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2 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Meh.. I mean phukk those guys but suing the people at the bottom of the totem pole doesn’t do much for me. 

They're going after them as organizations, as they were both directly involved in a lot of the planning. 

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2 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

Yeah I get that.. To me it seems like arresting a kid for a dime bag while trying to fight the cartels. The people in charge don’t get touched. 

Think these "groups" have more involvement than most might guess - Plus they are spread all across the country 

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14 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Think these "groups" have more involvement than most might guess - Plus they are spread all across the country 

I guess just don’t see how suing them does much.  Who is in charge of the Proud Boys? They certainly don’t have the money to repay the damages. If the Proud Boys shut down they’ll just start another group. 

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8 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

I guess just don’t see how suing them does much.  Who is in charge of the Proud Boys? They certainly don’t have the money to repay the damages. If the Proud Boys shut down they’ll just start another group. 

Then why prosecute a single drug dealer, someone else will fill the void - :shrug:

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On 11/17/2021 at 11:45 AM, tailingpermit said:

I watched “Four Hours at the Capital,” the media did an amazing job documenting the whole thing.  These were all grade A jackasses that had me yelling out, please do us all a favor and just start shooting them!

One part that had me rolling was the “Proud Boy” in the electric Scooter, they hoisted him up to the top on the charge up the steps.  But then ditched him after everyone left, the capital police had to hoist him down.    

I watched it and legit laughed out loud at that scene. The part that got me so angry was the scene with all the rioters saying "this is our country, we will die for this country!" then the moment that Babbitt got shot, they instantly changed their tune. They walked out sobbing and crying saying they killed her. Yeah, no shit. What did they think would happen? 

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16 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Then why prosecute a single drug dealer, someone else will fill the void - :shrug:

You can find a drug crew's leader, they actually have a hierarchy and they give orders down the chain as part of crime org.  I don't know if they do, same goes for BLM.  Just seems like after Gavin left, it's just the loudest person with the megaphone, but alas, I am not too inquisitive on the inner workings of groups like those.

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31 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

I guess just don’t see how suing them does much.  Who is in charge of the Proud Boys? They certainly don’t have the money to repay the damages. If the Proud Boys shut down they’ll just start another group. 

This isn't my area of expertise so I'll defer to anyone for whom it is if they think I say something wrong here. Here goes.

First of all, you seem to be conflating civil liability with criminal culpability. Note that Harry Litman refers to CRIMINAL misconduct. "Damages" is a term which applies to civil law, not criminal law. Criminal law, of course, involves the possibility of both "restitution" and jail time and it's my recollection the RICO statute was enacted principally to shut down "criminal enterprises." If you're found to have violated not only a general criminal law but also RICO, there are "add-ons" for the latter misconduct.

At a minimum, if leaders of the Proud Boys go to prison, they'll have to defer starting another such group until they get out. Also, among the theoretical reasons for a criminal justice system is deterrence. Once those turds actually have to serve time behind bars, they might think twice about repeating their misconduct.

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16 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Then why prosecute a single drug dealer, someone else will fill the void - :shrug:

Exactly, and that’s why the drug war has always failed. People fill in the ranks. Disband the Proud Boys today, they’ll rebrand as Trumps Tards tomorrow. 
 

i could be wrong on this and probably am, but this just seems like the AG wants to do some grandstanding. Suing them is pointless they have no money. 

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1 minute ago, East Coast Aztec said:

You can find a drug crew's leader, they actually have a hierarchy and they give orders down the chain as part of crime org.  I don't know if they do, same goes for BLM.  Just seems like after Gavin left, it's just the loudest person with the megaphone, but alas, I am not too inquisitive on the inner workings of groups like those.

One or even a few prosecutions won't stop the matter at hand - Death sentences never stopped a murder - But maybe you get some scum off the streets & out of the pipeline 

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3 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

This isn't my area of expertise so I'll defer to anyone for whom it is if I say something wrong here. That said, here goes.

First of all, you seem to be conflating civil liability with criminal culpability. Note that Harry Litman refers to CRIMINAL misconduct. "Damages" is a term which applies to civil law, not criminal law. Criminal law, of course, involves the possibility of both "restitution" and jail time and it's my recollection the RICO statute was engaged principally to shut down "criminal enterprises." If you're found to have violated not only a general criminal law but also RICO, there are "add-ons" for the latter misconduct.

At a minimum, iff leaders of the Proud Boys go to prison, they'll have to defer starting another such group. Also, among the theoretical reasons for a criminal justice system is deterrence. Once those turds actually have to serve time behind bars, they might think twice about repeating their misconduct.

Ok, that makes more sense. I guess I shouldn’t have spoke when I didn’t have a clue how  all this works I thought it was strictly a monetary thing. My bad.

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Just now, IanforHeisman said:

Exactly, and that’s why the drug war has always failed. People fill in the ranks. Disband the Proud Boys today, they’ll rebrand as Trumps Tards tomorrow. 
 

i could be wrong on this and probably am, but this just seems like the AG wants to do some grandstanding. Suing them is pointless they have no money. 

Unless you dig & find the funding sources...........these guys are getting support from somewhere be it basic dues or some back channel flow 

Plus if these clowns are some former law enforcement & military, maybe when they get their public socialist pensions & benefits stipped away, it will make other reconsider ...........Plus if you rip the pensions away from some, that should save some states some $$ !!! Think of the fiscal wins !!! 

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