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Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It already has.

Without Federalism, you don't have a country.  Period.

Maybe then, not now. We can move to popular vote for president just like we do for every governor as the country will be fine. All the real power of the purse will still be in congress and the senate will continue to act as the firewall against majority wielding too much power. 

 

 

 

 

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As a Stormer of the Capitol, I was impressed with how organized Nancy Pilosi's office was.

Can somebody bail me out of jail now?

Anyone? Trump? Cruz? Hawley? Anyone?

I like golf! Well, miniature. 

 

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Just now, AztecSU said:

Maybe then, not now. We can move to popular vote for president just like we do for every governor as the country will be fine. All the real power of the purse will still be in congress and the senate will continue to act as the firewall against majority wielding too much power. 

No, we would not be fine if campaigns were run solely on the issues important to the largest 20 cities.

 

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Just now, AztecSU said:

Maybe then, not now. We can move to popular vote for president just like we do for every governor as the country will be fine. All the real power of the purse will still be in congress and the senate will continue to act as the firewall against majority wielding too much power. 

You know it's very interesting to me that a 1st term Republican prez hasn't won the pop vote since the 80's but you havent seen leftist storm any capitals screaming about taking their country back and willing to kill. I think the right can handle popular vote selecting our leader. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No, we would not be fine if campaigns were run solely on the issues important to the largest 20 cities.

 

The way it is now there is excessive attention to handful of states and swing districts/counties....how is that any different? 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, AztecSU said:

The way it is now there is excessive attention to handful of states and swing districts/counties....how is that any different? 

Because of the diversity of those swing states and counties.  

When a key to winning an election is to appeal to dairy farmers and frackers Wisconsin and Pennsylvania while also trying to win black voters in Atlanta and Hispanics in Arizona, the diversity of interests of people is better served.

This is not hard, man.

 

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2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I mean people fleeing California have  turned Nevada and Arizona blue.

Just to be clear, you two are arguing to end Federalism, correct?

Exit polling in Texas showed that California transplants handed Ted Cruz the win over Beto in 2018. Exit polling is flawed, but the difference between transplants and native residents was stark

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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Because of the diversity of those swing states and counties.  

When a key to winning an election is to appeal to dairy farmers and frackers Wisconsin and Pennsylvania while also trying to win black voters in Atlanta and Hispanics in Arizona, the diversity of interests of people is better served.

This is not hard, man.

 

How in the hell would a popular vote change that, there isn't just diversity in the rust belt + Florida...it's in EVERY state. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Maji said:

Exit polling in Texas showed that California transplants handed Ted Cruz the win over Beto in 2018. Exit polling is flawed, but the difference between transplants and native residents was stark

Texas is not Arizona or Nevada.  Conservatives move to Texas from all liberal states.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Because of the diversity of those swing states and counties.  

When a key to winning an election is to appeal to dairy farmers and frackers Wisconsin and Pennsylvania while also trying to win black voters in Atlanta and Hispanics in Arizona, the diversity of interests of people is better served.

This is not hard, man.

 

We have exported a ton of things and ideas across the world, why do you think the electoral college hasn’t been one of them? You would have thought at least one country would have attempted to copy this super awesome way of electing their leaders. 

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3 minutes ago, AztecSU said:

How in the hell would a popular vote change that, there isn't just diversity in the rust belt + Florida...it's in EVERY state. 

Because politicians would run on a less diverse platform.  They would focus resources on the few big cities.  They would not pretend to care about dairy farmers, people who work in energy, agriculture.  They would focus time and money on the biggest cities, who generally have the same interests.


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6 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

We have exported a ton of things and ideas across the world, why do you think the electoral college hasn’t been one of them? You would have thought at least one country would have attempted to copy this super awesome way of electing their leaders. 

Of the 28 freest democracies in the world, only 5, just 5, rely on pure plurality of the vote.

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Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Of the 28 freest democracies in the world, only 5, just 5, rely on pure plurality of the vote.

Damn, that number is almost as small as the number of democracies that rely on an electoral college. 

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1 hour ago, UNLV2001 said:

 

 

It's a plausible scenario.  The TL;DR version is if Biden keeps stonewalling BLM and "progressives," pressure will eventually mount to impeach him.  They'll use his mental state as an excuse to invoke the 25th amendment.

I give that scenario roughly 15-20% odds of happening.  But if it does, the progressive 'rats' - I mean, Democrats - will lose everything as the American public won't stomach using impeachment twice against two presidents in the same year.  

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7 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Damn, that number is almost as small as the number of democracies that rely on an electoral college. 

Only two countries have states that also have similar levels of freedom, Germany and Australia.  Far less diverse countries than the US.  Maybe the EC should be adopted more often.  Would probably help Nigeria if politicians had to pretend to care about the states ravaged by Boko Haram.

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K, I get @halfmanhalfbronco's point loud and clear, but let's ask ourselves if the intended, original balance has shifted as the Presidency has gained more power over the years. Maybe it's out of whack and the small states and small towns now have a disproportionate amount of power now and we'd be better served in today's reality with another method of electing presidents. :shrug: 

 

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33 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Texas is not Arizona or Nevada.  Conservatives move to Texas from all liberal states.

Electoral trends are favorable for the Democrats there. Arizona is diverse and the urban & suburban population overwhelms the rural areas. California transplants might play a part in the transition, but it'll trend blue either way (until coalitions change)

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58 minutes ago, toonkee said:

K, I get @halfmanhalfbronco's point loud and clear, but let's ask ourselves if the intended, original balance has shifted as the Presidency has gained more power over the years. Maybe it's out of whack and the small states and small towns now have a disproportionate amount of power now and we'd be better served in today's reality with another method of electing presidents. :shrug: 

 

 

Or we work to give the Legislative branch its balls back?

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22 minutes ago, Maji said:

Electoral trends are favorable for the Democrats there. Arizona is diverse and the urban & suburban population overwhelms the rural areas. California transplants might play a part in the transition, but it'll trend blue either way (until coalitions change)

Think electoral trends are positive for Dems in TX, FL, GA going forward.............as the population ages and younger people leave, some rust belt states could become more red maybe

Basically age isn't on republicans side nore is the changing demographic makeup in many states .............but that also doesn't mean democrats are shoo-ins in coming years, the D's need to get their crap together & get a stronger overall message 

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