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I remember the good old days when RebelRobert was posting about how a shiny new stadium would turn UNLV into a football juggernaut and a Pac 12 invite would come a year later. Those were fun threads. But, enough of that...let's get back to reality. The UNLV budget operates on a razor-thin budget on a good year (as do most MWC  G5 FBS  schools), but in this COVID world we live in and with the T&M getting fewer and fewer events, this is even more of a problem, so eliminating the cost of the manpower needed to reinstall the EZ seating is a smart move. They may re-evaluate if things change, but for now, this is the smart move. 

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27 minutes ago, Slapdad said:

I remember the good old days when RebelRobert was posting about how a shiny new stadium would turn UNLV into a football juggernaut and a Pac 12 invite would come a year later. Those were fun threads. But, enough of that...let's get back to reality. The UNLV budget operates on a razor-thin budget on a good year (as do most MWC  G5 FBS  schools), but in this COVID world we live in and with the T&M getting fewer and fewer events, this is even more of a problem, so eliminating the cost of the manpower needed to reinstall the EZ seating is a smart move. They may re-evaluate if things change, but for now, this is the smart move. 

lol dude you have no idea what UNLV's budget is. They're not brokedick like UNR. UNLV's actually doing better than most and is pretty flush to float them through rona' land with the $65 million multimedia deal they got (thanks to the stadium) and the $7 mill/yr for 10 years to offset Sam Boyd revenue. They're obviously missing gameday revenue, but that's everybody. If they didn't get that multimedia deal they would be absolutely f*cked though--so the stadium actually saved UNLV's ass. 

The changes in seating arrangements looks like some rona' compliance precaution because they tarped off all the best seats 360 degrees around the lower deck to distance fans from student athletes/coaches/staff, etc. We'll see how things improve by the time the 2021/22 season starts to see if they can push fans back up to the field. 

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On 1/15/2021 at 9:07 PM, #1Stunner said:

Nevada is honestly a moronic State.

They throw money to the PRIVATE OWNED Raiders with a tax payer funded Stadium.

But then they don't invest in UNLV or the Universities in Nevada....   Henderson builds a stupid AAA Hockey arena for a PRIVATE OWNED team..   Why aren't they investing in actual State owned things, like UNLV and UNR.??? 

 

On 1/15/2021 at 9:30 PM, #1Stunner said:

Instead, Nevada throws billions at an NFL stadium, millions at a hockey venue, and other dumb projects.   Always to benefit private companies and tourists, but not Nevadans..

 

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Nevada needs to spend more on the State----not the stupid pro teams.  Most Nevadans won't be attending 8 Raiders games per year.....

 

On 1/15/2021 at 9:46 PM, #1Stunner said:

But, I think the jury is out on if it was a great thing for Nevada to give BILLIONS to the Raiders.   For what?  8 home games per year?

 

You sure post a lot about how the State of Nevada spends state money but keep making up complete fabrications about the amounts and implying that the public funding is from the state.

The $750M of "public funding" for the stadium is from tax-exempt county municipal bonds that are being paid back by room taxes that are being collected by Clark County.  The politics behind the approval - which doesn't happen in Las Vegas without corporate casino backing - is that the hotel industry wanted the NFL and in particular eventually the Super Bowl.  The politicians hyped to locals that the cost was being passed to tourists and not to Nevadans.  The more complex politics of it is that getting the stadium diverted room tax funds away from expansion of the convention center, and that "diversion" is what an influential local billionaire wanted.

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2 minutes ago, BleedRebelRed said:

 

 

 

You sure post a lot about how the State of Nevada spends state money but keep making up complete fabrications about the amounts and implying that the public funding is from the state.

The $750M of "public funding" for the stadium is from tax-exempt county municipal bonds that are being paid back by room taxes that are being collected by Clark County.  The politics behind the approval - which doesn't happen in Las Vegas without corporate casino backing - is that the hotel industry wanted the NFL and in particular eventually the Super Bowl.  The politicians hyped to locals that the cost was being passed to tourists and not to Nevadans.  

Which result in a hotel room rate increase of $1.25 @#1Stunner ---even you can afford that, peasant!

