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14 minutes ago, Bob said:

Why is it stupid? Was Gonzaga not seriously considering joining the MWC? My point is that having an extreme (ly good) outlier school like Gonzaga in a conference like the WCC artificially props up their ratings.  If Gonzaga were in the MWC it would similarly elevate each MWC school's ratingsand likely to a higher degree, because the MWC has way more potential than the WCC. Gonzaga is literally the WCC

Gonzaga is not here and they DECLINED the MWC and aren’t currently considering it.  So yes, it’s stupid.  SDSU is an outlier school in the MWC with somewhat similar impact.  The Net Ranking gap from #1 to #2 in the WCC is smaller than it is in the MWC this year so there goes that argument.  
 

Let’s evaluate the WCC including SDSU.  See, stupid.

 

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5 minutes ago, OrediggerPoke said:

There are not at Mines past freshman year.  It cannot be done at Mines. There is no 'communications' or 'theatre' degree to hide under at Mines.

If that's the case, I guess the focus for the WCC needs to be on adding Denver, and then heavily scheduling School of Mines to improve the NET rating of the WCC.

I wish there weren't so many rich bastards in the WCC (adding School of Mines would have evened things out), but when you have a conference of rich kid schools, what are you going to do?!?!

Alas.... BYU will remain the one "poor kid" school in the WCC.

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11 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

Gonzaga is not here and they DECLINED the MWC and aren’t currently considering it.  So yes, it’s stupid.  SDSU is an outlier school in the MWC with somewhat similar impact.  The Net Ranking gap from #1 to #2 in the WCC is smaller than it is in the MWC this year so there goes that argument.  
 

Let’s evaluate the WCC including SDSU.  See, stupid.

 

NorCal, if you can't see how playing road games against schools like San Jose St and UNLV would have prepared the Zags to handle a middling basketball program from Waco TX, then you really don't know much about college basketball.  It takes tough road games to build a championship level program and the Zags just can't get that level of competition in the lowly WCC. 

Educate yourself, man!  You're making a fool of yourself on this thread.  You should spend a day reading nothing but posts from Ph and 18.  Those guys have forgotten more about college basketball than you will ever know.  

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8 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

If that's the case, I guess the focus for the WCC needs to be on adding Denver, and then heavily scheduling School of Mines to improve the NET rating of the WCC.

I wish there weren't so many rich bastards in the WCC (adding School of Mines would have evened things out), but when you have a conference of rich kid schools, what are you going to do?!?!

Alas.... BYU will remain the one "poor kid" school in the WCC.

D2 teams don't figure into NET rating.  It would be terrible for the perception of any WCC team to schedule and most likely lose to Mines.

I do agree with you, Denver University is a natural fit with the WCC. DU even offers critical degrees for the barista workforce such as: Art History, Media Studies, Global Studies, Socio-Legal Studies,  Gender and Women's Studies, Performance, Studio Art, Pre-Art Conservation, Theatre, 

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1 minute ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

NorCal, if you can't see how playing road games against schools like San Jose St and UNLV would have prepared the Zags to handle a middling basketball program from Waco TX, then you really don't know much about college basketball.  It takes tough road games to build a championship level program and the Zags just can't get that level of competition in the lowly WCC. 

Educate yourself, man!  You're making a fool of yourself on this thread.  You should spend a day reading nothing but posts from Ph and 18.  Those guys have forgotten more about college basketball than you will ever know.  

UNLV?  LMAO!  It’s not 1990 anymore.  UNLV is no more difficult than Portland.  Zags get plenty of road trip testing in OOC.  They don’t need the MWC.

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32 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Regarding Denver being a school for rich kids, that's what all of the WCC is (except for us poor BYU folk).   Ask @Joe from WY---Dons alums are the rich kids. 

To be fair, undergrad wise at least, DU is largely a place for rich kids who like to ski who couldn't get in elsewhere.

USF is sort of along the same lines, except sub "like to ski" for "want to partake in the urban lifestyle of the world's great cities". Lots of money on the Hilltop, that's for sure. Lots of money. Though to be fair, the most depraved rich kid school in the area is St. Mary's. Good god that place was something else when I used to party there.

That said...USF, SMC, DU...all similar schools really, in many respects.

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1 minute ago, NorCalCoug said:

UNLV?  LMAO!  It’s not 1990 anymore.  UNLV is no more difficult than Portland.  Zags get plenty of road trip testing in OOC.  They don’t need the MWC.

