here.. I think it would raise the bar a bit for the better programs here. 

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Denver is only a good coach away from emerging as a quality program.

Love Denver's basketball / hockey venue:

 

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18 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Why hasn't the WCC expanded to the Denver Market?!?!

Well, because we are waiting on one of our two ACADEMICALLY ELITE candidates to step up to the plate.

 

That is

 

University of Denver @jdgaucho

or

School of Mines @OrediggerPoke

 

Both schools deliver the Denver Market.   Both schools deliver the State of Colorado.   Both schools have beautiful campuses.   Both schools are natural fits to the WCC.   Just wish that one of them would finally get it going in Hoops. 

Colorado Mines delivers the Houston market probably more so than the Denver market.  And you must not have been following Mines in hoops, they've been one of the best in D2 hoops for a number of years (D2 'elite 8' this year and 8 consecutive D2 tournament appearances). Colorado Mines is already better in hoops than the vast majority of WCC teams.

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/03/23/colorado-school-of-mines-basketball-ncaa-elite-eight/

 

That said - they have zero fit in a religious private school league that would require substantial travel.  They have a great fit in the regional RMAC that keeps students in classes.  Every single Mines basketball player will have at least taken the following courses before graduation: Calculus 1, 2 and 3, differential equations, Chemistry 1 and 2, Physics 1 and 2.

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27 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Are Denver and Mines religious schools?  I think Denver was at one time but not anymore.

Neither are.

-Denver is an overpriced private school for the wealthy.

-Mines is a public school offering one of the toughest and most rigorous engineering undergraduate programs in the country. When I attended Mines, the acceptance rate was about 30% and the graduation rate for entering freshman was about 30%; plenty of smart folks that couldn't hack it.

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1 hour ago, Bob said:

I concede that the MWC isn't currently much of a step up in competition to the WCC, but what would it do to the ratings of both conferences to simply put Gonzaga in the MWC. Just playing a school like  Gonzaga twice has quite an effect on ratings. The MWC's would look quite a bit better and the WCC would look quite a bit worse. This is not insignificant.

Isn’t much?  LOL, it isn’t at all...  

What would it do if we put SDSU into the WCC?  See how stupid that sounds?

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18 minutes ago, OrediggerPoke said:

Colorado Mines delivers the Houston market probably more so than the Denver market.  And you must not have been following Mines in hoops, they've been one of the best in D2 hoops for a number of years (D2 'elite 8' this year and 8 consecutive D2 tournament appearances). Colorado Mines is already better in hoops than the vast majority of WCC teams.

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/03/23/colorado-school-of-mines-basketball-ncaa-elite-eight/

 

That said - they have zero fit in a religious private school league that would require substantial travel.  They have a great fit in the regional RMAC that keeps students in classes.  Every single Mines basketball player will have at least taken the following courses before graduation: Calculus 1, 2 and 3, differential equations, Chemistry 1 and 2, Physics 1 and 2.

Colorado School of Mines has a friend in BYU.   BYU will sponsor the School of Mines application if (when?) the School of Mines asks to join the WCC.  

Yes, the math classes are hard in the School of Mines.   But, there are tons of eggheads at all these schools.   It can be done!!!

 

Regarding Denver being a school for rich kids, that's what all of the WCC is (except for us poor BYU folk).   Ask @Joe from WY---Dons alums are the rich kids. 

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2 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

Isn’t much?  LOL, it isn’t at all...  

What would it do if we put SDSU into the WCC?  See how stupid that sounds?

Why is it stupid? Was Gonzaga not seriously considering joining the MWC? My point is that having an extreme (ly good) outlier school like Gonzaga in a conference like the WCC artificially props up their ratings.  If Gonzaga were in the MWC it would similarly elevate each MWC school's ratingsand likely to a higher degree, because the MWC has way more potential than the WCC. Gonzaga is literally the WCC

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1 minute ago, Bob said:

Why is it stupid? Was Gonzaga not seriously considering joining the MWC? My point is that having an extreme (ly good) outlier school like Gonzaga in a conference like the WCC artificially props up their ratings.  If Gonzaga were in the MWC it would similarly elevate each MWC school's ratingsand likely to a higher degree, because the MWC has way more potential than the WCC. Gonzaga is literally the WCC

Bob....don't hate on the WCC.   

We need your support!!!

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