But doesn't cost us Nevada taxpayers a single dime. 

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4 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

Which result in a hotel room rate increase of $1.25 @#1Stunner ---even you can afford that, peasant!

But doesn't cost us Nevada taxpayers a single dime. 

Friend,

We need to get UNLV athletics more funding.  Not just athletics, but the entire school.

I'm not sure why, but UNLV keeps getting saddled with incompetent leaders. 

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6 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

lol dude you have no idea what UNLV's budget is. They're not brokedick like UNR. UNLV's actually doing better than most and is pretty flush to float them through rona' land with the $65 million multimedia deal they got (thanks to the stadium) and the $7 mill/yr for 10 years to offset Sam Boyd revenue. They're obviously missing gameday revenue, but that's everybody. If they didn't get that multimedia deal they would be absolutely f*cked though--so the stadium actually saved UNLV's ass. 

The changes in seating arrangements looks like some rona' compliance precaution because they tarped off all the best seats 360 degrees around the lower deck to distance fans from student athletes/coaches/staff, etc. We'll see how things improve by the time the 2021/22 season starts to see if they can push fans back up to the field. 

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Every school is experiencing budget trouble after a COVID 2020 year. Boise State gave their baseball program the hook among other things and they're in a much better budget situation than UNLV. And UNLV made $1.7M in budget cuts, which amounts to 15% of their athletic budget, in May. That doesn't sound like a school that's flush with money to me. The only $65 million I've heard anything about is the reserve that the LV Stadium Authority holds...if there's a media deal worth $65M, I have a hard time believing that its a UNLV deal and not a Raider's deal. Those two are not one bucket...UNLV rents a stadium. If there's a deal that I'm unaware of that is a UNLV deal, then I'd love to see a link. At any rate, just the mere fact that they're electing not roll out the end zone seating suggests that they're doing so to save money, which suggests the UNLV AD is anything but flush with money. 

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39 minutes ago, BleedRebelRed said:

You sure post a lot about how the State of Nevada spends state money but keep making up complete fabrications about the amounts and implying that the public funding is from the state.

The $750M of "public funding" for the stadium is from tax-exempt county municipal bonds that are being paid back by room taxes that are being collected by Clark County. 

The politics behind the approval - which doesn't happen in Las Vegas without corporate casino backing - is that the hotel industry wanted the NFL and in particular eventually the Super Bowl.  The politicians hyped to locals that the cost was being passed to tourists and not to Nevadans.  The more complex politics of it is that getting the stadium diverted room tax funds away from expansion of the convention center, and that "diversion" is what an influential local billionaire wanted.

Your pretending that the Raiders Stadium isn't funded by Tax Revenues is completely disingenuous.   

Just because the Tax Revenues are from hotel rooms, doesn't mean that they are not public tax dollars.  

The "public funding" IS FROM THE STATE ----it is from bonds....that are being paid back from Tax Revenues---authorized by the State Legislature.   You said it yourself. 

Those room tax revenues could/should be given the Universities in Nevada.   UNLV deserves more than it is getting.   Why do room taxes need to go help Casinos and the Raiders?!?  I thought the Barons on the Strip are already Billionaires?

 

The Hotel Industry wanted the Super Bowl, so they called for Tax Dollars to fund the Raiders Stadium.

 

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2 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Friend,

We need to get UNLV athletics more funding.  Not just athletics, but the entire school.

I'm not sure why, but UNLV keeps getting saddled with incompetent leaders. 

I'm not sure it's fair to put this on UNLV leaders. The low level of funding for Nevada and UNLV is a function of the state of Nevada not collecting many taxes. The property taxes are among lowest in the country, there is no state income tax, the gold industry pays no taxes......in order for there to be more funding, there needs to be more funds. Nevada needs to increase their tax base.  

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6 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Your pretending that the Raiders Stadium isn't funded by Tax Revenues is completely disingenuous.   

Just because the Tax Revenues are from hotel rooms, doesn't mean that they are not public tax dollars.  

The "public funding" IS FROM THE STATE----it is from bonds....that are being paid back from Tax Revenues.