But they do!   Gonzaga would have rolled the Bears if only they would have had some tough conference road games.  The fact that BYU beat SDSU & USU and the WCC has been ranked higher than the MW for the last 5 years or so does not matter in regards to preparing a team for March. 

Nothing can prepare a team for the post season like playing a road game in vegas.  The opposing players look up into the rafters and see those banners with their moth holes and it strikes fear into their hearts.  It's a character building experience that just can't be duplicated in the WCC.   It toughens them up for post season play. 

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Inconvenient data for some of you delusional folks...  below are the Net Rankings by conference standing for the two conferences...  WCC is better than the MWC EVERYWHERE except in the 3-5 standing range.  The Avg Net Ranking for the WCC is 124.9 and 158.1 for the MWC.  Most every conference ranking system the last several years has rated the WCC higher.  You all want to talk about the Gonzaga outlier?  The MWC has the same thing with SDSU.  The ranking gap between 1&2 is actually SMALLER in the WCC than it is here.  Gonzaga is exactly 1.25 standard deviations from the conference average while SDSU is 1.19 (fairly comparable).  Every talking point you all blindly regurgitate is utter nonsense.  No empirical case can be made to support the MWCBoard fairytale that the MWC is even better than the WCC let alone head and shoulders better.  There’s a reason Gonzaga wanted nothing to do with you guys after taking a closer look.  😂 

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4 hours ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

But they do!   Gonzaga would have rolled the Bears if only they would have had some tough conference road games.  The fact that BYU beat SDSU & USU and the WCC has been ranked higher than the MW for the last 5 years or so does not matter in regards to preparing a team for March. 

Nothing can prepare a team for the post season like playing a road game in vegas.  The opposing players look up into the rafters and see those banners with their moth holes and it strikes fear into their hearts.  It's a character building experience that just can't be duplicated in the WCC.   It toughens them up for post season play. 

There are 2 moth-holed banners waving in the USF gym...  twice as intimidating as the lone banner at UNLV.

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2 hours ago, NorCalCoug said:

Gonzaga is not here and they DECLINED the MWC and aren’t currently considering it.  So yes, it’s stupid.  SDSU is an outlier school in the MWC with somewhat similar impact.  The Net Ranking gap from #1 to #2 in the WCC is smaller than it is in the MWC this year so there goes that argument.  
 

Let’s evaluate the WCC including SDSU.  See, stupid.

 

lol I thought this thread was being argued under the assumption that Gonzaga should have joined the MWC. Thread title: Gonzaga Should Have Joined the MWC. The MWC would be light years better than the WCC if Gonzaga were in the MWC. As it stands now they are about equal. WCC would reveryt back to the utterly irrelevant church gym school league they were before Gonzaga became Gonzaga. Gonzaga should invest in themselves and join the MWC.

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34 minutes ago, Bob said:

lol I thought this thread was being argued under the assumption that Gonzaga should have joined the MWC. Thread title: Gonzaga Should Have Joined the MWC. The MWC would be light years better than the WCC if Gonzaga were in the MWC. As it stands now they are about equal. WCC would reveryt back to the utterly irrelevant church gym school league they were before Gonzaga became Gonzaga. Gonzaga should invest in themselves and join the MWC.

I'll be honest.   The Gonzaga fans have reminded me a lot of Wyoming Cowboys fans.

Same hair cuts.   Same woolen ponchos.   Same boots.  Same round canister of some substance in their back jeans pocket. 

Besides.  John Stockton would never allow Gonzaga to leave the WCC.   He loves BYU too much and wants Gonzaga and BYU in the same conference.

 

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35 minutes ago, Bob said:

lol I thought this thread was being argued under the assumption that Gonzaga should have joined the MWC. Thread title: Gonzaga Should Have Joined the MWC. The MWC would be light years better than the WCC if Gonzaga were in the MWC. As it stands now they are about equal. WCC would reveryt back to the utterly irrelevant church gym school league they were before Gonzaga became Gonzaga. Gonzaga should invest in themselves and join the MWC.

If we were making runs in the NCAA's, I'd agree with you.  As things stand right now, at best, it's a lateral move that would help the MW a lot more than it would benefit Gonzaga.   

IIRC, after flirting with the MW, Gonzaga got a better deal with the WCC.  That may have been their goal all along. 

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2 hours ago, utaggies said:

Ahhhhh, NCC, you may wish to consider that you are being played.

Hahaha yeah no kidding, Aslowhiteguy just pulled a Stunner on NCC.

 

You would've thought that referring to road games @SJSU preparing one for Baylor would've been the giveaway but he still took the bait.

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