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BSU & SDSU to the AAC???

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1 hour ago, 4UNLV said:

Nah, I'm sorry Stunner, she's a reb fan through and through. I taught her how to 'yank chains' so I just put her in her place that day. :D

And I now have her kids brainwashed. My grandkids love the 'rebel song', even my 8 mo old grandson squeals and claps when his 3 year old sister sings it to him. My granddaughter is missing the rebel house this year, for sure.

It's not too late to save your grandkids!!!  Hopefully they will befriend a local BYU fan amongst the kids in the neighborhood!!!

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1 hour ago, 818SUDSFan said:

I have to disagree.

The MWC HAD a ton of potential circa 2009 with its football Big Three of Utah, YBU and TCU and its improving basketball footprint with the two Utah schools, both of which went to the NCAAs that year, and SDSU, UNM and UNLV, all of which went to the NIT with SDSU getting to the semifinals of that tournament.

Now? Now the football Big Three are all long gone with only Boise State among backfills to be of close to equal quality (but inferior to what Utah and TCU then were) and UNM and UNLV basketball have fallen off albeit UNR and USU have been quality replacements.

Adding SJSU in 2002 was a horrific decision and remains the cherry on top of the shit pile which has been Craig Thompson's legacy since the only two smart decisions he actually ever made: adding TCU and creating The Mtn. as the very first conference network. Both decisions were made in 2006 and the fact that guy is still commissioner remains a blight on the landscape.

 

SJSU joined in 2013.

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2 hours ago, 818SUDSFan said:

I have to disagree.

Adding SJSU in 2002 was a horrific decision and remains the cherry on top of the shit pile which has been Craig Thompson's legacy since the only two smart decisions he actually ever made: adding TCU and creating The Mtn. as the very first conference network. Both decisions were made in 2006 and the fact that guy is still commissioner remains a blight on the landscape.

It's YOUR SCHOOL's FAULT SJSU is in the conference!  You guys were flirting with the AAC and the Presidents panicked and back filled you you with USU and SJSU.

You can't get pissy at their existence here when SDSU leaving is the reason for their invite.

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4 hours ago, RebelRobert said:

Since the late 1990's I talked about how if UNLV didn't build their own on-campus stadium immediately that we would end up stuck in a Municipal Monstrosity Nightmare Stadium that was too big for our program and under NFL control.  UNLV should have built an on-campus stadium in 1998/99 when John Robinson was named Head Football coach.  The momentum was in our favor to make it happen and Dr. Carol Harter (President) told me that money was not the issue, she just didn't want to do it.  Instead, UNLV watched as peer schools such as Utah and Louisville invested in On-Campus Football facilities which would take their programs to levels never dreamed about.  Both Utah and Louisville were mediocre Football programs throughout the 1980's and 1990's and arguably no better than UNLV during that time span.  UNLV should have built an On-Campus Stadium in 1999/2000 and we would be PAC-12 today instead of stuck in empty Raiders Stadium playing schools nobody ever heard of in front of 10,000 people.  Raiders won't even put up the endzone seats for UNLV Football games and just leave a warehouse feel in the endzone area where seating is supposed to go.  Won't be long until they refuse to open the concession stands and dim the lighting so they don't have as high a bill during games.  UNLV went from owners of our own facility to stepkids in a Municipal Monstrosity Nightmare Stadium.  I said it all along but nobody wants to listen to RebelRobert.

The MWC was an eight team conference: UNLV, SDSU, BYU, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming and Air Force.  We decided that expansion was in our best interests and I along with several other die hard fans made it clear that expansion should consist of HAWAII, Fresno, UNR and Boise to form a MWC-12.  Two divisions with West - UNLV, SDSU, Hawaii, Fresno, UNR and Boise and Mountain - Utah, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Air Force and Wyoming.  This was in our best long term interests as a conference to build stability and destroy our competition the WAC so that the MWC-12 and PAC-12 would be the only major players in the WEST.  The incompetent leadership decided that they knew better and took terrible TCU instead which KILLED the MWC.  That decision that day killed the conference.  Instead of a strong 12 team MWC with stability we became a MWC-9 that was ripe for the picking.  As we all know the Big-12 and PAC-12 eventually made their choices and the instability led to the loss of BYU.  If the MWC would have chosen correctly in that expansion process we never would have lost BYU, we would have only had to backfill with one team to get back to MWC-12 and we would have invited Utah State or UTEP to replace our only lost team Utah.

Poor choices by incompetent leadership who do not strategically plan for the long term killed the MWC years ago.  What is left today is a hodge podge of schools that don't fit, don't trust each other and have zero rivalry because of the poor choices made on that first MWC expansion.