Those tax revenues should be given the Universities in Nevada.   UNLV deserves more than it is getting.

 

The Hotel Industry wanted the Super Bowl, so they called for Tax Dollars to fund the Raiders Stadium.

 

I'm not sure how things work where you're from, but in Nevada there is a difference between counting funding and state funding, and a difference in who decides how it is used.

I specifically mentioned that it's funded by room taxes - not sure why you say I pretend it's not funded by tax revenues.

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Just now, Slapdad said:

I'm not sure it's fair to put this on UNLV leaders. The low level of funding for Nevada and UNLV is a function of the state of Nevada not collecting many taxes.

The property taxes are among lowest in the country, there is no state income tax, the gold industry pays no taxes......in order for there to be more funding, there needs to be more funds. Nevada needs to increase their tax base.  

 

 Nevada does collect a lot of Taxes.  They collect a ton in tourism Taxes (other States have income taxes).

 

The disconnect seems to be that people care about the source of Taxes, and somehow defend the idea that Tourism Taxes (on Rooms) should only be earmarked to give back to Casinos / Tourism and Professional Sports (as opposed to funding in Higher Education).

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3 minutes ago, BleedRebelRed said:

I'm not sure how things work where you're from, but in Nevada there is a difference between counting funding and state funding, and a difference in who decides how it is used.

^^^ Thinks that Tourism Taxes are only earmarked for Tourism expenditures and Professional Sports.

^^^ Thinks that it is forbidden to collect room taxes, and use it for things like funding higher education.  

 

EDIT - Are you trying to say "County Funding" or "Counting Funding"?   I'm not clear on your point. 

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1 minute ago, #1Stunner said:

^^^ Thinks that Tourism Taxes are only earmarked for Tourism expenditures and Professional Sports.

^^^ Thinks that it is forbidden to collect room taxes, and use it for things like funding higher education.  

I also specifically mentioned that the tax revenue originally was intended for convention center expansion but was diverted to the stadium project, so I am aware that tax funds can be used for various things.  

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1 minute ago, BleedRebelRed said:

I also specifically mentioned that the tax revenue originally was intended for convention center expansion but was diverted to the stadium project, so I am aware that tax funds can be used for various things.  

... but funding higher education at state institutions is not what county taxes are for.  That would be a state tax.

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9 minutes ago, BleedRebelRed said:

I also specifically mentioned that the tax revenue originally was intended for convention center expansion but was diverted to the stadium project, so I am aware that tax funds can be used for various things.  

Convention Center

Stadium Project

(keep throwing tax dollars at Tourism, and not Higher Education).  Meanwhile, UNLV and UNR are woefully underfunded.

 

 

Also, not sure why you suggest it was only Clark County who made this deal happen, and not the State of Nevada:

https://abc7news.com/sports/nevada-gov-signs-bill-clearing-path-to-relocate-raiders-to-vegas/1559276/

 

 

Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval signed Senate Bill 1 and Assembly Bill 1 into law on Monday at the Richard Tam Alumni Center at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. The move clears another hurdle in possibly moving the Oakland Raider to Las Vegas.

The bill, which required a simple majority vote to pass, was approved in the Assembly on a 35-7 vote and in the Senate on a 21-0 vote.

Senate Bill 1, passed Friday after a week-long special session, calls for an increase in Clark County's hotel room tax to help finance a $1.9 billion, 65,000-seat domed stadium, clearing a path for the relocation of the Raiders to Vegas.

In addition to a $750 million public investment, terms of the stadium deal call for contributions of $650 million from the family of Las Vegas Sands Corp. Chairman Sheldon Adelson and $500 million from the Raiders.

The bill also includes a separate hotel room tax increase to help fund $1.4 billion in improvements to the Las Vegas Convention Center.

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Just now, BleedRebelRed said:

... but funding higher education at state institutions is not what county taxes are for.  That would be a state tax.

Who levied this Tax?

Clark County or the State of Nevada?

How did this Tax become law?

