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1 minute ago, grandjean87 said:

Probably not since I don’t think he has ever said the things the last guy said about certain types of countries or what type of people they “were sending”.  That’s a small slice of things tangential. 

I was speaking to this board.  Many here have considered the "it's a bad decision to make such a dangerous journey for minors" to be a failed argument.

 

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9 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

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Callate!  Pinche cara de culo estrenido.

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29 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

It is interesting.  Many have been saying that exact same thing and statistics back that up.  The journey here is statistically several times more dangerous in terms of death, rape and violence than living in the triangle, even the worst parts, is.  Now that Biden is saying it, I wonder if it will be considered a racist talking point lacking empathy.

 

could you provide a link to those statistics? I have a hard time believing that the lifetime risk of living in one of those nations is as bad as the single trip north.

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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26 minutes ago, happycamper said:

could you provide a link to those statistics? I have a hard time believing that the lifetime risk of living in one of those nations is as bad as the single trip north.

I think the statistics are true, if up to the point in their life when they start the journey they haven't suffered a violent or traumatic event. So, for some children and teenagers making the trek, it may be true. The adults leaving, taking their families or sending their kids; they likely have been victimized. Hence, why they are fleeing. In that regard, those statistics would be false.

I agree, a single journey does not put 'em in more danger than remaining in a dangerous area for a lifetime.

 

Edit: Conclusion- misleading stats.

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On 4/7/2021 at 6:26 PM, soupslam1 said:

Where are this boys mother and father? 

 

On 4/7/2021 at 10:31 PM, soupslam1 said:

Your child can be killed by gangs in the US. It happens all the time. They could die on the trek to the US. Would you send your kid alone for hundreds of miles with a bunch of coyotes? I’m just saying I flat wouldn’t do it. I would go with him before I would do that. 

 

On 4/9/2021 at 11:03 PM, soupslam1 said:

You never answered my question. Would you send your young kid alone with coyotes on a long trek to the US? 

Here's a primary source for you. Maybe this immigrant's story will help gain an understanding of why children are willing to take on the horrifying trek:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-young-migrant-asylum-crossing-border-unaccompanied-child/

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2 hours ago, happycamper said:

could you provide a link to those statistics? I have a hard time believing that the lifetime risk of living in one of those nations is as bad as the single trip north.

 

Some 80% of women will be raped on the journey.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972

Dying on the trip is of course hard to come with concrete numbers, but the bare minimum during these 4 years "The true number of people who have died while transiting through the region is not known, but records compiled by IOM’s Missing Migrants Project (MMP) indicate that at least 3,015 people lost their lives between 2014 and 2018 in the Central and Northern American region."

During those years an average of 265k migrated from the NT, with the majority but not all making the crossing in question. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-turbulent-northern-triangle

These are the rates of non active gang member homicide in the NT.  Note Guatemala does not have a high enough per 100k to make the list.
image.png.99e6b9a76180e18b48169d814aa20b0d.png
 

So unless you are an active gang member, it is several times safer to wait the few years for your asylum claim to process after being filed in the country of origin.

Life time is too hard to say, as homicide rates vary and change, see Guatemala whos homicide rate has been cut in half in 8 years and a young kid of say 13, male, could end up in a gang.  



Here's to hoping long term solutions work to improve conditions in the NT.  I think we can invest more than Biden has promised but it is a good start.

 


 @happycamperrebuilt my post.  My first one was a little longer with a another few links but after it got erased and left with nothing other than the "/" and graph that posted I did not have the energy to make this one as nice.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

Some 80% of women will be raped on the journey.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972

Dying on the trip is of course hard to come with concrete numbers, but the bare minimum during these 4 years "The true number of people who have died while transiting through the region is not known, but records compiled by IOM’s Missing Migrants Project (MMP) indicate that at least 3,015 people lost their lives between 2014 and 2018 in the Central and Northern American region."

During those years an average of 265k migrated from the NT, with the majority but not all making the crossing in question. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-turbulent-northern-triangle

These are the rates of non active gang member homicide in the NT.  Note Guatemala does not have a high enough rate to make the list.
image.png.99e6b9a76180e18b48169d814aa20b0d.png
 

So unless you are an active gang member, it is several times safer to wait the few years for your asylum claim to process after being filed in the country of origin.

Life time is too hard to say, as homicide rates vary and change, see Guatemala whos homicide rate has been cut in half in 8 years and a young kid of say 13, male, could end up in a gang.  



Here's to hoping long term solutions work to improve conditions in the NT.  I think we can invest more than Biden has promised but it is a good start.