The correct move to be made today is to start a new conference NOW:

UNLV (Las Vegas)

SDSU (San Diego)

BYU (Salt Lake)

Boise

Colorado State

New Mexico (Albuquerque)

Houston

SMU (Dallas)

Memphis

Cincinnati

Gonzaga (All Sports but Football)

 

9 Conference Football Games

20 Conference Basketball Games

Football and Basketball Championships in Las Vegas at Allegiant Stadium and MGM Grand

This conference is better than the Big-12 and PAC-12.  TV (Netflix, Hulu, YoutubeTV, Amazon, ESPN, Fox) would be interested in this.

If you are going to dream of some conference that never has a chance of coming to fruition and just want to talk sports,  why not just pick the cream of the crop from the P12?  UNLV is a heck of a lot closer to USC and UCLA.  Just take the top half of the P12 and magically put them with UNLV and a few other MWC schools.  Yeah neither will ever happen, but at least you dream about schools out west.  A conference with UNM and Cincinnati,  that's just never going to happen.  And let's say for the sake of argument that some really powerful people got together behind closed doors to put together a best of G5 football conference.  Why would that include UNLV and UNM, but not UCF for example.  Inquiring minds want to know.

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1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

It's not too late to save your grandkids!!!  Hopefully they will befriend a local BYU fan amongst the kids in the neighborhood!!!

I think she will befriend any kid in the neighborhood. Especially if they shoot hoops.

Or let her be Elsa.

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41 minutes ago, alum93 said:

If you are going to dream of some conference that never has a chance of coming to fruition and just want to talk sports,  why not just pick the cream of the crop from the P12?  UNLV is a heck of a lot closer to USC and UCLA.  Just take the top half of the P12 and magically put them with UNLV and a few other MWC schools.  Yeah neither will ever happen, but at least you dream about schools out west.  A conference with UNM and Cincinnati,  that's just never going to happen.  And let's say for the sake of argument that some really powerful people got together behind closed doors to put together a best of G5 football conference.  Why would that include UNLV and UNM, but not UCF for example.  Inquiring minds want to know.

cause we are inviting them, they are not inviting us ahole.

The power lies out west, they are lucky to get an invite.

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1 hour ago, WAC_FAN said:

It's YOUR SCHOOL's FAULT SJSU is in the conference!  You guys were flirting with the AAC and the Presidents panicked and back filled you you with USU and SJSU.

You can't get pissy at their existence here when SDSU leaving is the reason for their invite.

 

For the last 50+ years wherever the Aztecs have gone, SJSU has ended up right with them.  

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54 minutes ago, RebelRobert said:

cause we are inviting them, they are not inviting us ahole.

The power lies out west, they are lucky to get an invite.

Nah, those schools would never go to the MWC for any reason.   So dream still doesn't make any sense, but dreaming about west coast schools that will never join is probably more entertaining.  And any "best of G5 football conference" is going to choose schools that are actually traditional winning football programs.  Not that there is a chance of that happening, but if it did for discussion sake...

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1 hour ago, WAC_FAN said:

It's YOUR SCHOOL's FAULT SJSU is in the conference!  You guys were flirting with the AAC and the Presidents panicked and back filled you you with USU and SJSU.

You can't get pissy at their existence here when SDSU leaving is the reason for their invite.

So it's SDSU's fault the idiots running the MWC panicked?

In 2012, the MWC only needed 8 football playing members to meet NCAA requirements and by adding Fresno, UNR and Hawaii that year it had 10 football playing members. Therefore, had SDSU and Boise left, the MWC would still have had the minimum number. I understood adding one more school because the MWC was at its best in 2006-2011 when it had 9 members because having only 8 previously made basketball scheduling difficult. So although adding USU made some sense, adding both USU and SJSU did not.

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5 minutes ago, alum93 said:

Nah, those schools would never go to the MWC for any reason.   So dream still doesn't make any sense, but dreaming about west coast schools that will never join is probably more entertaining.  And any "best of G5 football conference" is going to choose schools that are actually traditional winning football programs.  Not that there is a chance of that happening, but if it did for discussion sake...

The conference that I listed is the conference that should be built today by UNLV, SDSU and BYU.  Without a doubt it would be better than the PAC-12 and Big-12.  It has better cities, better matchups and would be a great conference.

In this world you can either be a leader or a follower.  You can invite people or can sit around and wait to be invited.  UNLV is not going to AAC or whatever it is called and we turned them down before.  We can build a better conference ourselves, why would we join with all that dead weight?

This is the conference that should be built today:

UNLV

SDSU

BYU

Boise

Colorado State

New Mexico

Houston

SMU

Cincy

Memphis

Gonzaga (All Sports but Football)

 

That conference kicks ass.  Just need BYU and ESPN to want to do it.

 

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Robert, right now, your school basically has zero leverage with regard to conference composition. Yeah Clark county has a relatively large population and Sin City is a great place to hold a conference hoops tournament. However, not only does your football program continue to be the worst in the MWC, your basketball team should be renamed the UNLV Potentials.

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Just now, Ibanez said:

With the Raiders and Knights they are even farther down the shitter. No one cares about UNLV football.