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9 minutes ago, Slapdad said:

Every school is experiencing budget trouble after a COVID 2020 year. Boise State gave their baseball program the hook among other things and they're in a much better budget situation than UNLV. And UNLV made $1.7M in budget cuts, which amounts to 15% of their athletic budget, in May. That doesn't sound like a school that's flush with money to me. The only $65 million I've heard anything about is the reserve that the LV Stadium Authority holds...if there's a media deal worth $65M, I have a hard time believing that its a UNLV deal and not a Raider's deal. Those two are not one bucket...UNLV rents a stadium. If there's a deal that I'm unaware of that is a UNLV deal, then I'd love to see a link. At any rate, just the mere fact that they're electing not roll out the end zone seating suggests that they're doing so to save money, which suggests the UNLV AD is anything but flush with money. 

No. The multimedia deal with Learfield IMG is with UNLV directly. It's a 10-year deal that allows them to manage UNLV's corporate partnerships, marketing, signage, television, radio, coaches shows, etc. https://www.learfield.com/partner/unlv-rebels/ -- It's the deal the allowed them to pony up the contracts for Arroyo and Otzelberger to make them the highest paid coaches in the MWC in football and basketball respectfully. Much more than UNR could ever afford. If UNLV is renting Allegiant, how come they don't have to pay rent?--can you explain what the lease agreement is? I know UNR plays in an absolute dump, and there's a lot of jealousy at play here, but UNLV is getting paid to play there ($7 mill per year to offset Sam Boyd secondary events) and the only expenses they incur are basic operating costs. Considering they would've never inked the fat multimedia deal w/ Learfield without Allegiant so UNLV is still coming out ahead here. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

 

 Nevada does collect a lot of Taxes.  They collect a ton in tourism Taxes (other States have income taxes).

 

The disconnect seems to be that people care about the source of Taxes, and somehow defend the idea that Tourism Taxes (on Rooms) should only be earmarked to give back to Casinos / Tourism and Professional Sports (as opposed to funding in Higher Education).

Nevada ranks 33rd in taxes collected even with those tourism-based taxes...and those are mostly special use taxes that are passed for specific uses and earmarked for those uses and not available for use at the state-level. 

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1 minute ago, Rebels18 said:

No. The multimedia deal with Learfield IMG is with UNLV directly. It's a 10-year deal that allows them to manage UNLV's corporate partnerships, marketing, signage, television, radio, coaches shows, etc. https://www.learfield.com/partner/unlv-rebels/ -- It's the deal the allowed them to pony up the contracts for Arroyo and Otzelberger to make them the highest paid coaches in the MWC in football and basketball respectfully. Much more than UNR could ever afford. If UNLV is renting Allegiant, how come they don't have to pay rent?--can you explain what the lease agreement is? I know UNR plays in an absolute dump, and there's a lot of jealousy at play here, but UNLV is getting paid to play there ($7 mill per year to offset Sam Boyd secondary events) and the only expenses they incur are basic operating costs. Considering they would've never inked the fat multimedia deal w/ Learfield without Allegiant so UNLV is still coming out ahead here. 

 

To be fair, UNR's stadium is a complete dump (they deserve better), but their Campus is like 10x nicer than UNLV's campus.

It is shocking just how bad UNLV's campus is.   

UNLV should be the 21st Century flagship and crown jewel University of the State of Nevada.   It should be to Nevada, what UCLA or CAL is to California.  But it looks terrible, and is a dump.

UNLV deserves a lot better than what it is getting. 

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7 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Who levied this Tax?

Clark County or the State of Nevada?

How did this Tax become law?

In Nevada, lodging taxes are set at the city/county level and may need approval by the state legislature.  But that does not give the state legislature the authority to dictate how city/county funds are spent.

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1 minute ago, Slapdad said:

Nevada ranks 33rd in taxes collected even with those tourism-based taxes...and those are mostly special use taxes that are passed for specific uses and earmarked for those uses and not available for use at the state-level. 

Nevada loves to pass special use taxes, earmarked to fund Professional Sports and Tourism projects (for the Billionaire Casino owners on the Strip). 

Oddly, they won't do a special use tax to help UNR and UNLV....  Really odd, considering that Nevada only has 2 Universities. 

 

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