 


 

 

Have not been paying attention to this thread...but this info makes me think a driving factor convincing people to come north is the "industry" around migration. By creating false information and hope, the industry helps drive folks to do something that is far more dangerous than they likely realize. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, AztecSU said:

Have not been paying attention to this thread...but this info makes me think a driving factor convincing people to come north is the "industry" around migration. By creating false information and hope, the industry helps drive folks to do something that is far more dangerous than they likely realize. 

 

You are absolutely correct.  Migration is big business for bad actors.  At about 12k per head there is a lot of incentive to promise the world and paint a false narrative.  

 

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2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

You are absolutely correct.  Migration is big business for bad actors.  At about 12k per head there is a lot of incentive to promise the world and paint a false narrative.  

 

Wish we would target these folks...they're scum.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, AztecSU said:

Wish we would target these folks...they're scum.

Agreed.  Biden's long term solution to improve conditions in the NT is probably the best.  I would like to see us go bigger.  Glad conditions at the border are improved/improving.  

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8 minutes ago, DoubleBlueGold said:

 

Didn't people on this board go head-over-heels for Bukele in El Salvador?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/el-salvador-and-court-packing-democrats-11620590901

Looks like he's another dictator.

Meanwhile in Colombia, they have had huge protests with many dead and missing after the government raised taxes, had a COVID UBI for the extreme poor that many think is too little, and also privatizing healthcare (during a pandemic).  Protestors are demanding a nationwide UBI equal to their minimum wage and a ban on glyphosate?

 

 

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50 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Didn't people on this board go head-over-heels for Bukele in El Salvador?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/el-salvador-and-court-packing-democrats-11620590901

Looks like he's another dictator.

Meanwhile in Colombia, they have had huge protests with many dead and missing after the government raised taxes, had a COVID UBI for the extreme poor that many think is too little, and also privatizing healthcare (during a pandemic).  Protestors are demanding a nationwide UBI equal to their minimum wage and a ban on glyphosate?

 

 

I don't know  if I showed it on this board, but I was optimistic when he became ES' President. What a complete let down.

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56 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Didn't people on this board go head-over-heels for Bukele in El Salvador?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/el-salvador-and-court-packing-democrats-11620590901

Looks like he's another dictator.

 

 

 

 

Reminds me of how Trump's claims of a rigged elections seemed to inspire the coup in Myanmar.

"If Democrats pack the U.S. Supreme Court, they will do irreparable damage to the institution. But the harm wouldn’t end there. President Biden’s commission to study the idea is already undermining U.S. moral authority on the rule of law and the separation of powers in Latin America."

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On 4/30/2021 at 2:54 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Agreed.  Biden's long term solution to improve conditions in the NT is probably the best.  I would like to see us go bigger.  Glad conditions at the border are improved/improving.  

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-data-shows-bidens-border-crisis-worsened-during-april-disaster-doesnt-even-begin-to-describe-it

On top of that Kamala made matters worse by walking out on a meeting with the Mexico president pissing him off. Forget any cooperation from our southern neighbors.

Granted this article is slanted right. If you listen to our MSM who Biden controls everything is much better. As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. 
 

https://cnsnews.com/commentary/tim-graham/team-bidens-rigid-control-press

 

 

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4 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-data-shows-bidens-border-crisis-worsened-during-april-disaster-doesnt-even-begin-to-describe-it

On top of that Kamala made matters worse by walking out on a meeting with the Mexico president pissing him off. Forget any cooperation from our southern neighbors.

Granted this article is slanted right. If you listen to our MSM who Biden controls everything is much better. As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. 
 

https://cnsnews.com/commentary/tim-graham/team-bidens-rigid-control-press

 

 

 

My biggest gripe was that children were being kept too long in inhumane and disgusting conditions, worse than during Trump by far.  That has improved, and we should celebrate it.  The rest will take a long time to fix.

 

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50 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

My biggest gripe was that children were being kept too long in inhumane and disgusting conditions, worse than during Trump by far.  That has improved, and we should celebrate it.  The rest will take a long time to fix.

 

Did you see the recent news article about 5 migrant girls seven and younger that were abandoned on some Texas guys ranch in the heat. One was a one year old. If the rancher hadn’t found them they would have died. Damn coyotes are worse scum than the cartel. In some cases they are probably one and the same.

https://abc7.com/migrants-children-abandoned-border-crossings-girls-patrol/10611505/

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1 hour ago, soupslam1 said:

Did you see the recent news article about 5 migrant girls seven and younger that were abandoned on some Texas guys ranch in the heat. One was a one year old. If the rancher hadn’t found them they would have died. Damn coyotes are worse scum than the cartel. In some cases they are probably one and the same.

https://abc7.com/migrants-children-abandoned-border-crossings-girls-patrol/10611505/

Horrible.  Human smuggling is big business and yeah, often linked with the cartels.   

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