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  1. 1. What is your status on the Covid - 19 vaccination?

    • I am fully vaccinated ( either 1 or 2 doses depending on vaccine )
    • I have received first shot of a two shot vaccine.
    • I have not been vaccinated, but plan to be when it is available for me.
    • I am not planning on being vaccinated.


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14 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

I know multiple BSN's with this view. 

As I have mentioned before, the anti-vaxxer crowd is a odd combination of college educated, upper middle class soccer moms and Alex Jones followers plus a significant head scratching percentage of doctors and others in the medical profession.

Not saying you are wrong here but do you have the published data on these demographics?  After a quick look. I found this. Not a huge sample size by any means. 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/which-us-demographics-are-more-likely-to-refuse-a-covid-19-vaccine

I'm just curious really.

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1 minute ago, utenation said:

Not saying you are wrong here but do you have the published data on these demographics?  After a quick look. I found this. Not a huge sample size by any means. 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/which-us-demographics-are-more-likely-to-refuse-a-covid-19-vaccine

I'm just curious really.

No, I just know a lot of them.  In fact, I was just visiting with two of them over the Easter weekend.  Both live in SoCal with their families in a US top 20 zip code with median home prices of $3MM, one was a BSN.  

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5 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

No, I just know a lot of them.  In fact, I was just visiting with two of them over the Easter weekend.  Both live in SoCal with their families in a US top 20 zip code with median home prices of $3MM, one was a BSN.  

In my personal group, 90% of the anti vaxxers are Trump supporters, and maybe 15% have an education past high school. Some make decent money. 

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1 hour ago, utenation said:

In my personal group, 90% of the anti vaxxers are Trump supporters, and maybe 15% have an education past high school. Some make decent money. 

When I speak of anti-vaxxers, I'm speaking of the full gamut of vaccines, including the flu. Maybe my information is a little bit out of date, but Marin county was one of the lowest rates of child vaccination as of a few years ago. This article in 2019, indicates there's been a lot of improvement. I'm glad for the improvement.

As for Bob's stance, if I were making the case for not getting vaccinated at this time, I would merely point to the paperwork received when I got my Pfizer covid vaccine. We are all 2nd phase guinea pigs, the vaccine has not gone through the same type of review as an approved vaccine.

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16 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

As for Bob's stance, if I were making the case for not getting vaccinated at this time, I would merely point to the paperwork received when I got my Pfizer covid vaccine. We are all 2nd phase guinea pigs, the vaccine has not gone through the same type of review as an approved vaccine.

 

We haven't had this type of pandemic for over 100 years, so I think the standards and expectations change as well.. How many lives could we have saved if this vaccine came out sooner? But it was in record time. I think it's early but the data is showing little to zero negative effects. Even a Cracker Jack Box has a disclaimer on it.

We simply didn't have the time to go through a normal extended approval process. As far as Bob, he's not smart enough to make the case you described. 

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Just now, utenation said:

We haven't had this type of pandemic for over 100 years, so I think the standards and expectations change as well.. How many lives could we have saved if this vaccine came out sooner? But it was in record time. I think it's early but the data is showing little to zero negative effects. Even a Cracker Jack Box has a disclaimer on it.

We simply didn't have the time to go through a normal extended approval process. As far as Bob, he's not smart enough to make the case you described. 

You have been absent from this form for a long time, we've hashed this out ad nauseam over the last year.

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30 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

 

As for Bob's stance, if I were making the case for not getting vaccinated at this time, I would merely point to the paperwork received when I got my Pfizer covid vaccine. We are all 2nd phase guinea pigs, the vaccine has not gone through the same type of review as an approved vaccine.

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This is actually incorrect. The vaccine went through all phases of drug approval but was fast tracked because of the pandemic by allowing different phases to be performed at the same time instead of one after another. 

Manufacturing started before phase 3 was completed allowing for much quicker administering of the vaccine.