I sense that the biggest problem is with their alumni. SDSU has a bit of a problem in that our administration mismanaged football for a decade during which we got a new arena built and the basketball team improved dramatically. So a large number of the Gucci Row folks aim their donations at hoops. Nevertheless, football still matters to a lot of them. UNLV, as you say, appears to be a university whose wealthy alumni hardly know football exists.

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9 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Robert, right now, your school basically has zero leverage with regard to conference composition. Yeah Clark county has a relatively large population and Sin City is a great place to hold a conference hoops tournament. However, not only does your football program continue to be the worst in the MWC, your basketball team should be renamed the UNLV Potentials.

Expansion should not be based on this years results or last years results or the last ten years results.  Expansion decisions should be based on what is best for the next 50 to 100 YEARS!  Not what looks good for the next two or three weeks?

UNLV and New Mexico are down, so what?  This is about the next 50 years!

Put the powerhouse schools together and watch them kick ass.  Some will win and some will lose.  Programs go through ups and downs unless you are one of the blue bloods which none of you lousy mother f'ers are!

You build the best conference you can.   It isn't about potential.  Its about proven commodities that belong together and make each other stronger.

UNLV, SDSU, BYU, Boise, Gonzaga, Colorado State and New Mexico.  DROP THE DEAD WEIGHT.

Houston, SMU, Cincy, Memphis DROP THE DEAD WEIGHT!

Better than PAC-12 and Big-12.  Smarten up.  LONG TERM.

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15 hours ago, Koji Vu said:

Sounds like an NFL type schedule. Hard pass.

That's because it is an NFL type schedule.  The NFL is the most financially successful, most watched league in the world. Part of its success is conference rivalries and the way to build those is to play each other, a lot and have every one of those games be meaningful. The AAC , if it plans to be disruptive, needs to bring something different to the game of college football.  It needs to be a tournament that will hold and draw fan interest.  If you're in Philly and a Temple fan, knowing the outcome of a game between Boise and SDSU, late at night, late in the season will effect your team's seed, home/away fate in the semi finals, opponent or even if you end up division champs or 2nd place chumps, you'll tune in and watch.

It also has the advantage of limiting travel. Additionally, the schedules for 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams will not be set in the final 2 weeks, allowing the league and its TV partners to determine the most appealing match ups, that will enhance bowl prospects or rankings.

Basketball needs to get to 20 teams and effectively split into two leagues; east and west.  AAC West would be all of the FB schools plus a Gonzaga and a St.Louis or other competitive schools, AAC East would be all FB schools minus Navy+ Wichita, a VCU( example)+another.  Each "League"would  play an 18 game balanced schedule and a conference tournament.  This would minimize travel.   A scheduling priority agreement between the east and west "AAC's" that would facilitate favorable, competitive "non-conference" games ( Zags/ Memphis, for instance). A "challenge"  could also be in the cards.

AAC West BB

Boise

BYU

Gonzaga

SDSU

UNLV

Houston

SMU

Tulsa

St. Louis

Colorado State

That's a pretty damn good conference

 

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

-Richard Feynman

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."

-P.J. O’Rourke

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9 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

That's because it is an NFL type schedule.  The NFL is the most financially successful, most watched league in the world. Part of its success is conference rivalries and the way to build those is to play each other, a lot and have every one of those games be meaningful. The AAC , if it plans to be disruptive, needs to bring something different to the game of college football.  It needs to be a tournament that will hold and draw fan interest.  If you're in Philly and a Temple fan, knowing the outcome of a game between Boise and SDSU, late at night, late in the season will effect your team's seed, home/away fate in the semi finals, opponent or even if you end up division champs or 2nd place chumps, you'll tune in and watch.

It also has the advantage of limiting travel. Additionally, the schedules for 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams will not be set in the final 2 weeks, allowing the league and its TV partners to determine the most appealing match ups, that will enhance bowl prospects or rankings.

Basketball needs to get to 20 teams and effectively split into two leagues; east and west.  AAC West would be all of the FB schools plus a Gonzaga and a St.Louis or other competitive schools, AAC East would be all FB schools minus Navy+ Wichita, a VCU( example)+another.  Each "League"would  play an 18 game balanced schedule and a conference tournament.  This would minimize travel.   A scheduling priority agreement between the east and west "AAC's" that would facilitate favorable, competitive "non-conference" games ( Zags/ Memphis, for instance). A "challenge"  could also be in the cards.

AAC West BB

Boise

BYU

Gonzaga

SDSU

UNLV

Houston

SMU

Tulsa

St. Louis

Colorado State

That's a pretty damn good conference

 

So two separate conferences, both named AAC?

We could also have a MWC and an AAC, and they could play each other sometimes.

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7 minutes ago, Koji Vu said:

LOL.

I still like my plan

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

-Richard Feynman

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."

-P.J. O’Rourke

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