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50 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

I was thinking about this last night in my occasional inventory of whether these kinds of thoughts are a real concern or something more hysterical. And something was inescapable. The pandemic was a perfect opportunity to seize more power. And either because Trump is not what the left has feared or an absolute moron (the answer is both, clearly), he passed on any attempt of consolidation through emergency powers and went head long the other direction into denial.

His motivation is ego, not power. Which brings me to what we’ve learned over the last four years. 1) Trump’s greatest threat was always his sheer incompetence. 2) A leader with his character flaws coupled with even a touch of intelligence really could be a threat to our system. 3) For ordinary people, recognizing the threat in real time is really difficult.

 

I think this is true but also basically every other bench republican lacks an iota of trump's charisma.  Like people are scared of Tom Cotton but he's a dead-eyed weirdo.

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1 minute ago, Rofl_copter_dos said:

I think this is true but also basically every other bench republican lacks an iota of trump's charisma.  Like people are scared of Tom Cotton but he's a dead-eyed weirdo.

This is true also. 

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57 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

I was thinking about this last night in my occasional inventory of whether these kinds of thoughts are a real concern or something more hysterical. And something was inescapable. The pandemic was a perfect opportunity to seize more power. And either because Trump is not what the left has feared or an absolute moron (the answer is both, clearly), he passed on any attempt of consolidation through emergency powers and went head long the other direction into denial.

His motivation is ego, not power. Which brings me to what we’ve learned over the last four years. 1) Trump’s greatest threat was always his sheer incompetence. 2) A leader with his character flaws coupled with even a touch of intelligence really could be a threat to our system. 3) For ordinary people, recognizing the threat in real time is really difficult.

 

holy freaking crap i never realized this

this is really insightful

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41 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

Never saw the movie. (In fact, when I read your first line I thought you were referencing that crappy Mel Gibson movie from the 90s). I’m going to have to check that out. 

Pretty good one. And it’s less then 2 hours long too, which is nice. 

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8 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

This is true also. 

the thing is that trump as a motivating force for GOP voters won't go away until he's either dead or so invalid he can't participate in the electoral process in some fashion so until that happens every GOP elected official who isn't a full on fever swamp dweller basically has to dance to his every whim.  But most congressional republicans are losers who can barely carry a room and every time they try and ape him it just falls flat.

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Just now, Rofl_copter_dos said:

Cool, that's what trumpworld is saying in literal actual TV interviews right now.

Oh, well, yeah, that's not cool. I've turned off the news lately.. If electors from a state that voted for Biden were to vote Trump then that would break our democracy. BUT there's like a 0% chance of that happening.

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17 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

 

i've noodled on that a lot lately.  i grew up hearing it as folk prophecy and the people who seemed to be really animated by the idea of it were attracted to ideas, candidates, and... ahem...  working ideas that involve cooperation of a small cadre of powerful people who operate behind the scenes...  (yes that ought to be neutral enough but still descriptive...) that i found ... (oh boy i'm struggling here) unpalatable.

and now that it appears as though there's a real constitutional threat to legitimate elections and transition of power, probably the most american thing to have been invented in the history of government, what do we hear? certainly not a 'voice of gladness...'

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2 hours ago, 415hawaiiboy said:

It’s my opinion.  I don’t know everything about Turkey’s politics in the past 15 years but here’s what I know.  
 

- Erdogan won a very narrow majority (using the rural/urban political divide, and religious political bloc and ultra nationalism) to turn Turkey from mostly a secular leaning country to an Islamic Republic.  

- He used the term Deep State a lot and worked to dismantle the secular checks on power.  Starting with the Military which was a bastion of secularism since the days of Ataturk.  Later he purged the judiciary and government.  Eliminating checks on power. This happened over the course of 10 years.  I could have gone to Turkey in 2008 for a friend’s wedding and would have experienced something very different than in 2018.

- He was re-elected narrowly, and continued the reforms.  Changed the constitution.  Probably leader for life.  It was a slowish process.  Would have taken more than 4 years to do this; meaning, my point is a first term would be just the start and a second term would be a further acceleration (that we have not seen yet because of a pivotal November - a November to Remember).
 

That’s the reason for the analogy.  Anything in particular you disagree with?

Yeah, purged the judiciary for one. Trump’s legal embarrassments these past two weeks show he’s done a super job for a dictator there. Maybe those federalist society guys he’s been pumping through aren’t the dictator allowing types.

Not that that really matters. Authoritarian takeovers don’t happen in the law courts. Erdogan survived a failed coup. One with guns and fighter pilots, not sweaty, old, pathetic Giuliani ranting at a press conference.

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3 minutes ago, Bob said:

Oh, well, yeah, that's not cool. I've turned off the news lately.. If electors from a state that voted for Biden were to vote Trump then that would break our democracy. BUT there's like a 0% chance of that happening.

Trump has invited the Michigan state republican party leaders to the white house today to try to convince them to do exactly this. But it's Ok to continue to support the man/party that is trying to do this as long as it is unsuccessful. The fact he is attempting this doesn't matter? 

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1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Yeah, purged the judiciary for one. Trump’s legal embarrassments these past two weeks show he’s done a super job for a dictator there. Maybe those federalist society guys he’s been pumping through aren’t the dictator allowing types.

Not that that really matters. Authoritarian takeovers don’t happen in the law courts. Erdogan survived a failed coup. One with guns and fighter pilots, not sweaty, old, pathetic Giuliani ranting at a press conference.

I think inviting Michigan lawmakers to the WH in an attempt to subvert the election is deeply concerning, is it not?

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14 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Pretty good one. And it’s less then 2 hours long too, which is nice. 

Must be relatively old now, since filmmakers can't seem to make a movie under three hours anymore. Not great for a man of my limited attention span. 

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17 minutes ago, Rofl_copter_dos said:

the thing is that trump as a motivating force for GOP voters won't go away until he's either dead or so invalid he can't participate in the electoral process in some fashion so until that happens every GOP elected official who isn't a full on fever swamp dweller basically has to dance to his every whim.  But most congressional republicans are losers who can barely carry a room and every time they try and ape him it just falls flat.

You don't think Matt Gaetz is the charismatic leader that I fear can pull this off? Just kidding. He's a bigger dope than Trump.

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1 hour ago, NVGiant said:

The Nazis used lawyers and voters to gain power. (And before I get piled on, I’m not saying that would easily happen here, nor am I saying Trump is Hitler. Just pointing to historical fact.)

The Nazis were elected, but used a criminal, mafia like, arm that immediately became a secret police force to gain power. They used a Presidential decree to suspend rights, not lawyers, and their thugs to quickly take advantage by persecuting the opposition.

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1 minute ago, NVGiant said:

You don't think Matt Gaetz is the charismatic leader that I fear can pull this off? Just kidding. He's a bigger dope than Trump.

Yeah but being a dope clearly isn’t disqualifying.   If you have the faux propaganda machine behind you.   

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