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11 hours ago, Bob said:

You’re an idiot if you can’t see the endless negatives that have resulted from authoritarian efforts to control the virus (they were all futile anyway). But you hate freedom, so it’s not surprising

Endless negatives

Oh my, the world will never be the same. 

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41 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

Normal process vs fast tracked process example:

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Looking at your graph a 14 year process for the normal track seems archaic.  That sounds like a bunch of professors and doctors sitting around the bar sipping on martinis figuring out when they want to actually work on it. 
 
I’m not saying every approval should be a year because research is important but if anything the process has shown what we can accomplish when we kick some ass. 

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7 hours ago, utenation said:

Looking at your graph a 14 year process for the normal track seems archaic.  That sounds like a bunch of professors and doctors sitting around the bar sipping on martinis figuring out when they want to actually work on it. 
 
I’m not saying every approval should be a year because research is important but if anything the process has shown what we can accomplish when we kick some ass. 

Completely agree. I'm really hoping that the fda approval of the Covod vaccines show how much more efficient the system could be when approving other new drugs.

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9 hours ago, utenation said:

Looking at your graph a 14 year process for the normal track seems archaic.  That sounds like a bunch of professors and doctors sitting around the bar sipping on martinis figuring out when they want to actually work on it. 
 
I’m not saying every approval should be a year because research is important but if anything the process has shown what we can accomplish when we kick some ass. 

 

1 hour ago, Stealthlobo said:

Completely agree. I'm really hoping that the fda approval of the Covod vaccines show how much more efficient the system could be when approving other new drugs.

Given the data collection, analytics, and cloud sharing tools available today, researchers, clinicians, physicians, pharmas, research institutes, and regulators can all collaborate on drug development. This radically expedites the study startup/discovery to market distribution timeframe. Moving forward, drug development and pharmacovigilance will be faster and safer than ever before. I’m far more confident and comfortable in the efficacy and safety of these mRNA drugs than I am of the old polio vaccines, etc. 

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1 hour ago, BSUTOP25 said:

 

Given the data collection, analytics, and cloud sharing tools available today, researchers, clinicians, physicians, pharmas, research institutes, and regulators can all collaborate on drug development. This radically expedites the study startup/discovery to market distribution timeframe. Moving forward, drug development and pharmacovigilance will be faster and safer than ever before. I’m far more confident and comfortable in the efficacy and safety of these mRNA drugs than I am of the old polio vaccines, etc. 

Exactly. Today, the FDA still uses a very similar method to 70s/80s to test and approve a drug. We shouldn't be using such an archaic method anymore with all the advances in technology and research we've made.

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On 4/5/2021 at 8:01 PM, Bob said:

Not surprising that you didn’t get the point. 
 

Some really old, really sick people died and the world didn’t come to an end. 

did you ask your dad to suck start a shotgun so bob junior can go back to school?

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5 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

Exactly. Today, the FDA still uses a very similar method to 70s/80s to test and approve a drug. We shouldn't be using such an archaic method anymore with all the advances in technology and research we've made.

I love it when folks who have zero experience or clue with drug development feel they can have a valid take. 

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13 hours ago, Stealthlobo said:

This is actually incorrect. The vaccine went through all phases of drug approval but was fast tracked because of the pandemic by allowing different phases to be performed at the same time instead of one after another. 

Manufacturing started before phase 3 was completed allowing for much quicker administering of the vaccine.

Are you saying the Pfizer paperwork I received is incorrect?  Read the pictures of my Pfizer paperwork I received.  

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I just got my 2nd Pfizer stab.  They have some hot young ladies administering the injections at the community center in the hood. I'm too old and married to hit on them.

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5 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

I just got my 2nd Pfizer stab.  They have some hot young ladies administering the injections at the community center in the hood. I'm too old and married to hit on them.

Even if you weren't too old or married, hitting on young hot ladies while they're at work is generally not a recipe for success. 

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